How a tiny city-state became a military powerhouse with the best air force and navy in Southeast Asi

[terranMarine]

That shows which type of Chinese you are. Nothing else.

There's only one type of Chinese what are you talking about? Getting senile due to old age?

 

[Joe Shearer]

There's only one type of Chinese what are you talking about? Getting senile due to old age?

You're right. In China, there are Chinese - only one type - and there are the morons.

Somehow, my guess is that you aren't one of the Chinese.

There's only one type of Chinese what are you talking about? Getting senile due to old age?

Would you prefer people to be like you? Getting senile at a young age?

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

pertaining to the topic at hand, Singapore's national military-heavy focus- is to prevent an attack by our immediate neighbours- not anyone else. We have no global policy(militarily). Our goal is to deter our potentially -hostile neigbours to our immediate north, south, east and west:

Our commercial sea lanes through the Malacca Straits and South China sea(to China and the Pacific):

The top export destinations of Singapore are China ($42.9B), Hong Kong ($41.6B),Malaysia ($35B), Indonesia ($25.8B) and the United States ($22.6B). The top import origins are China ($44.5B), Malaysia ($27.6B), the United States ($26.7B),Japan ($19.8B) and South Korea ($12.5B).


must never be hindered(so why would China block our sea lanes....... to itself???). Again, look at the map, who are the ones that are likely to cut off our sea lane communications with the rest of the world? I can only see TWO- and that's what our military is for.

Currently and going by history, only the US has demonstrated militarily and diplomatically- that it is influential enough to ensure that this security status quo stays the way it is.

Any informed Singaporean will know this.

 

[terranMarine]

You're right. In China, there are Chinese - only one type - and there are the morons.

Somehow, my guess is that you aren't one of the Chinese.



Would you prefer people to be like you? Getting senile at a young age?

And what makes you think i'm not when the real Chinese members here already confirmed my ethnicity a long time ago. I suggest you tell your fellow Indians to behave more rationally instead of the constant nonsense bragging of Indian achievements or accomplishments present or futurewise.

I prefer people to be sane like me yes

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Cordial relations wont stay cordial forever. Political comments like the one below helped reinforce our leaders's conviction that a strong military is an absolute must for Singapore- especially when our existence as a 'little red dot' is perpetually threatened by others:

"The term gained wide publicity when the former President of Indonesia B. J. Habibie used it to refer to Singapore in what appeared to be a disparaging manner (though this was denied by him). The term was quickly adopted by both Singaporean politicians and ordinary citizens with pride and a sense of the nation's success despite its physical limitations."

The term "little red dot" gained currency after the former Indonesian President B. J. (Bacharuddin Jusuf) Habibie was regarded as having criticized Singapore in an article published in the Asian Wall Street Journal of 4 August 1998. It was reported that Habibie had remarked that he did not have the feeling that Singapore was a friend, and had pointed to a map, saying: "It's O.K. with me, but there are 211 million people [in Indonesia]. All the green [area] is Indonesia. And that red dot is Singapore."[1] The remark caused an outcry as it was seen as a dismissal of Singapore.[2]

Former Prime Minister of Singapore, Goh Chok Tong, responded in his National Day Rally Speech on 23 August 1998. Goh called the effect of the Asian financial crisis in 1997 on Indonesia a "major tragedy", noting that the rupiah was worth only a fifth of what it was against the US dollar in June 1997; the banking system had almost collapsed; the economy was expected to contract by 15% in 1998; and that riots had taken place in the country in May 1998, mostly targeting Chinese Indonesians. He then said, "Singapore will help Indonesia within the limits of our ability. We are a small economy. ... After all we are only three million people. Just a little red dot on the map. Where is the capacity to help 211 million people?"[3]

Reflecting on Habibie's remarks at a conference on 3 May 2003, Singapore's former Deputy Prime Minister (and present Prime Minister), Lee Hsien Loong, said: "This [Habibie's remark] was a vivid and valuable reminder that we are indeed very small and very vulnerable. The little red dot has entered the psyche of every Singaporean, and become a permanent part of our vocabulary, for which we are grateful."[2][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_red_dot





and also the real threat our existence, built upon our resource-dependency on others:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conflicts_between_Malaysia_and_Singapore

"Malaysia is a reliable provider of water to Singapore but has used threats of cutting off the water supply to pressure Singapore politically. Seeking greater independence and freedom from such pressures, Singapore has pursued an expensive strategy of water self-sufficiency.

