How Afghanistan and Taliban have turned against Pakistan

[Well.wisher]

Ethnic superiority. Bang on! A disease that comes from the devil.

Yeah . That is why they call us daal khor .

 

[925boy]

Wow.interesting thread.but I will say one thing I KNOW for a fact Afghans who fight wars are very very very tough. Lol.Afghanistan can take Pakistan's "beating"all day and all year if they want.those guys r not easy roll overs any day.

 

[MadDog]

Talibs depend on Pak, last week their leadership was in Pak from Qatar, They have families in Pak, They need Pak to counter ascendancy of IS, which has elements of TTP.

 

[MadDog]

Wow.interesting thread.but I will say one thing I KNOW for a fact Afghans who fight wars are very very very tough. Lol.Afghanistan can take Pakistan's "beating"all day and all year if they want.those guys r not easy roll overs any day.

Afghanistan suffers from acute ethnic faultlines, Dostum the vice president is considered a mass murderer by Pushtuns. If by ethnic Afghans you mean Pushtuns only then how do Uzbeks, Tajiks and Hazaras fit into the equation , it is a dilemma Afghanistan has been facing severely !!!

 

[Kaniska]

Ethnic superiority. Bang on! A disease that comes from the devil.

I mean what is wrong with have an assumption of ethinic superiority when some people still think that if they are from a specific religion, they are the best people on the earth.

So at the end of the day, if humanity does not supersede above religion,race and ethnicity, then looser will take an execuse to hide their failure in the form of various excuses.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

So you mean to say the conversations quoted by Mrs. Malhotra never ever happened ??

No it never happens but it all been a made up.

 

[Kabira]

Afghan taliban never turned against Pakistan even when Musharraf handed them over to USA. TTP are different animals, they are mercenaries on behalf of India and Afghanistan fighting against Pakistan. This is what Afghanistan and India have been doing since 1948. Pakistan backed the right guys to end civil war in Afghanistan. There is a reason ISI don't want to hunt down Afghani taliban in Pakistan.

As we have seen since 2001 after Taliban rule ended, Afghan/India with now help of USA started proxy war against Pakistan. TTP who have nothing to do with Afghan taliban, used their name and some people think karmu ka pal mila hai. If Pakistan didn't support taliban then this proxy war of India through Afghanistan would have never ended back then. Some people say but Afghan taliban didn't accept durrand line, but then they forget that taliban also routed out pro Indian proxy gov working against Pakistan. Remember only time Afghhanistan didn't actively worked against Pakistan was when Taliban were in power.

Afghan taliban are loyal brothers of Pakistanis but they have image problem right now and we can't afford to support them openly. They should come to mainstream and rule Afghanistan "legally". I'm sure they can rule Afghanistan and then only sky is the limit for Pak-Afghan relations.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

1. taliban represents majority of afghanistan.thats why they are undefeated even after 15 years of war.
2. afghan government or northern alliance never liked pakistan since day 1.
3. afghan taliban never attacked pakistan and never did pakistan attacked them.
4. afghan taliban never hated pakistan nor northern alliance ever liked pakistan.

 

[Razia Sultana]

1. taliban represents majority of afghanistan.thats why they are undefeated even after 15 years of war.
2. afghan government or northern alliance never liked pakistan since day 1.
3. afghan taliban never attacked pakistan and never did pakistan attacked them.
4. afghan taliban never hated pakistan nor northern alliance ever liked pakistan.

1. If talibans are in majority they should contest elections and come to power. Even TTP and Baloch rebels are undefeated, does that mean they represent the majority?
2. Afghanistan govt. included the majority Pashtuns and all others, northern alliance is a later phenomenon.
3. I have never heard of a war between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Has Pakistan ever attacked northern alliance or vice versa for making such statement?
4. Political equations keep changing, You once loved the USA and now seeking attention from the Russians.

 

[Tom M]

No it never happens but it all been a made up.

Sorry mate, the conference did happen in October and so think the conversations as well.

http://www.bakhtarnews.com.af/eng/s...gional-security-conference-held-in-herat.html

http://www.tolonews.com/en/afghanis...-peace-tops-agenda-at-herat-security-dialogue

http://rasad.af/en/2016/10/15/fifth-high-security-dialogue-conference-held-in-herat/

http://www.aiss.af/herat-security-dialogue-v-international-conference/

Either you don't know about it or you are blatantly lying.

 

[I.R.A]

Someone rightly asked the Pakistani what do they mean by "strategic depth". Afghanistan is coming out of the shadows. Chahbahar is another reason of their confidence. For last 15 years the talibans were given the hope that things will change when Americans will leave but Americans did not leave and Afghans found a new hope in democracy. They now realize that talibans will keep them isolated from the world and Afghanistan will end up serving the strategic depth for Pakistan. After losing Mulla Omar and Mulla Mansour and several other leaders and signing of peace deal by Gulbuddin Hikmatyar with Afghanistan govt. even talibans have started to believe that their fight is destroying either them or Afghanistan. It wont be surprising if Talibans reach an agreement with Afghan govt like Hikmatyar since Pakistan is no longer present in their dialogues. Its high time Pakistan change their Afghan strategy and give up the dream of strategic depth.

So in nutshell Good taliban do exist ............... is this what you are trying to confirm?

