How do Turkish nationals feel about the US / Kurd angle ?

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

[Note: I had limited understanding of Kurd in Turkey and other areas divided across Syria or iraq before I started the thread ]

Lets just throw the whole aliance angle and just talk facts

I personally get confused to understand the dynamics of the relation between Turkey / Kurd and then US in mix

So I wanted to understand turkish point of view with respect to the US/Kurd alliance and Impact on national security of Turkey

This being the Turkish Map that most folks are familiar with.

How does Turkish folks feel about US arming up PKK Terrorist groups , or enabling a future enemy state to emerge on border of Turkey ? And why exactly has Turkey not gone with a full fledge Assault by ground to captuer all regions south of it specially those belonging to the Kurd rebels , in green belt


Turkey - USA : close but worsening relation
Turkey - Kurds : Enemies or allies
US- Kurds : Secret alliance
Israel - Kurds : Some secret alliance
Russia - Turkey : Where does Russia fits into Model ?

Sould , Turkey take over all Kurd regions and push the refugees to USA ? What is a reasonable outcome from Turkish prespective forget the Yankee prespective we all know it is just messed up

What I am trying to really go to bottom to is is PKK and the Kurd state same entity and if Turkey has a strong airforce and ground force why exactly are they allowing this state to form on their border , if this group has been involved in bombings in Turkey

Mojority of European media and generally US media portrays Turkey as a generally some what disfunctional Democracy (Obviously incorrect 100%) but that is the general understanding I get by observing the media and various Turkish military / Government policies.

Why is it that Turkey allows a formation of "Uncontrolled" entity on its Southern or Eastern areas (Kurd/ Disfunctional Iraq/ Disfunctional Syria).

 

[Swezu]

Turkey - Kurds : Enemies

Pkk ,not kurds

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Generally intersted in views of Turkish folks , becasue I often related KURD/PKK to be same group. But I never actually understood the Turkish local view point

Isn't the creation of uncontrolled areas like (Syrian uncontrolled area , Kurd rebels regions where weapons flow and rain down like candies) is not a Anti Turkish initiative in a realistic point of view.

This uncontrolled region of KURD/PKK is similar to the one our Westerin front namely called Afgan rouge region so , I was curious as the similarities between the two zones are quite similar

Seems like Turkey is now facing a Eastern / Western front compromise - Thoughts

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

I thought you're asking Turk members about WWE wrestler KURT ANGLE....HAHAHAHHA

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

come on ...."kurd angle" where is your mind at

 

[OguzSenturk]

The enemy is KCK Terrorist Organisation.

KCK has 3 wings;
>PKK
>YPG
>PJAK

PKK is not YPG, but they are like different corps under one army (KCK).

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

come on ...."kurd angle" where is your mind at

...Sorry

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The enemy is KCK Terrorist Organisation.

KCK has 3 wings;
>PKK
>YPG
>PJAK

PKK is not YPG, but they are like different corps under one army (KCK).

Strangely I noticed this group appears to have formed about same time as when the invasion in Iraq started 2005-2006 period , Connected to US funding ???

Very suspecious organization

With out destabalization of Iraq I would have imagined it would have been harder for funding and weapons to flow freely in region but weapons/supplies can go thru Georgia


Based on their proposed range on their own web wiki site link they seem to have a heavy foot print across Turkey which is a massive security risk

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Lets just throw the whole aliance angle and just talk facts

I personally get confused to understand the dynamics of the relation between Turkey / Kurd and then US in mix

So I wanted to understand turkish point of view with respect to the US/Kurd alliance and Impact on national security of Turkey

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This being the Turkish Map that most folks are familiar with.

How does Turkish folks feel about US arming up PKK Terrorist groups , or enabling a future enemy state to emerge on border of Turkey ? And why exactly has Turkey not gone with a full fledge Assault by ground to captuer all regions south of it specially those belonging to the Kurd rebels , in green belt


Turkey - USA : close but worsening relation
Turkey - Kurds : Enemies
US- Kurds : Secret alliance
Israel - Kurds : Some secret alliance
Russia - Turkey : Where does Russia fits into Model ?

Sould , Turkey take over all Kurd regions and push the refugees to USA ? What is a reasonable outcome from Turkish prespective forget the Yankee prespective we all know it is just messed up

What I am trying to really go to bottom to is is PKK and the Kurd state same entity and if Turkey has a strong airforce and ground force why exactly are they allowing this state to form on their border , if this group has been involved in bombings in Turkey

Mojority of European media and generally US media portrays Turkey as a generally some what disfunctional Democracy (Obviously incorrect 100%) but that is the general understanding I get by observing the media and various Turkish military / Government policies.

Why is it that Turkey allows a formation of "Uncontrolled" entity on its Southern or Eastern areas (Kurd/ Disfunctional Iraq/ Disfunctional Syria).

