How China builds these, and why India never does

[RAZA SAHI]

Because India is a democracy and there are lot of stakeholders involved in each project including the common citizens, while China is authoritarian and give a $hit about its citizens
@JADE

THAT'S A RIDICULOUS STATEMENT, THE ONE WHO BENEFIT THE MOST OUT OF THESE PROJECTS ARE THE COMMON PEOPLE OF CHINA. YES INDIA IS A DEMOCRACY BUT, TO SAY THAT MEGA PROJECTS IN INDIA GET BOOGED DOWN BECAUSE OF CONCERNS FOR THE COMMON MAN IS A LAME EXCUSE. THE ONLY REASON THAT SUCH PROJECTS DON'T COME ABOUT IN INDIA OR ARE BOGGED DOWN IN INDIA IS BECAUSE OF THAT GOD DAMN BEUROCRACY THAT WE HAVE IN THE SUBCONTINENT.

 

[jdme]

Because India is a democracy and there are lot of stakeholders involved in each project including the common citizens, while China is authoritarian and give a $hit about its citizens
@JADE

THAT'S A RIDICULOUS STATEMENT, THE ONE WHO BENEFIT THE MOST OUT OF THESE PROJECTS ARE THE COMMON PEOPLE OF CHINA. YES INDIA IS A DEMOCRACY BUT, TO SAY THAT MEGA PROJECTS IN INDIA GET BOOGED DOWN BECAUSE OF CONCERNS FOR THE COMMON MAN IS A LAME EXCUSE. THE ONLY REASON THAT SUCH PROJECTS DON'T COME ABOUT IN INDIA OR ARE BOGGED DOWN IN INDIA IS BECAUSE OF THAT GOD DAMN BEUROCRACY THAT WE HAVE IN THE SUBCONTINENT.

We? You are partially correct. India is most bureaucratic country in the world. Yet, many projects do get quick clearance from government and then get stuck due to simple thing like land acquisition. It happens all the time. The most serious impact is cost and then time. Some projects are simply abandoned.

 

[below_freezing]

You do not actually know the core business of Siemens, do you!!?

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Lie lie lie 50 times and it becomes truth! China lesson number one 1?

You should have read the NYT links.

You know why there are "nail households" in China? Because the government can't touch them if they don't want to move, so the skyscraper is built around them right outside their land. The government is absolutely powerless to get rid of them, yet the projects go on (by just building around them). I wonder why India doesn't do that?

 

[PakShah]

You know guys, I was reading the thread, and somebody said that India was 40 years behind China.
I found that somewhat amusing because to be quite frank I think there may be some truth into it.
Compare to the Least developed provinces of China to the least developed provinces of India, and still the least developed provinces of China beats many Indian provinces!


Check out the links:
Comparing Chinese provinces with countries: All the parities in China | The Economist
Comparing Indian states and territories with countries: An Indian summary | The Economist

Like I said earlier, comparing India to China is ludicrous!

 

[gaurish]

This seems to be copy cat of a thread called china s ferrari Vs Indias truck ... The authour is inspired from the previous thread i guess

 

[jdme]

You should have read the NYT links.

You know why there are "nail households" in China? Because the government can't touch them if they don't want to move, so the skyscraper is built around them right outside their land. The government is absolutely powerless to get rid of them, yet the projects go on (by just building around them). I wonder why India doesn't do that?

I know the story (2 years old or so). In India, one guy is not to protest. Thousands do. They don;t just protest, they resort to violence. There are full time communists in India (no link to China here) whoi literally protest anything and everything under sun. They do nothing else. Countless court litigations, dharnas, violence...Doesn't mean that nothing gets happened. Good number of projects get clearance quickly (small ones like buildings or airports..). Any road project will get hit. India has not built on road without protest. Any dam, any.. You cannot build roads by going around thousands of acres of land. .

 

[harpoon]

Because India is a democracy and there are lot of stakeholders involved in each project including the common citizens, while China is authoritarian and give a $hit about its citizens
@JADE

THAT'S A RIDICULOUS STATEMENT, THE ONE WHO BENEFIT THE MOST OUT OF THESE PROJECTS ARE THE COMMON PEOPLE OF CHINA. YES INDIA IS A DEMOCRACY BUT, TO SAY THAT MEGA PROJECTS IN INDIA GET BOOGED DOWN BECAUSE OF CONCERNS FOR THE COMMON MAN IS A LAME EXCUSE. THE ONLY REASON THAT SUCH PROJECTS DON'T COME ABOUT IN INDIA OR ARE BOGGED DOWN IN INDIA IS BECAUSE OF THAT GOD DAMN BEUROCRACY THAT WE HAVE IN THE SUBCONTINENT.

