How GOI was giving away siachin in US pressure

[third eye]

We can atleast have a de-militarized zone with border demarcation left for future negotiation?

The 1st step to pulling out is for both to accept & acknowledge where each other are or have reached.

Only then will de militarization happen, Pak is unwilling to certify where it is & where India is.

 

[Contrarian]

there is no use keeping soldiers at siachen. What these forces can do is achievable through non-militarized zone. Take US or Russia as guarantee and remove forces from both sides. Or any other alternative which both sides can trust

We trust no one.
No nation on this planet can guarantee India's security.
India has to ensure that itself.

The water drainage of Siachen Glacier is through "Nubra River" which falls in "Shyok River" and which ultimatley falls in "Indus River". Therefore, all the Siachen Glacier water already comes under Pakistani Control one way or other, thus making India's claim on this Iceland more weak.

Are you intellectually deficient?
In no way, does Siachen's water drainage going to Indus make India's claim weak.

Indus is not a Pakistani river. Pakistan does not have exclusive rights on Indus. Indus is not 'Pakistani', as most Pakistani's tend to believe. And Siachen drainage can ultimately fall in Nile river for all the difference it makes to any one's claims.

We can atleast have a de-militarized zone with border demarcation left for future negotiation?

No. We tried that in Kargil.
After Kargil, there is absolutely zero tolerance in India for demilitarizing any area which has not been marked and authenticated by Pakistan itself.

Whatever you say, but actually India is losing more than Pakistan for keeping armies at Siachen

In absolute terms - yes it does.
But as a percentage of our military expenditure, Siachen costs peanuts to Indian Military. The expenditure is not even a matter of concern for the Government.

On the other hand, it costs Pakistan quite a lot as its budget is quite small.

 

[Tameem]

Indus is not a Pakistani river. Pakistan does not have exclusive rights on Indus. Indus is not 'Pakistani', as most Pakistani's tend to believe.

CountryPakistan (93%)
India (5%)
China (2%)

 

[maxpayne]

The 1st step to pulling out is for both to accept & acknowledge where each other are or have reached.

Only then will de militarization happen, Pak is unwilling to certify where it is & where India is.

Yes both have same point of view. But de-militarization mean no forces on a certain area. However there can be any scouts or independent observer in the region. Later, the problem can be resolved by dialogues and we can have border defined for both sides. We should keep in our mind that if we dont want to give a chance or do not sacrifice there will be no peace. And this is true for both sides not Indians only.
Or any other alternative which is acceptable to both sides!

strategically and tactically

This point is the reason of rift between both countries. But actually we need

Administratively and financially

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[third eye]

Yes both have same point of view. But de-militarization mean no forces on a certain area. However there can be any scouts or independent observer in the region. Later, the problem can be resolved by dialogues and we can have border defined for both sides. We should keep in our mind that if we dont want to give a chance or do not sacrifice there will be no peace. And this is true for both sides not Indians only.
Or any other alternative which is acceptable to both sides!
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Scouts & independent observers !

You obviously have no idea of the terrain. Without huge logistic support even a single man will not survive in those areas. In any case what will am pair of eyes do which a satellite cannot .

The start point of dialogue is acceptance of current positions on the ground.

 

[maxpayne]

Scouts & independent observers !

You obviously have no idea of the terrain. Without huge logistic support even a single man will not survive in those areas. In any case what will am pair of eyes do which a satellite cannot .

The start point of dialogue is acceptance of current positions on the ground.

It isnt possible. Why dont the forces return back to pre 80's locations?

 

[third eye]

It isnt possible. Why dont the forces return back to pre 80's locations?

Unless Pak agrees to the ground position & signs as accepted..Why should they ?

Every inch of land has been gained by sweat & blood not to mention countless human lives. Either those leaders & soldiers were dumb or the present generation is very smart.

Each generation builds on what the next one does ..it does not undo it. Who would give up from a position of strength and why ?

 

[maxpayne]

Unless Pak agrees to the ground position & signs as accepted..Why should they ?

Every inch of land has been gained by sweat & blood not to mention countless human lives. Either those leaders & soldiers were dumb or the present generation is very smart.

Each generation builds on what the next one does ..it does not undo it. Who would give up from a position of strength and why ?

Actually it was captured. Yes it was defended by sweat and blood by both sides. And now it is better to stop wasting our sweat and blood there. We need more focus on our economy and it will occur when we stop pulling other's legs

 

[third eye]

Actually it was captured. Yes it was defended by sweat and blood by both sides. And now it is better to stop wasting our sweat and blood there. We need more focus on our economy and it will occur when we stop pulling other's legs

Sure..

Sign & move on.

 

[Contrarian]

CountryPakistan (93%)
India (5%)
China (2%)

And unless you are blind, you can see the river passes through India.
Infact India being the upper riparian has more leverage to control and exploit the river than Pakistan..and it does.

A river can only be completely Pakistani if it flows only through Pakistan.

 

[Tameem]

And unless you are blind, you can see the river passes through India.
Infact India being the upper riparian has more leverage to control and exploit the river than Pakistan..and it does.

A river can only be completely Pakistani if it flows only through Pakistan.

My initial reply was to @axisofevil wrong assertion that Siachen Galcier water could solve india's water problem so it wont' be vacated by India.

2ndly You are bragging about to negate Indus as Pakistani river only on 5% of its river bed falls in India compares to 93% of Pakistani......

 

[axisofevil]

My initial reply was to @axisofevil wrong assertion that Siachen Galcier water could solve india's water problem so it wont' be vacated by India.

2ndly You are bragging about to negate Indus as Pakistani river only on 5% of its river bed falls in India compares to 93% of Pakistani......

And what's you point? We could and can DAM the river for OUR NEEDS. I wasn;t referring to the Indus river, you did! I stated clearly Siachen Glacier could be used to alleviate future water problems that will become more evident.

 

[Tameem]

And what's you point? We could and can DAM the river for OUR NEEDS. I wasn;t referring to the Indus river, you did! I stated clearly Siachen Glacier could be used to alleviate future water problems that will become more evident.

OK so dam on Shayok river for which Irrigation land.........Deosai by the way under Indus water treaty you cant use it for irrigation in the first place.

 

[axisofevil]

OK so dam on Shayok river for which Irrigation land.........Deosai by the way under Indus water treaty you cant use it for irrigation in the first place.

So we will just use it to drink....

 

[Tameem]

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