How Hindutva agents have shattered their own dreams

[baajey]

Idea of India lol? Even the word India is not Indian origin. There were several kingdons in India. British colonized and united South Asia. There was no India or Bharat before.

In present India only the North Indians are considered real citizens. And everyone else is treated as 2nd class citizen. North Hindia is exploitint rest of India.

agree with the first para.
agree with the first sentence of the second para.
strongly disagree with the 2nd sentence of second para.
last sentence is just pure "kancha illaiah".

 

[BlackIndian]

agree with the first para.
agree with the first sentence of the second para.
strongly disagree with the 2nd sentence of second para.
last sentence is just pure "kancha illaiah".

Dear Sir, do you know how much money western and southern states give to the centre and how much less the centre gives back to them? Compare that to how less hindi belt gives and how much more the centre allocates to them.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[padamchen]

Good keep believing that.

Obviously because of the grand failures (esp demonetisation), UP election was resoundingly lost by BJP after all.

No improvement in highway building rate, no improvement in logistics and infra and not one reform was done anywhere....and cabinet level corruption has increased even more than UPA wow! (as if thats possible).

Look at the complete paralysis here:

http://indiareforms.csis.org/

Demonetisation was a massive grandiose failure because of news like this one:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...g-assessed-tax-chief/articleshow/58168075.cms

Just look at the scale BJP lost the UP elections because of how it affected the poor and marginalised and benefited the already rich immensely:

Not to mention the polarisation in play of the few that did vote for BJP, like these sangh ultra-hindu fanatics:

http://www.inuth.com/elections/utta...ing-partys-historic-victory-in-uttar-pradesh/

http://indianexpress.com/elections/...arty-bsp-bhartiya-janata-party-uttar-pradesh/

Just absolutely nothing has happened regarding electrification at all:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/asia/india-nasa-satellite-night-trnd/

The quality foreign investment has completely stagnated as well:

http://unctad.org/sections/dite_dir/docs/wir2016/wir16_fs_in_en.pdf

Complete stagnancy in sanitation:

http://sbm.gov.in/sbmdashboard/

These are just a few grandiose failures of Modi admin, you can get a much bigger complete picture in the India economy thread of course.

Keep playing on the cyber bytes from Canada bro.

I'm quickly giving up on you, as I've done on your brother expat sanghi Roybot.

but the idea of india is. cmon dude u have to gimme that.
on another note, dont you think pak is ahead of india by 35 years or so? their radicalization started in early 70s, our started in mid 2000s.
those jackasses beat us here too, n that too by a long margin.

The idea of India is at war with Hindutva.

I am no longer as sanguine as I used to be about either the idea of India or the innate secularity and tolerance of the Hindu.

A good idea needs to be fought for.

And over.

 

[baajey]

Dear Sir, do you know how much money western and southern states give to the centre and how much less the centre gives back to them? Compare that to how less hindi belt gives and how much more the centre allocates to them.

Ignorance is bliss.

well, tbh i neither have the time nor have the luxury of putting up a research paper on ur point. however, i do agree there are huge mismatches in earnings of our states.
i am even with when you said "actual indians" are the "cow belt" ppl who settled in the banks of ganga and some of those from MP and Gujarat and Rajasthan(i m not very sure here).
the rest are in the union because otherwise we wont have the 'clout' regionally (and off late, internationally) and any puny neighbouring country can bully us.
regarding the superiority the hindi speakers feel about their claim to indianness is natural as their are more hindi speakers than any other language. but i being a low caste bengali, married to an upper caste assamese, doesnt make me any less of an indian. "bhaiyyas" can think less of me, but it is up to me if i give a $hit.

 

[Nilgiri]

Keep playing on the cyber bytes from Canada bro.

I'm quickly giving up on you, as I've done on your brother expat sanghi Roybot.



The idea of India is at war with Hindutva.

I am no longer as sanguine as I used to be about either the idea of India or the innate secularity and tolerance of the Hindu.

A good idea needs to be fought for.

And over.

When you bring up something specific worth criticizing Modi on (say banking reform, NPA resolution policy, education policy and a good list of others) I will take some interest.

If its typical "absolutely zero good" and "100% bad" and "Modi losing grip on popularity and progress" yawn-bait with no specific analysis...I will give a reality check with links to the sources for all 3rd parties to explore and judge by themselves. They can then query, debate and conclude as required....as they did recently in India's biggest state.

