How did the Indians get the figure of 200-300 dead in the air strikes on Pakistan?
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Funny that you dont allow international media to visit the site, and then ask us to provide evidence.
I Think BBC is not a Pakistani channel
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Funny that you dont allow international media to visit the site, and then ask us to provide evidence.
When you make a claim, you back it up with evidence. Otherwise, it is just that - hot air.
But hindu sangh madrassa graduates learning their degress on deceit, lies, false bravado and hatred for Pakistan would never understand that.
We made a claim that we shot down your plane, captured your pilot and backed it up with solid evidence. Now it is your turn.
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You know what? Judging by their lies, I am beginning to think Pakistan won all the wars with India. You're right about Azad Kashmir. If Pakistan did lose how did Pakistan get to keep Azad Kashmir?
I don't know how these Indians mind work. Very weird people.
Oh, and one more thing, I received a message on whatsapp saying there were 800 and odd killed in the surgical strike by IAF.
Sigh....
you know it when you see them scared shitting in the pants to cross border. Had they taught the truth in their books Modi should have learned in his 10th grade that dont try to go there.
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InIn Indi govt briefing it was clarified regarding
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Why don't you mention your book. Afraid?
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Is it too much to ask for proof? About these so-called air strikes? Where your country claimed hundreds were killed, even just a gun cam video or photo will do.
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Ancient Indians may have invented "0", but it turns out they are not that serious about numbers and time after all. "38% engineers in NASA are Indians"; "8000 Indians fighting with 100K Chinese in 1962"; "Indians killed 400+ Chinese in Cho La in 1967"; "132.8 exaflops super-supercomputer by 2017", " Manned space mission by 2015", etc.
Don't take their numbers or deadlines too seriously.
Don't take their numbers or deadlines too seriously.
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I guess the Indians lied about this as well?
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Any pictures or video on these 300 dead?
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Indian fighter jets carried out strikes against targets inside undisputed Pakistani territory, but open-source evidence suggested that the strike was unsuccessful.
At around 3:30 a.m. local time on February 26, a flight of 12 Mirage 2000 multi-role fighters reportedly attacked facilities of the terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM) near Balakot town in Mansehra District, Pakistan. Using open-source evidence, @DFRLab was able to geolocate the site of the attack and provide a preliminary damage assessment.
While most sources at the time identified the strike as taking place in the Pakistani town others located the strike at “Jaba Top,” a likely reference to a mountain top near the village about 10 kilometers south of Balakot.
Identification
On the morning of the February 26, after daybreak, a spokesperson for the Pakistan Armed Forces, Major General Asif Ghafoor, tweeted images from what he alleged to be the impact area of the Indian bombs.
Ghafoor claimed that the payload was dropped in a hurry and impacted in an open area. The immediate imagery seemed to corroborate the statement, as the photographs were taken in a wooded area and did not show any damaged structures.
Two photos included fragments from the ordinance supposedly dropped by the Indian fighter jets. One image contained what looked like a set of tail fins and another what appeared to be a component for the targeting system.
The most identifiable photo was of the fins, which closely resembled those on the Israeli-produced SPICE-2000 precision-guided munitions (PGM). SPICE uses INS/GPS coordinates for autonomous navigation and electro-optical seekers for target identification and terminal navigation. According to Rafael, the manufacturer of the SPICE series of PGMs, the electro-optical sensor matches the scene with pre-loaded imagery for accurate target acquisition and homing.
Bomb components compared against a mockup SPICE-2000 among other Rafael products mounted on an F-16 model during the 2017 Paris Air Show. (Source: ");
Initial reportsthat Mirage 2000s dropped 1,000-kilogram (approximately 2,000 pound) bombs on their targets, which is the same size of the SPICE-2000. This was corroborated by laterthat the SPICE-2000 was used in the strike. These munitions are compatible with the fighter jets, lending credibility to this assessment.
Location of the Strike
In addition to the imagery posted by the Pakistan Armed Forces spokesperson, video footage emerged of the area near the strike, showing a second point of impact. The video showed locals talking about the strike and claimed that only one man received injuries as a result of being startled by the bomb blasts.
