How ancient DNA may rewrite prehistory in India

[PakSarzameen5823]

A) Aryans were not invaders, early Islamic rulers were.

1. Do you really think that such a mass migration that fundamentally changed this region's society wasn't accompanied by warfare of some sort? And do you honestly think all Muslims came to this region as conquerors?

B) Pakistani people are from same lot except for some who migrated to Sindh from Arab.

2. No, we are related to the Islamic conquerors. Most Pakistanis come from backgrounds that are directly descended from soldiers, aristocrats, Sufis or the dynasties themselves. Even the ones from ex-Hindu tribes held high positions in these Muslim empires after converting. They weren't all Arab, these empires were a mix of Persians, Turks, Arabs, Indics and Pashtuns in terms of ethnicity.

Why an average Amritsarii looks different from tamilian has got to do with lot of stuff from what we eat to what geography we live into to stuff....

And genetics.

Should the theory be substantiated with further evidence, how ( if at all ) will Hindu history be able to reconcile ?

There isn't much to reconcile other than the fact that they're going to have to accept that their beloved Hindu heroes from ancient times were invaders who probably looked more like Dardic people than anyone else, meanwhile the rest of them are more accurate representatives of what their native enemies looked like.

South Asia is the same as saying India / Indian subcontinent.

No it's not. Afghanistan + KPK, Balochistan and GB are a part of South Asia, but not the Indian sub-continent.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

lol. Been saying this all along .......

I don't understand this graphic? Are you saying this represents migration from the Near-Middle East to the Indus Valley.

The migration/invasion theory was already dominant barring ultra nationalist Hindus who like to claim everything originated from them. Excluding genetics history also gives us trends to follow. Where did the Hephtalites come from? Where did the Scythians come from? Where did thethe Khusanas come from? Where did the Mughals come from? Thousands of years of history tells us that there is a clear migration pattern present, and coupled with genetics there is no scope left for this out of india nonsense perpetuated by Hindutva nutcases like Swamy.

There is a very remote similarity between German Aryan region and ancient Indian religion, but you have to look hard. Hitler did use a swastika on his flag, which is also a symbol for some Indian religions. Hitler did send research teams to Tibet and surrounding areas during his rise to power. The SS sent a mission there in 1930 for cultural research.

The ancient Persians had their own religious site called the 'Ka'ba ye Zartosht'

Ka'ba ye Zartosht, Maka region, Iran. (also known as Kornaykhaneh)

It was thought to be some sort of temple shaped like a cube. And it was located in ancient Maka region, Iran according the old maps, like the one quoted above. "The shape of the structure was cuboid and the black stones that were placed on the white background of its walls resembled the Black Stone, the Muslims' Kaaba, it became famous as Ka'ba ye Zartosht, the Kaaba of Zoroaster"

 

[Indus Pakistan]

South Asia is the same as saying India / Indian subcontinent.

I don't have time to give you full reply but would you be fine being lumped as "Middle Easternes" along with KSA etc?

Any meaning has to be taken in context. Clearly the ancients had a more nuanced understanding. What is exactly was Gandhara, Gedrosia, Sattagedia, Hendush?

I mean you guys like to differantiate between Syrians, Mesopotomanians, Persians, Backrians etc but the the 'universe' east of you is lumped as 'India'. Please show me old map from Achaemenid period which establishes what you saying.

@All rest members.

Yesterday I took th time to read the report and it pretty well demolishes Hindutwas. I will post a abstract later.

 

[Sanchez]

For obvious reasons "India" was once named as Sindh (身毒）in Ancient China.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Lol Dravidians and Aryans are both outsiders as per the new theories ........

For obvious reasons "India" was once named as Sindh (身毒）in Ancient China.

2 days ago, Arab commentators during football match were calling India as al-hind and Indians as al-hindi

We're not like Arabs. The Arab population in Iran is small. Arab migrations into Iran have only made an impact in Khuzestan (southwest Iran) and some parts of Hormozgan (southern Iran) but that was much later in history than what the BBC article talks about. Other Arab settlers to Iran didnt alter the population.

And we're not similar to South Asians either. This is just self-evident. The only similarities would have been with the original people that took Sanskrit language to India, but they obviously were not Indian and have died out in your main South Asian gene pool which the BBC article said is still just under half derived from the 'first Indians'.

In Iranian history South Asians have always been looked at as being a foreign race that is very different from Iranians and mostly described in the view of Persians as being dark skinned, thin/skinny bodies, different civilization with different customs, cultures, beliefs etc

You can see representations of how Persians viewed themselves and how they viewed foreigners like Indians/South Asians in Achaemenid royal reliefs at Perspolis. The differences are shown through body size/staure and facial differences, and differences in ethnic attire and way of life.

Iranians (Persians and Medes) according to their own view:

Indians from Hindush (modern Pakistan and northwest India) as represented in the view of the Achaemenid Persians:

These are the earliest surviving depictions of how Persians have viewed South Asians historically. In later writings they are described as foreign and being of a different race.

That there were two very distinct populations in ancient India is backed up by some some circumstantial evidence in the Vedas, the Mahabharata, as well as in the work of the Greek historian Herodotus, who notes that some Indians have “the same tint of skin, which approaches that of the Ethiopians. Their country is a long way from Persia towards the south, nor had king Darius ever any authority over them.” This is presumably an ASI population. Of an ANI population, he says: “Besides these, there are Indians of another tribe, who border on the city of Caspatyrus, and the country of Pactyica; these people dwell northward of all the rest of the Indians, and follow nearly the same mode of life as the Bactrians [in Afghanistan]. They are more warlike than any of the other tribes.”