As of 2003, about 40% of Singapore's water came from Malaysia.[citation needed] The proportion has been decreasing as Singapore has pursued its Four Tap Strategy of sourcing water from rainwater, recycling, desalination, and importation.

By 2010, Singapore had constructed five Newater plants, a desalination plant and a new water barrage to increase rainwater supply. The Newater/desalination plants have the capability to supply 40% of Singapore's water needs as at 2010. The limit of rainwater catchment had a second and larger desalination plant constructed in 2013.[needs update]

Singapore's water needs are anticipated to double in the next 50 years. Planned Newater output will triple to meet 50% of needs by year 2060 whilst desalination investment will raise output to meet 30% of needs. By the expiry of the 1962 water agreement in 2061, the necessity for Malaysia water import should be eliminated.

Singapore also sells about 22.7 million litres of treated water to Johor each day [4]"

Cordial relations wont stay cordial forever. Political comments like the one below helped reinforce our leaders's conviction that a strong military is an absolute must for Singapore- especially when our existence as a 'little red dot' is perpetually threatened by others:

"The term gained wide publicity when the former President of Indonesia B. J. Habibie used it to refer to Singapore in what appeared to be a disparaging manner (though this was denied by him). The term was quickly adopted by both Singaporean politicians and ordinary citizens with pride and a sense of the nation's success despite its physical limitations."

The term "little red dot" gained currency after the former Indonesian President B. J. (Bacharuddin Jusuf) Habibie was regarded as having criticized Singapore in an article published in the Asian Wall Street Journal of 4 August 1998. It was reported that Habibie had remarked that he did not have the feeling that Singapore was a friend, and had pointed to a map, saying: "It's O.K. with me, but there are 211 million people [in Indonesia]. All the green [area] is Indonesia. And that red dot is Singapore."[1] The remark caused an outcry as it was seen as a dismissal of Singapore.[2]

Former Prime Minister of Singapore, Goh Chok Tong, responded in his National Day Rally Speech on 23 August 1998. Goh called the effect of the Asian financial crisis in 1997 on Indonesia a "major tragedy", noting that the rupiah was worth only a fifth of what it was against the US dollar in June 1997; the banking system had almost collapsed; the economy was expected to contract by 15% in 1998; and that riots had taken place in the country in May 1998, mostly targeting Chinese Indonesians. He then said, "Singapore will help Indonesia within the limits of our ability. We are a small economy. ... After all we are only three million people. Just a little red dot on the map. Where is the capacity to help 211 million people?"[3]

Reflecting on Habibie's remarks at a conference on 3 May 2003, Singapore's former Deputy Prime Minister (and present Prime Minister), Lee Hsien Loong, said: "This [Habibie's remark] was a vivid and valuable reminder that we are indeed very small and very vulnerable. The little red dot has entered the psyche of every Singaporean, and become a permanent part of our vocabulary, for which we are grateful."[2][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_red_dot





and also the real threat our existence, built upon our resource-dependency on others:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conflicts_between_Malaysia_and_Singapore

"Malaysia is a reliable provider of water to Singapore but has used threats of cutting off the water supply to pressure Singapore politically. Seeking greater independence and freedom from such pressures, Singapore has pursued an expensive strategy of water self-sufficiency.

As of 2003, about 40% of Singapore's water came from Malaysia.[citation needed] The proportion has been decreasing as Singapore has pursued its Four Tap Strategy of sourcing water from rainwater, recycling, desalination, and importation.

By 2010, Singapore had constructed five Newater plants, a desalination plant and a new water barrage to increase rainwater supply. The Newater/desalination plants have the capability to supply 40% of Singapore's water needs as at 2010. The limit of rainwater catchment had a second and larger desalination plant constructed in 2013.[needs update]

Singapore's water needs are anticipated to double in the next 50 years. Planned Newater output will triple to meet 50% of needs by year 2060 whilst desalination investment will raise output to meet 30% of needs. By the expiry of the 1962 water agreement in 2061, the necessity for Malaysia water import should be eliminated.

Singapore also sells about 22.7 million litres of treated water to Johor each day [4]"

No fully-sovereign nation will ever be contend with the idea of living under perpetual threat by others.

