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HOW ARE INDIAN MUSLIMS TREATED IN INDIA

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I dont know how to spell it but I can say the word baikarat applies to this guy. Back to topic Indians treat untouchable hindus badly as well so its not just muslims christians and sikhs

same goes to you..i m sikh too. and kindly edit your post.i dont agree with you.
you dont know even iota of the india..kindly mange your own country then come back here..
 
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we come here to show you the reality and other side of the coin. We know you guys have a habit of living in delusions and growing on conspiracy theories so someone has to knock some sense into you, we take on the responsibility happily. :)

Ok we dont need you to do that bye bye. Back on topic if you are brahmin tell me how you feel about sharing water with untouchable?, if you ar untouchable how you feel about brahmins who say you are untouchable and its institutionalised in your religion

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Let this be clear, Those who cannot stomach critique should refrain from dishing it out as well.
Who am I to talk about Big B's private life.. but you cant stop me from talking about it here.. as long as the rules arent broken.
Telling me I have no right to do so, is the cheapest display of low self esteem.

Not ONE post in this thread by Indians defended the status of Indian Muslims by proof.
All of you resorted to dragging in Pakistan, or indulging in personal critique of the member .. then even had the tenacity to question his right to post about it.
Why?
Are things REALLY that bad for Muslims in India.. I dont think so.. I had opened this thread to post a counter to the thread starter.. infact I found a disheartening display of low blows by the supposed senior members.

Desiman.. you think we treat you with bias.. why dont you ask my countrymen the number of messages they send me over how lenient we are.. because we wish to keep this forum fair.
Give me an alternate forum run by your esteemed countrymen that is even 1/100th this FaIr.

Well santro as you say this reaction proves how they behave
 
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Let this be clear, Those who cannot stomach critique should refrain from dishing it out as well.
Who am I to talk about Big B's private life.. but you cant stop me from talking about it here.. as long as the rules arent broken.
Telling me I have no right to do so, is the cheapest display of low self esteem.

Not ONE post in this thread by Indians defended the status of Indian Muslims by proof.
All of you resorted to dragging in Pakistan, or indulging in personal critique of the member .. then even had the tenacity to question his right to post about it.
Why?
Are things REALLY that bad for Muslims in India.. I dont think so.. I had opened this thread to post a counter to the thread starter.. infact I found a disheartening display of low blows by the supposed senior members.

Desiman.. you think we treat you with bias.. why dont you ask my countrymen the number of messages they send me over how lenient we are.. because we wish to keep this forum fair.
Give me an alternate forum run by your esteemed countrymen that is even 1/100th this FaIr.

Have you ever visited IDF before ? You can ask your countrymen how fair we are over there also. My problem is not with moderation but with nutheads that open such threads again and again for obvious purposes and we leave the threads running until 20 members get banned. Such threads should be closed ASAP regardless of the nation they are talking about. I rest my case here as I dont have the time to debate on this, please msg me and we can talk this over like adults.
 
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same goes to you..i m sikh too. and kindly edit your post.i dont agree with you.
you dont know even iota of the india..kindly mange your own country then come back here..

aww tell me about blue star and how some sikhs feel that as a minority they are abused. Back to topic I dont think hindus single out muslims to abuse its all minorities. very sad state of affair, incredibley sad
 
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Ok we dont need you to do that bye bye. Back on topic if you are brahmin tell me how you feel about sharing water with untouchable?, if you ar untouchable how you feel about brahmins who say you are untouchable and its institutionalised in your religion

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Well santro as you say this reaction proves how they behave

Have you heard of any separate water demands by brahmins or restaurants serving separate waters?

We do know however how much of a ruckus Muslims make about having to kill an animal by halal and make him suffer before he dies :disagree:
 
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Why do Indian Muslims lag behind:

As historians tell it, during India's first election in 1952, Jawaharlal Nehru was already worrying about the feeble representation of Muslims in the country's positions of authority.

