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The difference between India's failure against Pakistan's success in their respective missile programmes is based on the purist mindset of the Defence Research and Development Organisation to develop indigenously all complex weapon platforms and Islamabad's intelligent alliance with China and the approach to achieve its goals 'by any means, fair or foul'! While Pakistan was pragmatic in its approach, India was merely pompous.

Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that India's Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme has been finally shelved. This marks an unceremonious end of an ambitious technological misadventure by the DRDO -- country's premier defence R&D agency. For nearly two-and-a-half decades, it doled out mere promises to the country's armed forces -- delaying their much- needed modernisation plans.

The armed forces were forced to resort to off-the-shelf 'panic buying' whenever they realised that the strategic balance was tilting in favour of their adversaries. Besides missiles, there are other equipments such as the Main Battle Tank Arjun, Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Nishant, Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, INSAS rifles which have been thrust on the end users despite unsatisfactory performances during trials.

In the bargain, the military lost 25 precious years and the taxpayers' nearly Rs 2,000 crore by keeping the IGMDP programme under wraps to hide its inefficiency from the nation.

Even when the IGMDP was embarked upon, many pointed out that to successfully complete such a high-end technological programme, foreign collaboration would be needed. But the DRDO's obduracy prevailed and the programme dragged for so many years.

It is wasteful to try and 'reinvent the wheel', but that is precisely what the DRDO backed by New Delhi did for all these years -- trying to develop every system and sub-system indigenously and ending up developing practically nothing of substance.

The IGMPD started in 1983 after India failed to reverse engineer a Russian missile in the seventies, with A P J Abdul Kalam as the head. However, 25 years later the DRDO missiles remain off target. The army cannot rely on Prithvi, a battlefield support missile, unless technological issues affecting its launch readiness are resolved. Trishul, the quick reaction anti-aircraft missile, turned out to be a dud and is now being resurrected with the induction of foreign technology as a stopgap arrangement for the air force, till the Spyder missile systems from Israel finally arrives. Meanwhile this delay for the navy meant importing Israel's Barak missile. While Akash, the medium range surface to air missile with 27-km range, had its first user trial in end 2007, Nag, the anti-tank missile with 4-7 km range, is yet to begin user trials.

Meanwhile, the air force with depleting fleet of obsolete Russian SA-3 Pechora and OSA-AK missile systems, is in a quandary as to how to plug holes in its air defence system in the western sector as the DRDO has failed to deliver.

AGNI �I and AGNI-II with a range of 700 km and 2,500 km respectively, have been tested five times, which is inadequate to generate confidence in a nuclear capable missile. The end users of these ballistic missiles are army and the air force with 8 and 24 missiles in their arsenals but lack confidence in the quality of the product even as AGNI-IV is readied for trial in mid-2008 with a range of 6,000 km.

The tacit admission of the DRDO's inability must not be limited to the missile programme alone; a review of all projects under its aegis is needed for a reality check and course correction. The DRDO fault-line primarily is a result of lack of accountability, focus, and failure to develop scientific disposition.

The director general of DRDO wears three hats. He is also, secretary defence R&D and scientific advisor to the defence minister. These three inter-linked hats on one individual destroy the basic principal of accountability. Therefore, he is not answerable to anyone.

DRDO scuttled a contract that was on the verge of being signed by India in 1997 for the import of a Weapon Locating Radar as the latter promised to produce it indigenously within two years. Due to this negligence, the Indian Army could not neutralise Pakistan's artillery fire effectively in the Kargil conflict and suffered heavy causalities. Of course, the DRDO to date is not in a position to produce WLR and ultimately India bought it from the previously selected producer in 2003. In my view, DRDO should be held directly responsible for these unwarranted war causalities.

The DRDO actually produces in its Tezpur laboratory orchids and mushrooms, identifies the sharpest chili in the world with pride, while its lab in Pithoragarh develops hybrid varieties of cucumber, tomato and capsicum. It spends merrily from the defence budget on developing new strains of Angora rabbits and 'Namkeen Herbal Tea'! DRDO by indulging in such irrelevant activities lost its focus and sight of its primary responsibility.

Instead of building a scientific temper, DRDO from its inception indulged in empire building, spending a major part of its budget on world-class auditoriums, convention centres, conference halls, and hostels, while neglecting research work.