US says they support Syrian YPG/PYD/SDF against dae sh and PKK is something internal to Turkish domestics therefore a no-no for them.But US ignores the fact of YPJs under the table nexus with PKK. Interestingly these kurds are marxists therefore US supporting them is an even a bigger question mark.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Why don't Turkey simply deport the folks out one way ticket to USA ?

It is quite clear that all these entities are connected and with delayed response the military
sterngth of this group will only increase resulting in border skrimishes or more invasive disturbances

The foreign policy aspect was quite vague , becasue if an entity is illegal inside Turkey it should also be illegal south of turkey where they hold territory due to weapon stashes and other suppliers.

a) Either Turkey should deport all folks who believe in this entity to Kurd iraq
b) Or Turkey could deport the folks to USA consideirng they are US allies and they can find residence in Washington DC

The unstability in Turkey due to this group resembles the Problem Pakistan has with Afghan region and sponsored "entities"

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

simple strategy. Use iraq against them. Push and help iraq by telling them that iraq would be divided if no action is being taken.

 

[mehmet75]

In Turkey , millions of kurds are living as a first class citizens. Total amount of kurds in Turkey can't be counted sharply, because they speak Turkish mostly, there is no such difference in look , there have been countless mixed marriages for more than thousand year. kurds are living in every city and country in Turkey. So you can't draw a border inside Turkey, to seperate them.

In Iraq, kurds and Turks are living in the same zone in the name "northern iraq kurdistan state". Best ally of this state is : ( surprise) Turkey. There is nearly free traveling and trade between Turkey and that state. Almost their all Infrastructure has been building with/by Turkey.

There is a roof terror organisation in region, called : KCK. Their arms in iraq, turkey, iran and syria are busy with fighting in different ways with governments. terror, political, youth brainwashing, gaining supports from international organisations and other countries etc. their ideology is differential . some times you see they are maoist, leninist but they use the names that western people and countries like ; (democratic, people, human rights etc..) .. and they have huge support from intelligence services.

But in a simple word they are : "etnic, facsist, kurdic terror organisation". They say their final goal is to set "greater kurdistan" by combining kurds in iran, turkey, iraq and syria .. but they have no ideas to solve the some problems and situation.

For instance :
_ how can they seperate the kurds and turks in turkey by ethnic. (because they are mixed.)
_how can they move millions of kurds from western cities (istanbul,ankara,izmir,bursa,adana ) to their so called kurdistan region and mountains.
_ how can they manage the many different languages in different zones and countries. (Turkish, farsi, zaza, arabic, regional kurdishes...)
_how can they beat all four countries ( iran, turkey,iraq and syria ) at the same time.
_ idlib, cerablus, haseke, ayn el arab, rakka and most of northern syria regions are not historically and demographicly kurdish areas. And also many places which they shaw in their maps in Turkey and iraq are not too..

Etc etc..

USA and some other countries are using them(KCK) for their interests. But they(USA) will go in the end. We are here to eternity.

For a last sentence , Atilla "the great" says : " if there is a problem with your borders ; expand it... "

I mean if syria, iraq and iran will be unsuccesfull of handling their borders and there will be terror zones for us (like kandil, sincar, tel abyad, menbic, afrin ..) , then....

 

[Mucahit]

The US always supported them secretly but now they're doing it openly and we don't say anything about it which is pretty pathetic.

Going on a patrol with YPG, visiting the funeral of PKK terrorists in Syria & visiting a PKK position in lraq together with a PKK commander who is in Turkey's most wanted list is not what an ally would normally do.

Can you imagine Turkey or any other country doing the same to US with Taliban or Al-Qaida right after 9/11 attacks? Yeah, the situation is that absurd.

Many Turkish citizens whether conservative, nationalist or secular nowadays including me doesn't see the US an ally any more but more like a state that wants to put Turkey into chaos by supporting these groups.

l don't know lf u remember the clashes in 2015 that happened within Turkish cities and took a year to completely get the terrorists out of the cities, well that happened with the help of YPG...they dig tunnels from Syria and supplied them with guns, explosives, ammunitions and most importantly with hundreds of militias. We killed a lot of Iraqi, Syrian and Iranian nationals in those clashes.

So you can only guess what will happen when we let them control our whole border.

 

[Saho]

The war is very confusing but again, I am struggling to figure out why Turkey have not yet openly criticise them or blackmail them like threatening to leave NATO, removing bases if they stop support for YPG etc.

 

[mehmet75]

Because we cant blackmail.

If we say : i am going... there are some silly european countries to shake hands and smile.. they are thinking they dont need Turkish membership anymore. And they see eurepan intersets are more important from NATO's.

And it is just not usa and europe.. russia backs ypg either ... all they race not to loose ypg..

May be, They guess this behave push erdogan out. But Turkish people are behind him now . This is our NATIONAL subject. Not ideological.. almost all groups are supporting military act against ypg and angry to usa..