Many more Muslims had stayed back in India than the millions who migrated to newly-born Pakistan after the partition just five years before.

India's first prime minister's concerns about the country's second largest religious group and the largest religious minority were eminently justified.


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"There were hardly any Muslims left in the defence service, and not many in the secretariat," says historian Ramachandra Guha.

Little change

Next year, in 1953, a group of intellectuals met to discuss forming a political party for the Muslims and spoke about the low representation of Muslims in political positions and bureaucracy.

More than half century later, on India's 60th anniversary of independence, very little has changed.

Today, at over 138 million, Muslims constitute over 13% of India 's billion-strong population, and in sheer numbers are exceeded only by Indonesia's and Pakistan's Muslim community.

The country has had three Muslim presidents - a largely ceremonial role. Bollywood and cricket, two secular pan-Indian obsessions, continue to have their fair share of Muslim stars - the ruling heroes in Mumbai films are Shah Rukh, Aamir and Salman Khan, and the star of India's current English cricket tour is pace bowler Zaheer Khan. Not long ago, the national team was led by the stylish Mohammed Azharuddin.

That's where the good news essentially ends.

Muslims comprise only 5% of employees in India's big government, a recent study found. The figure for Indian Railways, the country's biggest employer, is only 4.5%.

The community continues to have a paltry representation in the bureaucracy and police - 3% in the powerful Indian Civil Service, 1.8% in foreign service and only 4% in the Indian Police Service. And Muslims account for only 7.8% of the people working in the judiciary.

Indian Muslims are also largely illiterate and poor.

At just under 60%, the community's literacy rate is lower than the national average of 65%. Only half of Muslim women can read and write. As many as a quarter of Muslim children in the age-group 6-14 have either never attended school or dropped out.

They are also poor - 31% of Muslims are below the country's poverty line, just a notch above the lowest castes and tribes who remain the poorest of the poor.

Identity card

To add to the community's woes are myriad problems relating to, as one expert says, "identity, security and equity".

"They carry a double burden of being labelled as 'anti-national' and as being 'appeased' at the same time," says a recent report on the state of Indian Muslims.

Historians say it is ironic that many Indians bought the Hindu nationalist bogey of 'Muslim appeasement' when it had not translated into any major socio-economic gain for the community.

So why has the lot of Indian Muslims remained miserable after six decades of independence?

For one, it is the sheer apathy and ineptitude of the Indian state which has failed to provide equality of opportunity in health, education and employment.

This has hurt the poor - including the Muslim poor who comprise the majority of the community - most.

There is also the relatively recent trend of political bias against the community when Hindu nationalist governments have ruled in Delhi and the states.

Also, the lack of credible middle class leadership among the Muslims has hobbled the community's vision and progress.

Consequently, rabble rousers claiming to represent the community have thrust themselves to the fore.

To be true, mass migration during partition robbed the community of potential leaders - most Muslim civil servants, teachers, doctors and professionals crossed over.

But the failure to throw up credible leaders has meant low community participation in the political processes and government - of the 543 MPs in India's lower house of parliament, only 36 are Muslims.

Also, as Ramachandra Guha says, the "vicissitudes of India-Pakistan relations and Pakistan's treatment of its minorities" ensured that Muslims remained a "vulnerable" community.

Regional disparities

The plight of Indian Muslims also has a lot to do with the appalling quality of governance, unequal social order and lack of equality of opportunity in northern India where most of the community lives.

Populous Uttar Pradesh is home to nearly a fifth of Muslims (31 million) living in India, while Bihar has more than 10 million community members.

"Southern India is a different picture. Larger cultural and social movements have made education more accessible and self employment more lucrative benefiting a large number of Muslims," says historian Mahesh Rangarajan.

In Andhra Pradesh state, for example, 68% of Muslims are literate, higher than the state and national average. School enrolment rates for Muslim children are above 90% in Kerala and Tamil Nadu.

Mahesh Rangarajan says poverty and "absence of ameliorative policies" has hurt India's Muslims most.