To remove DRDO's fault-line, New Delhi should rapidly transform India into a low cost, high end R&D centre of the world without neglecting its manufacturing sector. Fairly ideal demographic conditions exist along with favourable geo-political factors whereby international actors are willing to invest, as well as, set up shop in India. To maintain their technological lead, the West finds India as a logical destination for their defence industries, both as a potential market and also a base to develop low cost high-end research projects.

On the other hand, we need to leapfrog as well as piggyback technologically, as reinventing the wheel is not necessarily an answer to the yawning technological gap that exists between the western countries and India. Therefore, there are synergies that should be exploited. Enormous mutual benefits can occur to both, if New Delhi can develop itself as a world-class R&D centre and a global hub for manufacturing sensitive military equipment.

Due to the rapid march of technologies and huge costs involved in R&D, no single player is in a position to deliver next generation weapon systems. Whether it is Boeing, Lockheed Martin, DCN, Airbus, or HDW -- all of them sub-contract different assemblies and sub-systems globally to the most competitive and competent companies. The other interesting trend is the formation of trans-national consortiums of nations and companies to manufacture superior platforms like the Euro fighter or the Euro copter. The game, thus, is global as it is not feasible for a single player to manufacture or develop each item.

In the development Sukhoi SU-30 MKI, the major player was the Russian corporation IRKUT but without the help of France [Images] and Israel, the fighter aircraft could not have developed the decisive technological edge that it displays. Therefore, India needs to shed its inhibitions, diversify, and form international industrial alliances to leapfrog technological gaps, boost export revenues from its military industrial complex, and leverage this strength as a strategic asset in Asia.

In any case, defence technologies become obsolete by the time a country can reinvent the wheel. Therefore, radical shifting of strategic gears to a more advantageous position by opening up the field to private sector will stimulate self-sufficiency. Companies like Tatas or L&T can enter into joint ventures and where necessary import CEO's and employ foreign scientists to kick start complex projects.

In fact, to improve performance of the Public Sector Units there should be competitors making fighter aircraft, missiles, and warships in the corporate world. Such farsighted policy shifts will improve India's self�sufficiency in the shortest possible time frame. This in turn, will increase the stakes of multi-nationals in India's well being and marginalise sanction regimes.

The Indian Foreign Office took 58 years to grudgingly acknowledge the criticality of military diplomacy in international affairs. If DRDO can appreciate that a technologically advanced and vibrant defence industry is equally critical for India's security and its global aspirations, we will not replicate this mistake. In other words, it should be made to realise that it solely exists to support the armed forces and not vice versa. Therefore, New Delhi should force ruthless accountability, create focus and development of scientific temperament within DRDO and ensure fruitful collaboration with the Indian and international private sector, instead of permitting them to fritter away the defence budget on irrelevant and peripheral activities.

How DRDO failed India's military
 
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"he DRDO actually produces in its Tezpur laboratory orchids and mushrooms, identifies the sharpest chili in the world with pride, while its lab in Pithoragarh develops hybrid varieties of cucumber, tomato and capsicum. It spends merrily from the defence budget on developing new strains of Angora rabbits and 'Namkeen Herbal Tea'! ..."

Maybe all these gimmickries have something to do with military, just we laymen do know it.:woot:
 
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The first paragraph summarises the reasons for India's failure really well. India got on it's high horse and decided to be overly ambitious, while Pakistan does not give a damn about where the help or expertiese comes from. We will not compromise our defense just to label our products "made in Pakistan". Abdul Qadeer Khan stole nuclear documents from Holland, and he enabled us to construct nuclear missiles. Do we give a wooden aana about how we acquired the know-how? Hell no.
 
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difference between India's failure against Pakistan's success in their respective missile programmes is based on the purist mindset of the Defence Research and Development Organisation to develop indigenously all complex weapon platforms and Islamabad's intelligent alliance with China

Now, I see India stepping in to Pakistani shoes, JV's with Israel and Russia should put every thing right in future.

India never was producing any thing, they were simply putting together different parts from various suppliers. It appears that India failed miserably in engineering despite massive foreign technical consultancies and collaborations, termed in Indian language as 'iron out'.
It was only Indian media to be blamed who was only printing dictations from state. Where as ground realities never tallied with the claims.
Fortunately sense prevailed in IA and they refused to induct substandard equipment and it really doesn't matter at the end India can afford any thing. But this certainly unviel India's below average scientific intellect.

