How far does anti-Turkish feeling go in Germany?

[bsruzm]

everyone HATES them to death...

To death?

 

[gangsta_rap]

in reality they are the third generation of goat lovers...

The only point that I got from your post is that their behavior is completely justified given your BS prejudice against them!

 

[Georg]

behaivor of turks that makes them so popular ... and that is not unique that u see in every german city every week...

The only point that I got from your post is that their behavior is completely justified given your BS prejudice against them!

someone who never was in Germany sould take a giant DOZE OF STFU you have no clue what is going on in Germany

 

[gangsta_rap]

someone who never was in Germany sould take a giant DOZE OF STFU you ahve no clue what is going on in Germany

Germany..Canada whats the difference? White folks in both countries need to fix up their behaivor problems..

 

[fitpOsitive]

"Despite forming one of the largest minority communities and contributing heavily to contemporary German economy and culture, Turks in Germany have often complained of racist discrimination.
With a relationship going back half a century, Turkish migrants have left an unmissable mark on German culture and its economy.

Walking the streets of any German city today, it’s possible for a visitor to find themselves eating Doner in a Turkish cafe while watching a Bundesliga match featuring a number of German players of Turkish origin.

Their impact on the German economy has also been immeasurable, as a large proportion of Turks living in the county have roots in the ‘guest worker’ programme that vitalised the German manufacturing sector from the 1960s onwards.

Today German nationals of Turkish background are found in every sector but that success story does not come without some caveats.

Turks have been the target of frequent racially charged outbursts, including from individuals in respected office and the media, have faced murderous attacks by Neo-Nazis, and the German government has often treated the Turkish state with a double standard it deploys against no other of its allies.

Operation Peace Spring

Such treatment was most recently on display during Turkey’s operation to secure part of its shared border with Syria, which had been seized by the YPG, Syrian branch of the PKK terrorist group.

The European Union, in which Germany plays the dominant role, considers the PKK a terrorist organisation for its campaign of terror, which has killed more than 40,000 Turkish citizens.

It’s Syrian affiliate, known as the YPG, has an intertwined organisational structure with the PKK - A fact firmly established among any credible academic or observer.

Nevertheless, like its counterparts in other Western states, Germany was voraciously against Turkish moves to protect its citizens.

As was the case elsewhere in Western media outlets, the German media also gave up any pretence of impartiality and falsely portrayed Turkey’s mission as one against all Kurds and one aiming at ethnic cleansing rather than security.

“For eight years the war in Syria has been raging with endless suffering, death and misery. But the outcry has never been greater than in the last eight days since Turkey launched its military operation,” German-Turkish lawyer Fatih Zingal told TRT World.

“If Turkey were to wage war against the Kurds, they would first have to march into Istanbul,'' the lawyer added, referring to the fact that the transcontinental city is home to the largest single Kurdish population centre in the world.

But what also distinguished the German reaction more so than other countries was the expansion of criticism not just to the state but also to ordinary Turks, such as sportsmen.

When Turkish footballers, playing in European Championship qualifiers against France and Albania, performed military salutes to honour victims of terror - German outlets lumped it together on the same level the Hitler salutes performed by Bulgarian fans during their country’s match against England. Thereby equating Turkish support for their country’s struggle against terrorism with the admiration European racists feel for the genocidal Nazi regime.

Past incidents

It’s tempting to look at such incidents as one-off outbursts by excited activists but history begs to differ.

In 2018, German national team footballer Mesut Ozil quit his international involvement in disgust citing ‘racism and disrespect’ after having being targeted by the German Football Federation and its president, Reinhard Grindel, for appearing in a photograph alongside Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

“I am German when we win but I am an immigrant when we lose,” Ozil said in a statement.

“For me, having a picture with President Erdogan wasn’t about politics or elections, it was about me respecting the highest office of my family’s country,” he said in a separate tweet.

Speaking of his time as a national team player, Ozil said: "When I left the pitch, German people told me, 'Go back to your country', 'F*** you', 'Turk pig’ and things like that.”

The racist sentiment that affects one of Germany’s greatest football talents has also been unforgiving when it comes to ordinary Turks in Germany.

Turks suffer discrimination in the job sector, with applicants of Turkish origin having to put in more applications on average to get a call back from prospective employers than those with German names.

While not targeting Turks specifically, discriminatory measures targeting Muslims, such as headscarf bans in some German states, are also likely to affect those of Turkish origin.

With this societal discrimination, Turks face the added threat of an ascendant Neo-Nazi movement and the political repercussions of far-right parties like the Alternative for Germany.

But such hatred against Turks is not limited to the fringes. In 2016 after the failed putsch attempt by Gulen terrorists, one German journalist spoke out against anti-Turkish propaganda finding a home in mainstream German news outlets.

“German journalists failed to the ethical and moral standards of journalism while they have been reporting about Turkey in the recent for days, weeks, months and years," German freelance journalist Martin Lejeune said in a letter to Turkey’s Anadolu Agency.