The video posted on social media showed a valley similar to the one appearing in the video shared by the Pakistan Armed Forces spokesperson. A single cluster of buildings was visible on top of the mountain ridge. Imagery posted by Uppsala University Professor and UNESCO chair Ashok Swain on Twitter showed a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">closeup of this building, allowing for a clearer view of the area.
Overlap of closeup view and a still from the video footage, confirming that both images are from the same location.
Using this more detailed imagery, @DFRLab was able to confirm conclusively that this strike did in fact take place near Jaba Top. A comparison between tree clusters and the buildings visible in the imagery provided a positive match.
Comparison of satellite imagery and footage from the ground.
Using this information, @DFRLab was also able to verify the initial imagery from the Pakistan Armed Forces spokesperson as being from the same location. In the graphic below, the video footage would have been taken from structure number two as marked in the satellite imagery and ground-level imagery.
Comparison between ground-level and satellite imagery.
Retired Indian Colonel Vinayak Bhat seemed to agree with this assessment in an article written in the immediate aftermath of the attack, showing satellite imagery of the same location.
Additional footage of the targeted facility was released on Twitter. In one tweet, Asian News International (ANI) posted an image of what appeared to be a gate and guard post to the entrance of the facility. As Bhat also pointed out, this structure bore a high resemblance to a point along the road leading to the facility on satellite imagery.
The blue roof combined with the half roof covering the road and the sideroad on the right all contributed to a high-confidence conclusion that these structures were the same.
Damage Assessment
Another video from the main point of impact allowed @DFRLab to better survey the extent of the damage. The video showed a large patch of wooded area affected by the bombing, but no sign of damaged structures or personal injury.
Viewing satellite imagery from Planet, a small change in the affected area was visible, indicating the point of impact. Imagery from February 26 was not available, but a comparison from February 25 to 27 was possible, allowing for a reliable before and after comparison of the target location.
Satellite imagery of the target area before and after the attack. (Source: @DFRLab via Planet Labs)
The change visible in the imagery indicated only impacts in the wooded area, with no damage being visible to the surrounding structures.
Conclusion
Using open-source evidence and satellite imagery, @DFRLab was able to confirm the location of the Indian airstrike to be near Balakot, rather than inside it, and firmly within Pakistani territory. The target was supposedly a JEM-led madrassa, but @DFRLab was unable to confirm that any bombs reached buildings associated with it.
The SPICE-2000 is a precision-guided bomb that should not miss its target by the approximately 100 meters that the impact craters were from the nearest structures. The autonomous nature of the SPICE-2000 adds mystery to why the bombs seemed to miss. Satellite imagery did not suggest that any damage was inflicted to nearby buildings. Vegetation and low imagery resolution could hypothetically obscure structural damage, but this remains highly improbably. Something appears to have gone wrong in the targeting process — exactly what, however, remains unclear in the open-source evidence.
Source: Digital Forensic Lab
At around 3:30 a.m. local time on February 26, a flight of 12 Mirage 2000 multi-role fighters reportedly attacked facilities of the terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM) near Balakot town in Mansehra District, Pakistan. Using open-source evidence, @DFRLab was able to geolocate the site of the attack and provide a preliminary damage assessment.
While most sources at the time identified the strike as taking place in the Pakistani town others located the strike at “Jaba Top,” a likely reference to a mountain top near the village about 10 kilometers south of Balakot.
Identification
On the morning of the February 26, after daybreak, a spokesperson for the Pakistan Armed Forces, Major General Asif Ghafoor, tweeted images from what he alleged to be the impact area of the Indian bombs.
Ghafoor claimed that the payload was dropped in a hurry and impacted in an open area. The immediate imagery seemed to corroborate the statement, as the photographs were taken in a wooded area and did not show any damaged structures.
Two photos included fragments from the ordinance supposedly dropped by the Indian fighter jets. One image contained what looked like a set of tail fins and another what appeared to be a component for the targeting system.
