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How do you Chinese view the rapid development of the past 35 years?

Shanghai turns into the literal ‘Devil Capital’ as heavy smog covers the city. This picture was taken from the 121st floor of Shanghai Tower, the tallest building in China, and shows a rather spectacular view.

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Hats off to the Party and our people!I come from Jinan,capital city of Shandong province,where magnificent economic boom taken place in last 35 years. Yet a great success we've made,there are still many obvious challenges(upgrading barrier,local debt risk,aging problem,pollution,resource shortage,escalating manufacturing cost,etc) let alone the unexpected ones looming ahead,and it's still a long way to go. China does have her uniqueness but can not run against laws of economy,so dont let over-optimism blind us.
I cant help to notice that most Chinese mumbers here can master english very well,which means we are both from at least a middle class family and well educated. We actually benefit the most from the economic boom and the rise of China so we support CCP government for sure. But we should always look beyond our own circle to really understand the complains of other people(after all it is a socialist country),and that's why we need real democracy in China. A strong and unified central government is to prevent democracy from descending into money game or populism while it is never meant that the Chinese people are born to be regulated and tamed. Remerber that we are living in a PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC which means democracy and equality are the very core of her founding ideology.

Three only in NanChang city :pop::D

1. “南昌之星 / NanChang Star” :smitten:
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2. "秋水广场 / Music Fountain of QiuShui Square" :woot:
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3. “滕王阁 / Pavilion of Prince Teng” :coffee:
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I graduated from Nanchang University,best years of my life.
 
Hats off to the Party and our people!I come from Jinan,capital city of Shandong province,where magnificent economic boom taken place in last 35 years. Yet a great success we've made,there are still many obvious challenges(upgrading barrier,local debt risk,aging problem,pollution,resource shortage,escalating manufacturing cost,etc) let alone the unexpected ones looming ahead,and it's still a long way to go. China does have her uniqueness but can not run against laws of economy,so dont let over-optimism blind us.
I cant help to notice that most Chinese mumbers here can master english very well,which means we are both from at least a middle class family and well educated. We actually benefit the most from the economic boom and the rise of China so we support CCP government for sure. But we should always look beyond our own circle to really understand the complains of other people(after all it is a socialist country),and that's why we need real democracy in China. A strong and unified central government is to prevent democracy from descending into money game or populism while it is never meant that the Chinese people are born to be regulated and tamed. Remerber that we are living in a PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC which means democracy and equality are the very core of her founding ideology.


I graduated from Nanchang University,best years of my life.

Funny your preach for democracy starts out with "Hats off to the Party" :rofl:. But I forgive you. Old habit dies hard. Agree with everything else you said:cheers:
 
Hats off to the Party and our people!I come from Jinan,capital city of Shandong province,where magnificent economic boom taken place in last 35 years. Yet a great success we've made,there are still many obvious challenges(upgrading barrier,local debt risk,aging problem,pollution,resource shortage,escalating manufacturing cost,etc) let alone the unexpected ones looming ahead,and it's still a long way to go. China does have her uniqueness but can not run against laws of economy,so dont let over-optimism blind us.
I cant help to notice that most Chinese mumbers here can master english very well,which means we are both from at least a middle class family and well educated. We actually benefit the most from the economic boom and the rise of China so we support CCP government for sure. But we should always look beyond our own circle to really understand the complains of other people(after all it is a socialist country),and that's why we need real democracy in China. A strong and unified central government is to prevent democracy from descending into money game or populism while it is never meant that the Chinese people are born to be regulated and tamed. Remerber that we are living in a PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC which means democracy and equality are the very core of her founding ideology.

I graduated from Nanchang University,best years of my life.

China's government is the most responsive, historical, empirical and dialectical. In this sense, it is one of the best forms of governance, which can be empirically verified by the explosive growth and development of the past several decades that the world has never seen before.

Like any other political entity, China is subject to external environment. Hence, it is impossible to avoid crises at times, like the Taiwan Strait Crisis of 1996. As the international environment changes, China needs to adjust its policies. In the same way, economic development is as much subject to external factors as internal.