Main Battle Tank Arjun, Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Nishant, Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, INSAS rifles which have been thrust on the end users despite unsatisfactory performances during trials.

However you will not find a single Indian willing to accept above as failures.
Various debates in this forum are proff enough and Indian version of History will always be written in proud words.
 
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At some point of time, we have to start this R&D. Fortunately, we had it started already. This might not have been produced the expected results this time, but have built a required infrastructure for the future developements. I wont say that this is a failure, since the delays and cost overrun are usual in R&D. The west had started this a century ago and now they are leading this defence industry.

This effort is not to replace the entire foriegn weapons immediately, but to prepare an alternative for the future. Whenever there is a delay, we will buy from other countries. We will produce our own, when we get the expected results.
 
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Now, I see India stepping in to Pakistani shoes, JV's with Israel and Russia should put every thing right in future.

India never was producing any thing, they were simply putting together different parts from various suppliers. It appears that India failed miserably in engineering despite massive foreign technical consultancies and collaborations, termed in Indian language as 'iron out'.
It was only Indian media to be blamed who was only printing dictations from state. Where as ground realities never tallied with the claims.
Fortunately sense prevailed in IA and they refused to induct substandard equipment and it really doesn't matter at the end India can afford any thing. But this certainly unviel India's below average scientific intellect.
However you will not find a single Indian willing to accept above as failures.
Various debates in this forum are proff enough and Indian version of History will always be written in proud words.

Well said.
 
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Now, I see India stepping in to Pakistani shoes, JV's with Israel and Russia should put every thing right in future.

Oh I see! just tell me how many JV's have been conceived by Pakistan?



India never was producing any thing, they were simply putting together different parts from various suppliers.

Be descriptive in mentioning, what are those parts?


It appears that India failed miserably in engineering

Oh man which kind of engineering are you talking about? Buidling, construction, infrastructure.

despite massive foreign technical consultancies and collaborations, termed in Indian language as 'iron out'.


Massive foreing technical collabrations, pls named them in description, do be afraid of bursting your bubble.


It was only Indian media to be blamed who was only printing dictations from state.


Just look into your own backyard regarding the state of your own media, your media don't even have privilage of printing those dictations.


Where as ground realities never tallied with the claims.

Pls name me one country in the world which has achived these milestone.


Fortunately sense prevailed in IA and they refused to induct substandard equipment

These is the same army which has inducted Agni,Prithvi,Pinaka etc of DRDO

When claims didn't tallied with ground realities, then how do you conclude those equipment as a substandard?




and it really doesn't matter at the end India can afford any thing. But this certainly unviel India's below average scientific intellect.

Below average scientific intellect, just go and research about How Indian scientist have been acclaim all over the world.

However you will not find a single Indian willing to accept above as failures.

Offcourse, becuase you want to push your self imposed unacceptability below our throat, because the failure about which are you talking about, may be they are failed but not defeated.


Various debates in this forum are proff enough and Indian version of History will always be written in proud words.

Offcourse, because Indian version of History is being acclaimed all over the world and hence several devloped countries are pitching hard to collabrate with India to devlop cutting edge technologies.
 
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Does anybody care a bit to check how the great nation of AMRICA came to what it is?

Many of you know and think of the ages that came, after u came out of your mothers womb. May be little back too...

Heck, does anyone care about checking the history back to its beginning........
Every nation had its struggle in the beginning.....


A child doesn't takes up the sword and fights when its born....Its the years of hardships, struggles and efforts that makes a child what is called MAN......


Our independence was such a waste...Do you guys Know why......???????

All it gave is a set of countries, neighbor to each others, but fighting all the time,,,,,,,,,,,We fight our brothers..but aren't we all friends of the west even now.....The same **** who kept us in slavery for years...You all are ready to forget and forgive them...But brother, "Oh noooooooooo we will see their death we will split them, we will hit the dagger in their hearts..."



Do any body care to imagine what would have been the subcontinent if it remained a single country.....?

It was their need to split us.....But they made us think that its our need..and we foooooooooooools didn't get it........Check USSR, Korea, Vietnam, IRAQ and try to see what it all means............