The most identifiable photo was of the fins, which closely resembled those on the Israeli-produced SPICE-2000 precision-guided munitions (PGM). SPICE uses INS/GPS coordinates for autonomous navigation and electro-optical seekers for target identification and terminal navigation. According to Rafael, the manufacturer of the SPICE series of PGMs, the electro-optical sensor matches the scene with pre-loaded imagery for accurate target acquisition and homing.
Bomb components compared against a mockup SPICE-2000 among other Rafael products mounted on an F-16 model during the 2017 Paris Air Show. (Source: ");
Initial reportsthat Mirage 2000s dropped 1,000-kilogram (approximately 2,000 pound) bombs on their targets, which is the same size of the SPICE-2000. This was corroborated by laterthat the SPICE-2000 was used in the strike. These munitions are compatible with the fighter jets, lending credibility to this assessment.
Location of the Strike
In addition to the imagery posted by the Pakistan Armed Forces spokesperson, video footage emerged of the area near the strike, showing a second point of impact. The video showed locals talking about the strike and claimed that only one man received injuries as a result of being startled by the bomb blasts.
The video posted on social media showed a valley similar to the one appearing in the video shared by the Pakistan Armed Forces spokesperson. A single cluster of buildings was visible on top of the mountain ridge. Imagery posted by Uppsala University Professor and UNESCO chair Ashok Swain on Twitter showed a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">closeup of this building, allowing for a clearer view of the area.
Overlap of closeup view and a still from the video footage, confirming that both images are from the same location.
Using this more detailed imagery, @DFRLab was able to confirm conclusively that this strike did in fact take place near Jaba Top. A comparison between tree clusters and the buildings visible in the imagery provided a positive match.
Comparison of satellite imagery and footage from the ground.
Using this information, @DFRLab was also able to verify the initial imagery from the Pakistan Armed Forces spokesperson as being from the same location. In the graphic below, the video footage would have been taken from structure number two as marked in the satellite imagery and ground-level imagery.
Comparison between ground-level and satellite imagery.
Retired Indian Colonel Vinayak Bhat seemed to agree with this assessment in an article written in the immediate aftermath of the attack, showing satellite imagery of the same location.
Additional footage of the targeted facility was released on Twitter. In one tweet, Asian News International (ANI) posted an image of what appeared to be a gate and guard post to the entrance of the facility. As Bhat also pointed out, this structure bore a high resemblance to a point along the road leading to the facility on satellite imagery.
The blue roof combined with the half roof covering the road and the sideroad on the right all contributed to a high-confidence conclusion that these structures were the same.
Damage Assessment
Another video from the main point of impact allowed @DFRLab to better survey the extent of the damage. The video showed a large patch of wooded area affected by the bombing, but no sign of damaged structures or personal injury.
Viewing satellite imagery from Planet, a small change in the affected area was visible, indicating the point of impact. Imagery from February 26 was not available, but a comparison from February 25 to 27 was possible, allowing for a reliable before and after comparison of the target location.
Satellite imagery of the target area before and after the attack. (Source: @DFRLab via Planet Labs)
The change visible in the imagery indicated only impacts in the wooded area, with no damage being visible to the surrounding structures.
Conclusion
Using open-source evidence and satellite imagery, @DFRLab was able to confirm the location of the Indian airstrike to be near Balakot, rather than inside it, and firmly within Pakistani territory. The target was supposedly a JEM-led madrassa, but @DFRLab was unable to confirm that any bombs reached buildings associated with it.
The SPICE-2000 is a precision-guided bomb that should not miss its target by the approximately 100 meters that the impact craters were from the nearest structures. The autonomous nature of the SPICE-2000 adds mystery to why the bombs seemed to miss. Satellite imagery did not suggest that any damage was inflicted to nearby buildings. Vegetation and low imagery resolution could hypothetically obscure structural damage, but this remains highly improbably. Something appears to have gone wrong in the targeting process — exactly what, however, remains unclear in the open-source evidence.
Source: Digital Forensic Lab
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