If that response is something to give up on....well so be it. I have plenty of people that have not done so, who matter infinitely more to me in the first place.....both inside and outside India...that I base my perception upon to augment the numbers on the ground. If its in dissonance with yours, that is only natural....such a large country is not going to ever be homogeneous in any measure.

 

[padamchen]

Guys, the sanghi brigade will keep tomtoming UP.

Remember, UP is way behind the curve. They'll take anything, and get nothing, go nowhere.

Mayawati nor Yadavs nor BJP Yogis are going to be able to change anything.

But it's absurd to let that place poison the rest of the country.

What has been the background or achievements if those guys militarily down history?

Numbers don't count for anything.

I'll show you states a fraction of that size who will slaughter that populace in an open war.

 

[BlackIndian]

well, tbh i neither have the time nor have the luxury of putting up a research paper on ur point. however, i do agree there are huge mismatches in earnings of our states.
i am even with when you said "actual indians" are the "cow belt" ppl who settled in the banks of ganga and some of those from MP and Gujarat and Rajasthan(i m not very sure here).
the rest are in the union because otherwise we wont have the 'clout' regionally (and off late, internationally) and any puny neighbouring country can bully us.
regarding the superiority the hindi speakers feel about their claim to indianness is natural as their are more hindi speakers than any other language. but i being a low caste bengali, married to an upper caste assamese, doesnt make me any less of an indian. "bhaiyyas" can think less of me, but it is up to me if i give a $hit.

Thanks for your insights. But what you seem to be missing is that revenues of peninsular states are majorly financing the defense budget. I dont think if the peninsular India decides to form a seperate federation of autonomous states any country can bully it. The problems of India with Pakistan and China are doings of North Indians. Rest of Indians are not part of it.
Imagine if developed states used their revenue to develop their own states. They would end up first world in 10 years or so. But in present we feeding these useless bhaiyya trouble makers with our money.

 

[padamchen]

When you bring up something specific worth criticizing Modi on (say banking reform, NPA resolution policy, education policy and a good list of others) I will take some interest.

If its typical "absolutely zero good" and "100% bad" and "Modi losing grip on popularity and progress" yawn-bait with no specific analysis...I will give a reality check with links to the sources for all 3rd parties to explore and judge by themselves. They can then query, debate and conclude as required....as they did recently in India's biggest state.

If that response is something to give up on....well so be it. I have plenty of people that have not done so, who matter infinitely more to me in the first place.....both inside and outside India...that I base my perception upon to augment the numbers on the ground. If its in dissonance with yours, that is only natural....such a large country is not going to ever be homogeneous in any measure.

Bro, with all due respect. You are an armchair analyst, woefully out of touch with the ground realities of the country you come from.

Enough said from my side at least. You are free to continue.

 

[baajey]

@Nilgiri @Joe Shearer
A simple queston. Do you think we are on the same path (religious extremism) Pak took in early 70s ? ...and how does india differ from the Pak case, if it differs ?
Thanks in advance.

 

[danger007]

Good keep believing that.

Obviously because of the grand failures (esp demonetisation), UP election was resoundingly lost by BJP after all.

No improvement in highway building rate, no improvement in logistics and infra and not one reform was done anywhere....and cabinet level corruption has increased even more than UPA wow! (as if thats possible).

Look at the complete paralysis here:

http://indiareforms.csis.org/

Demonetisation was a massive grandiose failure because of news like this one:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...g-assessed-tax-chief/articleshow/58168075.cms

Just look at the scale BJP lost the UP elections because of how it affected the poor and marginalised and benefited the already rich immensely:

Not to mention the polarisation in play of the few that did vote for BJP, like these sangh ultra-hindu fanatics:

http://www.inuth.com/elections/utta...ing-partys-historic-victory-in-uttar-pradesh/

http://indianexpress.com/elections/...arty-bsp-bhartiya-janata-party-uttar-pradesh/

Just absolutely nothing has happened regarding electrification at all:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/asia/india-nasa-satellite-night-trnd/

The quality foreign investment has completely stagnated as well:

http://unctad.org/sections/dite_dir/docs/wir2016/wir16_fs_in_en.pdf

Complete stagnancy in sanitation:

http://sbm.gov.in/sbmdashboard/

These are just a few grandiose failures of Modi admin, you can get a much bigger complete picture in the India economy thread of course.

on the other side Train accidents increased. We need unity in diversity, not diversity in unity. Recently i witnessed Muslim youth being beaten for not saying Jai Shri Ram. such gangs roaming free across the Country. BJP following divide and rule policy. They get into power in UP and other states in the name of Beef, at the same time supporting beef in NE just for election. where is your moral ground. now a days people using patriotism tag just to attack others. you can't be patriot just by singing Vandematharam, but by keeping social order in place, causing no harm to the society..