In India, a billion dollar investment cannot proceed without first getting clearance from the local panchayat which is the lowest form of government in India. Again a billion dollar investment comes to a standstill if a single local farmer/land owner gets a stay order from the court.

We believe in slow and steady rather than break neck speed.

 

[jdme]

You know guys, I was reading the thread, and somebody said that India was 40 years behind China.
I found that somewhat amusing because to be quite frank I think there may be some truth into it.
Compare to the Least developed provinces of China to the least developed provinces of India, and still the least developed provinces of China beats many Indian provinces!




Comparing Chinese provinces with countries: All the parities in China | The Economist
Comparing Indian states and territories with countries: An Indian summary | The Economist

Like I said earlier, comparing India to China is ludicrous!

Ahem, back to trolling again? Least developed province of Germany matches almost all Chinese provinces (that is after decades of communist rule in eastern Germany). Whats your point? China's PCI is more than 3 times that of India (close to 4 probably). Are you a master of stating obvious or this the limit of intellect you are capable of displaying?

 

[jdme]

We believe in slow and steady rather than break neck speed.

What nonsense. We don't believe in any such thing. India is simply incapable of finishing any project on time. Break neck speed!!! No kidding.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Here is the sectorial wise lists of projects that have been posted in this thread SO FAR

STEEL SECTOR

1) Posco Orissa Steel Plant(12mtpa)=$12 billion

2) Arcelormittal Jharkhand steel plant(12mtpa)=$12 billion

3) JSW Steel Vijaynagar Steel plant(11mtpa)=$11 billion

4) Arcelormitaal Karnataka Steel Plant(6mtpa)=$7.5 billion

5) JSW steel West bengal steel plant(10mtpa)=$8.25 billion

6) Posco Karnataka Steel Plant(6mtpa)=$8 billion

7) Essar Steel orissa plant(12mtpa)=$6 billion

8)Essar hazira steel plant expansion(9.6mtpa)=$5 billion

9) Tata steel chattisgarh steel plant(5.5mtpa)=$5 billion

10) JSPL orissa steel plant(12.5mtpa)=$12.5 billion

11) JSPL jharkhand steel project(6mtpa)=$5 billion

12) Bhushan Steel orissa project(7mtpa)=$5 billion

13) NMDC severstal karnataka steel plant(5mtpa)=$6 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT= $103 billion / Rs 4.5 lac crore

TOTAL CAPACITY=114.6 MTPA
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ALUMINIUM SECTOR

1) Hindalco orissa expansion=$6 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$6 billion / Rs 24,000 crore
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POWER SECTOR

a) THERMAL POWER

1) Reliance Power Dadri(7460 MW)=$6.25 billion

2) Sasan UMPP(3960 MW)=$5 billion

3) Reliance Power chitrangi(5980 MW)=$7.5 billion

4) Krishnapatnam UMPP(4000 MW)=$5 billion

5) Adani Power Mundra(4620 MW)=$5 billion

6) NTPC kudgi(4000 MW)=$6 billion

7) Jamnagar project(4000 MW)=$5 billion

8) NTPC lara project(4000 MW)=$5 billion

9) IL&FS tamil nadu(10000 MW)=$13 billion

10) NTPC sundergarh(4800 MW)=$7.5 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$65.25 billion / Rs 2.7 lac crore

TOTAL CAPACITY=52,820 MW



b) NUCLEAR POWER

1) Koodankulam project Tamil Nadu(9200 MW)=$16 billion

2) Jaitapur project(10,000 MW)=$25 billion

3) Kovvada project(8000 MW)=$15 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$56 billion / Rs 2.3 lac crore

TOTAL CAPACITY=27,200 MW



c) RENEWABLE ENERGY

1) Jawaharlal Nehru National Solar mission(20,000 MW)=$75 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$75 billion/ 3 lac crore

TOTAL CAPACITY=20,000 MW



d) TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION

1) PGCIL for XI plan=$14 billion

2) PGCIL XII plan=$30 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$44 billion / Rs 1.8 lac crore


TOTAL INVESTMENT(a+b+c+d)=$240.25 billion / Rs 9.7 lac crore

TOTAL CAPACITY=99,820 MW
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ROAD SECTOR

1) Golden Quadrilateral=$13.6 billion

2) North-South and East-West corridor=$12 billion

3) NHDP phase 3,5,6,7=$50 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$75.6 billion / Rs3.1 lac crore