If India was to be "a secular, stable and strong state," Nehru once said, "then our first consideration must be to give absolute fair play to our minority".

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Why do Indian Muslims lag behind?
 
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@santro.

since you are mod,can i open a thread that how pakistani muslims are treated in pakistan too,leave about minorities there??
 
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Ok we dont need you to do that bye bye. Back on topic if you are brahmin tell me how you feel about sharing water with untouchable?, if you ar untouchable how you feel about brahmins who say you are untouchable and its institutionalised in your religion

Lets stick to the topic, which is on Indian Muslims... and not let a few sour grapes bring this down.

What I was about to post.. was that I have a lot of my family in India, and while we here will go outside of this nation and talk absolute rubbish about this nation.. I have never heard any of those people talk bad about India. NEVER.
There must be some reason for that, just a need to belong isnt enough to want to defend your nation so vociferously.
The side of family that is in India isnt as prosperous as the one here, nor do they live so well.. but they do not share the same sense of impending doom and hopelessness that their cousins(and many fellow countrymen share) show.

Tensions and treatment depends on history, whether communal or racial.. why is it.. the tensions that exist between the Hindus and Muslims of North India.. dont seem to glow that much in the south??

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@santro.

since you are mod,can i open a thread that how pakistani muslims are treated in pakistan too,leave about minorities there??

Absolutely.. as long as it does not break the rules.. no flaming.. etc.
 
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Hey santro... why not ban these offtopic trolls? if PDF is so biased why the heck r they not banned for opening a billion anti Pakistan rants? if PDF is not lenient why they hell r these indians still not banned for going offtopic n insulting our country?


Abt indian muslims... mr premji,azad n a few other guys out of almost 200 million muslims is not a BIG THING! while despite being the largest minority they r the most poor,uneducated,least represented in each and every govt or private sector!gujrat massacres,orissa,gurgaon etc r all good examples tht prove my point..

They drag Pakistan? how many anti hindu riots has Pakistan ever faced? how many thousand?hundred or even dozens of hindus have Pakistanis burnt ? when has the Pakistani state sponsored any killings of hindus or for tht matter any minority community?

Lets talk reality not god damn BS some indian trolls here rant abt!
 
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aww tell me about blue star and how some sikhs feel that as a minority they are abused. Back to topic I dont think hindus single out muslims to abuse its all minorities. very sad state of affair, incredibley sad

indira gandhi earlier backed bhindrawala then later on she was against him and ask hamid gul how it was supported by paksitan too.??
and all was done by congress party in revenge of killing of indira.

i have regrets but i prefer my nation above religion unlike you people here:)

understood???or not..
 
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Then they claim they are the biggest democracy and a secular state...

Democracy is not a perfect system, its a continuous improvement process, its a process that gives an equal chance to people who do want to do something in life. Cant really blame you, Pakistanis wont know anything about democracy anyways, atleast we are not the nation claiming to be the leader of the Ummah, even when a one religion country still discriminates against each other.
 
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Its a free forum but its still a pakistani forum. I dont know why you indians obsessed with pakistan on a friday night decide to come on here. We come cos we are pakistanis. You want to be pakistani?

Whatever happened to the claims of International forum with a Pakistani point of view ? :lol:

No wonder they say that principles and fair play are the 1st casualties when the going gets tough :)
 
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Democracy is not a perfect system, its a continuous improvement process, its a process that gives an equal chance to people who do want to do something in life. Cant really blame you, Pakistanis wont know anything about democracy anyways, atleast we are not the nation claiming to be the leader of the Ummah, even when a one religion country still discriminates against each other.

Ok lets assume tht we r dictatorship!........India has always been a democracy right? what has tht given to the indian muslims? state sponsored massacres,lootings,burning them alive,ripping a pregnant muslim womans stomach n stabbing the baby inside with a sword n than throwing him in fire?poverty?discrimination?Mass suicides,poverty?

If thts democracy... keep it sir! we dnt want a democratic system based on the indian system!
 
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