Referring to smears spread about both regular Turkish people and the Turkish government, Lejeune said: "These terrible lies about the brave people of Turkey and the country [whose] people proved their will of freedom, have to stop.”."

How far does anti-Turkish feeling go in Germany?

Following are some possibilities:
1) the number of overall Germans in germany is decreasing due to low birth rate and immigration of germans towards other countries.
2) In next two generations, many Turks in Germany will totally become Germanized. Problem some what solved.
3) Another wave of nationalism will hit Germany(that will be the last one), and Turks will be kicked out.

 

[bsruzm]

Another wave of nationalism will hit Germany(that will be the last one), and Turks will be kicked out.

Turk is no Pakistani that can be kicked in disagreement as in Saudi case. I can't wait for that wave to come.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Turk is no Pakistani that can be kicked in disagreement as in Saudi case. I can't wait for that wave to come.

Well, I am also praying for Turks that it never happens. But I know Turks and I know Germans as well.

 

[bsruzm]

Well, I am also praying for Turks that it never happens. But I know Turks and I know Germans as well.

Well, it's not gonna happen tomorrow. Pray for Turkey, that's enough.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Well, it's not gonna happen tomorrow. Pray for Turkey, that's enough.

Good way to ask for prayers btw.

 

[Old School]

The Germans are cheapskate arrogants. After I have spent five minutes with a German, I feel like banging my head against the wall ! A miserably failed 'German wannabe' would be someone from the eastern Europe in the vicinity such as Czech, Pole or a Hungerian.

 

[Deliorman]

Many of the Turkish migrants in Germany are from the deepest and most backward places of Anatolia. A lot of the most uneducated and poor that couldn’t make a living in Turkey just went to Western Europe in the 1960s and 1970s searching for a better life. They went into a completely different country and culture where they weren’t and are not welcomed to this day so the first they did was to stick together and isolate themselves. Let’s be honest and admit that many of the Turkish migrants in Western Europe are not the cream of the crop but racism and hate towards Turks is pretty strong too. No matter how smart, successful and hardworking you are, to Germans you will always be an outsider.

The thing is that a lot of those young guys are neither well respected in Germany nor they have any real look and connection to Turkey. Even in Turkey they are called Almancis- German-ers. While Turkey itself moves forward and progress slowly enters even the most isolated towns and villages, their mentality got even more capsulated and isolated from reality. With so much hate towards them the only way for them to fight back is to be nationalistic, brake the laws and attacks back.

ps A lot of “Turkish” gasterbeiters in Western Europe are not even Turks by ethnicity- many are Kurds, Laz and Arabs from the Southeast and East of the country which to this day is pretty poor and backward compared to the rest of Turkey. A lot of the criminal organizations and clans in Germany are exactly of Arabs and Kurds from Turkey too.

 

[Glass]

Following are some possibilities:
1) the number of overall Germans in germany is decreasing due to low birth rate and immigration of germans towards other countries.
2) In next two generations, many Turks in Germany will totally become Germanized. Problem some what solved.
3) Another wave of nationalism will hit Germany(that will be the last one), and Turks will be kicked out.

The number of Turks is heavily decreasing as well. Turks with higher education migrating to other countries or back to Turkey combined with the fact that alot of Turks will enter the retirement age in the next 10 years, expect hundres of thousands to return. The fertility rate of the turkish woman in germany is already near the ones of a german and that indicates where things are going. I expect in general that the number of turks in europe will decrease partly because heavier integration/assimilation in order to become more succsesfull and partly duo to more alternatives for turks. The Germans themselves are now gearing up to import human capital from asia, lets see if they will be successful I dont know to what extent nationalism will solve their problems, they already have issues being attractive to foreigners and that will make it more difficult to them attracting the people they want as skin heads

 

[W.11]

Many of the Turkish migrants in Germany are from the deepest and most backward places of Anatolia. A lot of the most uneducated and poor that couldn’t make a living in Turkey just went to Western Europe in the 1960s and 1970s searching for a better life. They went into a completely different country and culture where they weren’t and are not welcomed to this day so the first they did was to stick together and isolate themselves. Let’s be honest and admit that many of the Turkish migrants in Western Europe are not the cream of the crop but racism and hate towards Turks is pretty strong too. No matter how smart, successful and hardworking you are, to Germans you will always be an outsider.

and were the jews also from very backward backgrouds too that resulted in nazi racism and ultimately their genocide? lets be honest, europe has always been the champion of racism since long time and turkish poor people in germany hailing from deepest anatolian regions has got nothing to do with it.

regards

 

[dani92]

behaivor of turks that makes them so popular ... and that is not unique that u see in every german city every week...

someone who never was in Germany sould take a giant DOZE OF STFU you have no clue what is going on in Germany

I wonder why didn’t Germany bring white Eastern European workers and why did give these Anatolians citizenship and allowed them to stay even though they were guest workers?!

 

[Mugen]

if you had a spine you would join in the fun and teach these honkeys some manners. time to teach whitey that things are level now and that there's no pedestal out there for them to stand on.

Disguting...we have a long way to go and this is not the correct way. You probably make Pakistanis look bad in your host country with that mind set.