Its time we stop keeping ourselves us enemies.....There are a million in our nation, the poor...not even having a days food......Lets help them...
(I know this shouldn't be said in defense forum.....But i couldn't stop on seeing the above posts.........


At least you guys stop your being of "I AM THE GREATEST"....Yes we were, once, BUT not any more, BUT we can......Only if we recognize where we are now.
 
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"he DRDO actually produces in its Tezpur laboratory orchids and mushrooms, identifies the sharpest chili in the world with pride, while its lab in Pithoragarh develops hybrid varieties of cucumber, tomato and capsicum. It spends merrily from the defence budget on developing new strains of Angora rabbits and 'Namkeen Herbal Tea'! ..."

Maybe all these gimmickries have something to do with military, just we laymen do know it.:woot:


It has to do with cultivation of vegitables in non suitables conditions....That idiot journalist needs to be educated more on military affairs..or else will confuse people.......


DRDO might not have done a great job for many.....But for a nation what it gave is hope and belief in once self..... Thats what ISRO gave tooo...

If not for DRDO who else might have given India the existing technology...who might have wanted to collaborate with India, see the queue of nations today ready to partner with India today.......JV are an option now but not otherwise...
 
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Integrated Missile Programme to wind up on 31st Dec 08


Thursday, 24 January 2008


Dateline: Hyderabad

If India has a Missile Central, this is it. Nestling in the foliage at Kanchanbagh, on the outskirts of Hyderabad, are an array of laboratories with innocuous names like Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL), the Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL), and Research Centre, Imarat (RCI). It is these institutions that came together under Dr APJ Abdul Kalam to begin the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP) in 1983.

Now, amidst reports that the IGMDP had closed down, Business Standard was granted full access to the laboratories and scientists of the IGMDP. Dr VK Saraswat, the DRDO’s Chief Controller for Missiles and Strategic Systems (CC-MSS), India’s top missile scientist, revealed for the first time that the IGMDP was likely to close down on 31st December 2008. And the reason for its closure is success, not failure.

Just one missile test must be successfully completed before closure. This summer, the army will evaluate whether the anti-tank Nag missile is fit for acceptance into service. Army sources are optimistic; they say the Nag is close to completion.

Dr Saraswat told Business Standard, “The IGMDP continues, because it has government approval to continue work up to 31st December 2008. Subject to the likely success of the Nag trials, that will be the last date for completing the stated objectives of the IGMDP.”

If the Nag trials are successful, the IGMDP will have successfully developed four out of the five missiles it set out to make, 25 years ago. Those were:

• The Agni Technology Demonstrator (Agni-TD), which was to have a range of 800 km. The army has already accepted the Agni into service, including the Agni-2, with a range of 2500 km.
• The shorter-range 250-kilometer Prithvi missile has been successfully developed, and is also in service with the army. A naval variant, called the Dhanush, has also been produced.
• The 25-kilometer range, anti-aircraft Akash missile has successfully completed Indian Air Force (IAF) testing in December 2007. The IAF confirms that two squadrons of the Akash missile will enter service shortly. The army, though, has refused to accept the Akash.(Please note that the Army has "refused" it only on the grounds of what it says is an inadequate launcher. Its rejection is not of the missile per se.)
• The 11-kilometer range, quick-reaction anti-aircraft Trishul missile programme has been closed. This is the only IGMDP missile that will not enter service.
• The anti-tank, fire-and-forget Nag missile, which can strike a tank 4 km away, has already undergone trials in April 2007. Another round of trials will take place in the desert this summer.

While the IGMDP may close down, India’s missile programme has steadily expanded outside the purview of IGMDP. The Agni programme surges ahead, now under the Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL). The India-Russia joint venture, Brahmos, produces the most advanced cruise missiles in the world. The Astra air-to-air missile is being developed separately. An anti-ballistic missile (ABM) interceptor programme, that crown jewel of missiles, has already conducted two successful tests.

Despite the closure of the “integrated” missile programme, close integration continues in developing the technologies for this new generation of “non-IGMDP” missiles. Besides know-how inherited from the IGMDP, each laboratory focuses on particular technologies. ASL develops solid propulsion systems and the composite materials that rocket components are made from. The RCI contributes key technologies like inertial navigation systems and the sensors and seekers that go into missiles. The DRDL works in the high-tech fields of liquid propulsion, ramjet systems and aerodynamics.