As you point out, there are risks, unsolved problems as well as unexpected issues. Some problems are due to negative externalities like (now decreasing for five years) income inequality or pollution. Some are due to development and mass migration.

And there are massive reforms going on at the moment in order to enable a better judicial system, fairer taxation, better care of the inland areas etc. In fact, no other nation has gone through as much dramatic changes as the Chinese society over the past several decades.

Progress takes time. What is important is that China develops at its own pace, and without being lectured and dictated by others. China must uphold a fierce sense of sovereignty. No foreign system must be allowed to be imposed. Everything in China's own way, own speed and own dynamics.
 
What? What is the middle class standard?


U mean election-based democracy or CPC-style democracy?
Demo=people
The standard is quite vague to me and is definitely not a financial one. My point is that we didnt drop out from school because of poverty(like many others did)and got a decent job for being well educated,so perhaps we cant really understand the complaints of those unlucky one.
Sorry I dont think election equals to democracy,it is only one of many possible practices or tools of democracy. You can manipulate election with money or bragging you know,and that's not democracy. Today we still need a more efficient way to express people's needs or claim their rights without being affected by money,power,authority,public prejudice or something,so that's what we are trying to figure out.
 
The standard is quite vague to me and is definitely not a financial one. My point is that we didnt drop out from school because of poverty(like many others did)and got a decent job for being well educated,so perhaps we cant really understand the complaints of those unlucky one.
Sorry I dont think election equals to democracy,it is only one of many possible practices or tools of democracy. You can manipulate election with money or bragging you know,and that's not democracy. Today we still need a more efficient way to express people's needs or claim their rights without being affected by money,power,authority,public prejudice or something,so that's what we are trying to figure out.
But they will tell you democracy without elections is not democracy.
btw, my dad comes from the countryside and I have a lot of relatives still there. I know what their life is.
 
Funny your preach for democracy starts out with "Hats off to the Party" :rofl:. But I forgive you. Old habit dies hard. Agree with everything else you said:cheers:
Sorry but I do respect what CCP had accomplished in the past 65 years. I am also quite aware of the historical mistakes been made and from my own experience I believe CCP is making progress and can fit our own democracy well. I really appreciate your different opinion if you dont agree with me,but that's my point of view,thanks for your understanding.

But they will tell you democracy without elections is not democracy.
btw, my dad comes from the countryside and I have a lot of relatives still there. I know what their life is.
We do have our own immature election in the village and in NPC,only they dont admit it for really an election. But none of their elections established from nowhere and functioned well from the beginning. If they say we dont have election so we are no democratic,then so be it. I fell pity for those who have no open mind,and as the democracy is for our own,it is none of their business and perhaps we should not care about their opinions

China's government is the most responsive, historical, empirical and dialectical. In this sense, it is one of the best forms of governance, which can be empirically verified by the explosive growth and development of the past several decades that the world has never seen before.

Like any other political entity, China is subject to external environment. Hence, it is impossible to avoid crises at times, like the Taiwan Strait Crisis of 1996. As the international environment changes, China needs to adjust its policies. In the same way, economic development is as much subject to external factors as internal.

As you point out, there are risks, unsolved problems as well as unexpected issues. Some problems are due to negative externalities like (now decreasing for five years) income inequality or pollution. Some are due to development and mass migration.

And there are massive reforms going on at the moment in order to enable a better judicial system, fairer taxation, better care of the inland areas etc. In fact, no other nation has gone through as much dramatic changes as the Chinese society over the past several decades.

Progress takes time. What is important is that China develops at its own pace, and without being lectured and dictated by others. China must uphold a fierce sense of sovereignty. No foreign system must be allowed to be imposed. Everything in China's own way, own speed and own dynamics.
China's government is the most responsive, historical, empirical and dialectical. In this sense, it is one of the best forms of governance, which can be empirically verified by the explosive growth and development of the past several decades that the world has never seen before.