 

[ranjeet]

Good keep believing that.

Obviously because of the grand failures (esp demonetisation), UP election was resoundingly lost by BJP after all.

No improvement in highway building rate, no improvement in logistics and infra and not one reform was done anywhere....and cabinet level corruption has increased even more than UPA wow! (as if thats possible).

Look at the complete paralysis here:

http://indiareforms.csis.org/

Demonetisation was a massive grandiose failure because of news like this one:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...g-assessed-tax-chief/articleshow/58168075.cms

Just look at the scale BJP lost the UP elections because of how it affected the poor and marginalised and benefited the already rich immensely:

Not to mention the polarisation in play of the few that did vote for BJP, like these sangh ultra-hindu fanatics:

http://www.inuth.com/elections/utta...ing-partys-historic-victory-in-uttar-pradesh/

http://indianexpress.com/elections/...arty-bsp-bhartiya-janata-party-uttar-pradesh/

Just absolutely nothing has happened regarding electrification at all:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/asia/india-nasa-satellite-night-trnd/

The quality foreign investment has completely stagnated as well:

http://unctad.org/sections/dite_dir/docs/wir2016/wir16_fs_in_en.pdf

Complete stagnancy in sanitation:

http://sbm.gov.in/sbmdashboard/

These are just a few grandiose failures of Modi admin, you can get a much bigger complete picture in the India economy thread of course.

What about Idea of India? What about the thinning harem of "intellectuals" in power corridors? What about emasculated Dhimmis who acted like mascot of secularism?

 

[baajey]

Thanks for your insights. But what you seem to be missing is that revenues of peninsular states are majorly financing the defense budget. I dont think if the peninsular India decides to form a seperate federation of autonomous states any country can bully it. The problems of India with Pakistan and China are doings of North Indians. Rest of Indians are not part of it.
Imagine if developed states used their revenue to develop their own states. They would end up first world in 10 years or so. But in present we feeding these useless bhaiyya trouble makers with our money.

nice way of putting things. its a perspective i wont reject outright, but a federation of coastal states would have a long coastline and a longer land boundaries with "troublemaking" states.
what we need at this point of time to save india is to do what the chinese have done 70 years ago. ban religion. because as long as religions lives among illiterate buffoons, social and economical status will be perennially f***ed up.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

We all know who divided India and who fought invaders . Both were Hindus .

Jinnah's grandfather was hindu but Hindus of his community boycott him and they accepted Islam .

It was not a turk who created Pakistan but a Gujarati Hindian muslim who created Pakistan .

 

[padamchen]

@Nilgiri @Joe Shearer
A simple queston. Do you think we are on the same path (religious extremism) Pak took in early 70s ? ...and how does india differ from the Pak case, if it differs ?
Thanks in advance.

You are asking the question to a guy who does not live in India.

Whose knowledge and idea and sole exposure to UP besides the cyber bytes will be the pilgrimage he and his family plan to take to the temple cities next time he visits India.

Joe is definitely someone who's been around the block. And he lives here. Which frankly makes all the difference.

Please direct your questions to those whose answers come from life and not the net. @Robinhood Pandey for instance. A resident Indian from UP. A sanghi, but a sweet one.

 

[baajey]

You are asking the question to a guy who does not live in India.

Whose knowledge and idea and sole exposure to UP besides the cyber bytes will be the pilgrimage he and his family plan to take to the temple cities next time he visits India.

Joe is definitely someone who's been around the block. And he lives here. Which frankly makes all the difference.

Please direct your questions to those whose answers come from life and not the net. @Robinhood Pandey for instance. A resident Indian from UP. A sanghi, but a sweet one.

that's all fine but I have high regards for @Nilgiri . He may be an NRI but he has knowledge which I want in this particular situation.
But I like ur suggestion of inviting @Robinhood Pandey into the question at post "
A simple queston. Do you think we are on the same path (religious extremism) Pak took in early 70s ? ...and how does india differ from the Pak case, if it differs ?
Thanks in advance."