Driving this quest for indigenous technology development is the experience of international sanctions that stemmed from the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). Denied even commercially available dual-use components, DRDO scientists continually reinvent the wheel.

The ASL Director, Avinash Chander, illustrates the broad consensus when he says, “Sanctions on the missile programme are very much alive under the MTCR and other repressive regimes. Most of our labs are on the banned lists. But we have taken this as a challenge… an opportunity to indigenise. And that is why today Agni, with the support of the Indian industry, is truly an Indian missile.”
 
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I’m tempted to think that the statement that Indian missile program fails is probably overly exaggerated.

Recent launch of Israeli satellite is an example of international recognition of the kind of capability.
 
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Not only that ISRO has also cornered around 20% of the market share for satellite photography as its much cheaper. I read it somewhere, cant find a link or i'd post it.
 
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I’m tempted to think that the statement that Indian missile program fails is probably overly exaggerated.

Recent launch of Israeli satellite is an example of international recognition of the kind of capability.

My statement seems supported by the following article:

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) today emphatically denied that it had sought any American help for the country's indigenous ballistic missile defence project.

Reacting to reports that US defence major Lockheed Martin was ''in touch'' with the DRDO on this issue, the organisation's Chief Controller (R&D), Dr Prahlad totally denied the news or that the DRDO needed any help. ''We need no external assistance in our endeavour, which is progressing well,'' he asserted.

Reports had quoted Lockheed Martin's International Air and Missile Defence Strategic Initiatives' (IAMSD) -- which makes the Patriot-III system for the US -- vice president Dennis D Cavin as saying his firm was in talks with the DRDO.

The DRDO had earlier this month claimed that its missile defence system was much better and capable then the American 'Patriot.' Dr Prahlad had termed the American system at least 20 years behind current technology, as well being costly. The main brain behind the ballistic missile defence programme and DRDO Chief Controller V K Saraswat had earlier asserted that their system would be up and running in three years time.

United States Didn't Help Indian Missile Programme Confirms DRDO | India Defence

Maybe some insiders can explain the statement in foldface, by giving some comparable parameters.
 
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That was indeed weird, there might be some other explanation as that is not a direct qute by Dr Prahlad. In either case, DRDO is NOT looking at LM for any kind of expertise in the ABM. Thats BS by the reporter.
 
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The difference between India's failure against Pakistan's success in their respective missile programmes is based on the purist mindset of the Defence Research and Development Organisation to develop indigenously all complex weapon platforms
Evan though DRDO knew thair capability or lack of it

and Islamabad's intelligent alliance with China and the approach to achieve its goals 'by any means, fair or foul'! While Pakistan was pragmatic in its approach, India was merely pompous.

It is weapon of war, after all. Wil it care whether it is "indigenous" or not??

Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that India's Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme has been finally shelved
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No one has any doubt abou that

This marks an unceremonious end of an ambitious technological misadventure by the DRDO -- country's premier defence R&D agency:undecided:. For nearly two-and-a-half decades, it doled out mere promises to the country's armed forces -- delaying their much- needed modernisation plans.

They did announce the scrapping with organising press conferance with lots of idly and bisi-belebath.

Don't worry the promises keeps more outlandish from here on.
. Besides missiles, there are other equipments such as the Main Battle Tank Arjun, Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Nishant, Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, INSAS rifles which have been thrust on the end users despite unsatisfactory performances during trials.

:cheesy::enjoy:

In the bargain, the military lost 25 precious years and the taxpayers' nearly Rs 2,000 crore by keeping the IGMDP programme under wraps to hide its inefficiency from the nation.

Did anybody was accounted for that?? I doubt any one will ever be.


It is wasteful to try and 'reinvent the wheel', but that is precisely what the DRDO backed by New Delhi did for all these years -- trying to develop every system and sub-system indigenously and ending up developing practically nothing of substance.


Well they did try, to the extreme, that they ate only produce of "indigenous" farms.:woot:

The IGMPD started in 1983 after India failed to reverse engineer a Russian missile in the seventies, with A P J Abdul Kalam as the head. However, 25 years later the DRDO missiles remain off target.

Nakel ke liye akal chahia........:cheers:

Keep tuned..........
 
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