 

[Razia Sultana]

So in nutshell Good taliban do exist ............... is this what you are trying to confirm?

All are humans. Its their thoughts and actions that differentiate them from good to bad. If evil is nurtured its difficult to change but if left alone it will die confronting good or it will change itself to good.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

1. If talibans are in majority they should contest elections and come to power. Even TTP and Baloch rebels are undefeated, does that mean they represent the majority?
2. Afghanistan govt. included the majority Pashtuns and all others, northern alliance is a later phenomenon.
3. I have never heard of a war between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Has Pakistan ever attacked northern alliance or vice versa for making such statement?
4. Political equations keep changing, You once loved the USA and now seeking attention from the Russians.

1. afghan taliban represents majority in practical as they are controlling more than half of afghanistan. go and read the history when during mizar sharif battle taliban leader mullah omer offered peace and surrender only if they were allowed to live in peace in afghanistan. karzai agreed to it, but americans didn't wanted it. under this situation how could taliban contest elections and win it.
baloch insurgents are less than 1000 whereas taliban people are more than 100k considering all of its allies. TTP are defeated and are now living in afghanistan as ISIS. their punjabi taliban group had already denounced war in pakistan. i donot want to give you insurgency examples in india as counter baloch narrative.
2. afghan government is mostly non pashtun except few pashtun war lords. afghan army still uses the pictures of ex northern alliance leader in their offices. go and see the US made documentaries on afghan armies. you will know how much it represent majority.
3. pakistan and afghanistan never had war but the most tense relations. in the past northern alliance was a strong ally of india and anti pakistan. pakistan on the other hand supported taliban to counter this threat.
4. pakistan was ally of US just because of mutual interest and that was soviet union who wanted to capture and invade balochistan. other than that pakistan and US relations were never that warm. remember the book written by ayub khan named "friends not masters". we need russia because russia needs us too to counter new extremists threat emerging in afghanistan. most of them are chechen and uzbeks.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

There is difference between ttp and afghan taliban . afghan taliban are Pro Pakistan while ttp is the lost cause.

 

[A-Team]

Afghan taliban never turned against Pakistan even when Musharraf handed them over to USA. TTP are different animals, they are mercenaries on behalf of India and Afghanistan fighting against Pakistan. This is what Afghanistan and India have been doing since 1948. Pakistan backed the right guys to end civil war in Afghanistan. There is a reason ISI don't want to hunt down Afghani taliban in Pakistan.

As we have seen since 2001 after Taliban rule ended, Afghan/India with now help of USA started proxy war against Pakistan. TTP who have nothing to do with Afghan taliban, used their name and some people think karmu ka pal mila hai. If Pakistan didn't support taliban then this proxy war of India through Afghanistan would have never ended back then. Some people say but Afghan taliban didn't accept durrand line, but then they forget that taliban also routed out pro Indian proxy gov working against Pakistan. Remember only time Afghhanistan didn't actively worked against Pakistan was when Taliban were in power.

Afghan taliban are loyal brothers of Pakistanis but they have image problem right now and we can't afford to support them openly. They should come to mainstream and rule Afghanistan "legally". I'm sure they can rule Afghanistan and then only sky is the limit for Pak-Afghan relations.

Spoken like a true Tali cheerleader, continue digging your grave as you make your society more extremist because sleeping with the snakes is bound to bite you, TTP is just a culmination of these polices and whatever happened in SWAT should be a good lesson for Tali cheerleaders like yourself.
The fact of the matter is that you both lost blood and treasure and got nothing in return for sleeping with snakes, time to wake up because even your proxies are sleeping with your enemies now ( talk of self goal

Article here, excerpts below:

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The scrappy exchange between Fair and ISI Brigadier (retd) Saad Mohammed - “your country is a vulture and a hyena, not mine!” - was followed by enthusiastic clapping by several Afghans in the audience that was as much stunning as it was illuminating.

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“A mentality for peace and stability never existed in Pakistan and the country is trying to use terrorism and the Taliban to colonise Afghanistan,” announced former Afghan foreign minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta and AISS director.

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Kabul’s friendly pro-Taliban analyst, Nazar Mohammed Mutmaeen, told this reporter “India is an important country in the region and we need to compare it with China, not Pakistan.”

Asked whether that meant the Taliban was changing its mind about India since 1992, when it hanged Afghan president and India’s friend Najibullah, Mutmaeen said: “The Taliban has changed. It is more mature now. It is not the same as it was before.”

He added: “Pakistan is thinking of its own benefit only. But Afghans won't be used by Pakistan again. If the Pakistanis think they can use us, then they should remember what we did with the British, with the Soviets, with the Americans and NATO forces.”
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But Mutameen said Pakistan had been treating Taliban leaders badly for a long time. For example, Pakistan told the US that the former Taliban chief, Mullah Mansour, wanted to cross over to Helmand in southern Afghanistan. He was killed in a US drone strike in May.

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At an off-the-record dialogue between Afghans and Pakistanis on the eve of the Herat conference, an Afghan participant reportedly told her Pakistani audience that “if you go out on the streets, you will find that very few people like you".

Talk of self harm , even the proxies have started sleeping with the enemy, whatever the jurnails might want you to believe, but all is not well