Like any other political entity, China is subject to external environment. Hence, it is impossible to avoid crises at times, like the Taiwan Strait Crisis of 1996. As the international environment changes, China needs to adjust its policies. In the same way, economic development is as much subject to external factors as internal.

As you point out, there are risks, unsolved problems as well as unexpected issues. Some problems are due to negative externalities like (now decreasing for five years) income inequality or pollution. Some are due to development and mass migration.

And there are massive reforms going on at the moment in order to enable a better judicial system, fairer taxation, better care of the inland areas etc. In fact, no other nation has gone through as much dramatic changes as the Chinese society over the past several decades.

Progress takes time. What is important is that China develops at its own pace, and without being lectured and dictated by others. China must uphold a fierce sense of sovereignty. No foreign system must be allowed to be imposed. Everything in China's own way, own speed and own dynamics.
Yes,that's exactly what I'm trying to say,thanks for the elaboration sir
 
Interesting post, one thing I notice though is that far to many of you are linking progress with number of skyscrapers you can throw up, I can understand it for space reasons but its just ugly and cheap looking.
 
Interesting post, one thing I notice though is that far to many of you are linking progress with number of skyscrapers you can throw up, I can understand it for space reasons but its just ugly and cheap looking.

On the contrary, skyscrapers are insanely expensive and look it too. Nobody thinks a wooden shack is expensive.
 
Interesting post, one thing I notice though is that far to many of you are linking progress with number of skyscrapers you can throw up, I can understand it for space reasons but its just ugly and cheap looking.

Part of our obsession with high rise buildings is due to historical reasons. When China just opened up, we saw in awe some of the pictures coming in from America and Japan filled with tall buildings. Most of us learned the word "skyscraper" from our English textbooks. To certain degree the concept of "modernization" and "development" was linked to skyscrapers back then. But, like everything else, this trend will change. As China develops further, more people will start to value traditional style buildings. There will always be a lot of high rise buildings in China though. Too many people, too little space.
 
Interesting post, one thing I notice though is that far to many of you are linking progress with number of skyscrapers you can throw up, I can understand it for space reasons but its just ugly and cheap looking.
skyscrapers pictures are easier to find. they may not be equal to the entire progress but still highly representative and good for visualization.

do you have any suggestion of what other pics to share? i have a hunch putting too many food pics or daily socialmedia-ish pics here this thread could soon be moved to members club....
 
I graduated from Nanchang University,best years of my life.
Glad to meet u here, bro ! I have visited the new campus of NanChang University near QianHu, that's a very big campus need taking bus to visit different colleges inside it.

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@Aegis DDG, as the OP of this thread ... do u get ur answer about China rapid development of the past 35 years ?

I think our "China city journey" in this thread will reach the end ... =).


@BoQ77 find one in Nanchang, u seem to quite like this sort of malls recently:-)
Let me help you bro, @cnleio I don't know why a Walmart is located in a Wanda Plaza, do you have your own local supermarkets?:o:
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Everything is possible in China, coz making money is the 1st principle, this called "中西合璧 / A combination of Chinese and Western elements" ... LOL !

Near my NanChang house, there'r France Auchan/ Germany Metro/ America WalMat/ China WanDa, a new France Carrefour now building there.
 
Sorry I dont think election equals to democracy,it is only one of many possible practices or tools of democracy. You can manipulate election with money or bragging you know,and that's not democracy. Today we still need a more efficient way to express people's needs or claim their rights without being affected by money,power,authority,public prejudice or something,so that's what we are trying to figure out.

Yes, I've stated this in another thread, even if there is general election for leaders, dirty political tricks still exist, they can buy votes from those poor guys without any sense of civil rights but thinking about money all the time. Even more, if they are in charge, those who hate corruption will do even worse and grab more national asset than the current officials. Election is one of the forms of democracy, but never be the solution to democracy. The real way success to democracy is invisible, it would cost decades of development. Many Indian members here don't understand the correct path to democracy, they regard the final result as the method.
 

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