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RAILWAYS SECTOR

1) Dedicated Freight Corridors=$15 billion

2) Delhi metro=$19 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$34 billion / Rs 1.4 lac crore

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AVIATION SECTOR

1) Modernisation of IGIA=$3 billion+

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$3 billion / Rs 12,000 cr
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PETROCHEMICAL SECTOR

a) REFINERY

1) Jamnagar refinery(RIL)(29 MMTPA)=$12 billion

2) IOCL panipat refinery(15 MMTPA)=$6 billion

3) IOCL paradeep refinery(15 MMTPA)=$7.5 billion

4) HPCL maharashtra refinery(18 MMTPA)=$7.5 billion

5) Essar refinery gujarat(36 MMTPA)=$15 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$48 billion

TOTAL CAPACITY= 113 MMTPA


b) PCPIR

1) PCPIR gujarat=$60 billion

2) PCPIR orissa=$65 billion

3) PCPIR andhra pradesh=$75 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$200 billion


c) DEVELOPMENT OF OIL AND GAS FIELDS

1) Development of kg d6 basin=$9 billion

2) Bombay High development=$9.5 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$18.5 billion


TOTAL INVESTMENT(a+b+c)=$266.5 billion / Rs 10.6 lac crore
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SPECIAL ECONOMIC ZONES(SEZ)

1) RIL SEZ jhajjar=$7.5 billion

2) Dahej SEZ=$8.25 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$15.75 billion / Rs 65,000 cr
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GOVERNMENT SCHEMES

1) Setting Up broadband network=$15 billion

2) Total sanitation programme=$5 billion

3) Pradhan Mantri sadak yojna=$33 billion

4) Rajiv gandhi grameen vidyutikaran yojna=$11 billion

5) Aadhar(UID)=$34 billion

6) Kalpasar project=$13 billion

7) MNREGA=$10 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$121 billion / Rs 4.8 lac crore
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VERY SPECIAL PROJECTS

1) DMIC=$100 billion

2) Gujarat International Finance tec city=$20 billion

3) ITIR bangalore=$50 billion

TOTAL INVESTMENT=$170 billion / Rs 6.8 lac crore
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Indian Megaprojects - SkyscraperCity


Credit to SSCaddict from skyscrapercity

 

[luckyyy]

india preffer low maintanence , high value products ...


1)cross-sea bridge : where did india going to build these and for whome ?

2)power station : power stations need to addess the environment threats too ....

3)rail link : indian railway runs over 2000 trains per day on the line to provide safe and econimical travel to commen men ...

4)gas pipeline : there is a troble in pakistan to build one...


i think one should look around and they will find enough mega structures in india :

World's biggest refinery is here in india

 

[jdme]

DMIC indeed is biggest undertaking ever taken in India. Initial cost projection were 90 billion dollar but India being India, cost might easily escalate to 150 billion or more. Good news is that work has already begun. Gujarat ofcourse has taken the lead.

SSC is excellent site on India. After 55 years of neglect, India is finally spending lot of money on infrastructure. 2 things unfortunately are left mostly untouched, urban development and railways.

 

[gaurish]

In India, a billion dollar investment cannot proceed without first getting clearance from the local panchayat which is the lowest form of government in India. Again a billion dollar investment comes to a standstill if a single local farmer/land owner gets a stay order from the court.

We believe in slow and steady rather than break neck speed.

A billion dollor project is never stayed because of a single farmer , if the minister is happy then it goes smoothly .. if there is a political opposition the politics is played with the people by the politicians to make it like an agitation rather reflect his personal intrest ...

 

[below_freezing]

In India, a billion dollar investment cannot proceed without first getting clearance from the local panchayat which is the lowest form of government in India. Again a billion dollar investment comes to a standstill if a single local farmer/land owner gets a stay order from the court.

We believe in slow and steady rather than break neck speed.

So build around them. China's government also can't touch that 1 farmer but they'll just build a bridge over his land or build an entire skyscraper around the house. After all, his land stops where it stops.

 

[PakShah]

Ahem, back to trolling again? Least developed province of Germany matches almost all Chinese provinces (that is after decades of communist rule in eastern Germany). Whats your point? China's PCI is more than 3 times that of India (close to 4 probably). Are you a master of stating obvious or this the limit of intellect you are capable of displaying?

How am I trolling?

LOL,
Germany is irrelevant here. Its about China and India. However, since you brought up Germany, can you please bring up evidence to back up your statements.

China's GDP (Nominal) is much higher than Germany's GDP (Nominal).