Henceforth, being the 'poisonous shrimp' that we are- is the only way we can deter the giant garoupas surrounding us.

 

[Sam Vaish]

Your welcome, glad you view us that way. That's how i like to be viewed as well, because China is the BIG BOSS IN ASIA. Anyone in Asia trying to claim they are better, stronger than China especially by you Indians shall be humiliated 1000 times . So keep calling us arrogant

Big boss of asia my a$$ man. You are such a coward nation. remember docklam? I would rather say a barking dog of asia. You Chines do project your self some kind of superpower.

 

[terranMarine]

Big boss of asia my a$$ man. You are such a coward nation. remember docklam? I would rather say a barking dog of asia. You Chines do project your self some kind of superpower.

What about Doklam? If my memory still serves me right it was your coward soldiers who fled back after photos emerged of large deployment of China's SAM at the same moment. Coincidence? I don't think so

 

[Nike]

Singapore's air force is almost as large as Indonesia and Malaysia combined and has as much tanks as Italy. We also have more air-refueling tankers than China, a continental-sized country and the highest number of foreign troops in the US (we aren't even an ally of the US).

I'm not trying to boast that we are strong or whatever, but pointing out that this is a country with 4 million resident population to draw our resources from, barely 1/5 of Beijing's population. Every Singaporean knows it is a huge burden on our finance, manpower and economy but it's a necessary price to pay for our sovereignty.

Sometimes we envy Hong Kong, but alas this is the hand we are dealt with and we try to play the best we can. When people say Singapore's prosperity is easy (just because we are small), they don't know what they are talking about.

Of course as a tiny nation we try to make as much friends as possible and avoid conflict.

Singkies must be glad their two larger neighbor doesn't pursue military first policy since long time ago.

 

[Dungeness]

@beijingwalker
@Dungeness

Sometimes when people tell responsible Chinese members that some of their compatriots are rapidly gaining all Chinese members a reputation for arrogance, we are given strange looks. I hope this thread will explain to you what is going on, and why a lot of people, not Indians alone, are beginning to wonder about China and the Chinese.

Do you have a moderator for the Chinese members?

Joe, military enthusiasts are in a self selected segment of any society, and they tend to be more enthusiastic or emotional in debates with other nationals, and some may get carried away at times. None of Chinese members here represent Chinese government or Chinese in general in any manner, so do not judge China and Chinese based on your partial observations here. As you can see some Chinese members have also voiced their dissenting opinion.

IMHO, Chinese members are lot more rational than many of your compatriots.

 

[Viet]

I think Singapore vs vietnam should be a better topic, and I bet on Singapore:
Air force:
Singapore:
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vn:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Vietnam_People's_Air_Force

Navy:
Singapore:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Republic_of_Singapore_Navy

vn:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Vietnam_People's_Navy

Army:
Singapore
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Singaporean_Army
vn:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Vietnam_People's_Ground_Forces

Military expenditure:
Singapore
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

vn:???

I like SG, very nice country and people, but comparing military strength between VN and SG is like comparing between Russia and China. The latter has no chance in a theorical war despite having more money. VN military budget is lower but we have some nice home made warships such as this type: Molynia guided missile corvettes. The firepower of those ships combined easily surpass than the entire SG navy.

 

[Mista]

Cordial relations wont stay cordial forever. Political comments like the one below helped reinforce our leaders's conviction that a strong military is an absolute must for Singapore- especially when our existence as a 'little red dot' is perpetually threatened by others:

"The term gained wide publicity when the former President of Indonesia B. J. Habibie used it to refer to Singapore in what appeared to be a disparaging manner (though this was denied by him). The term was quickly adopted by both Singaporean politicians and ordinary citizens with pride and a sense of the nation's success despite its physical limitations."

The term "little red dot" gained currency after the former Indonesian President B. J. (Bacharuddin Jusuf) Habibie was regarded as having criticized Singapore in an article published in the Asian Wall Street Journal of 4 August 1998. It was reported that Habibie had remarked that he did not have the feeling that Singapore was a friend, and had pointed to a map, saying: "It's O.K. with me, but there are 211 million people [in Indonesia]. All the green [area] is Indonesia. And that red dot is Singapore."[1] The remark caused an outcry as it was seen as a dismissal of Singapore.[2]

Former Prime Minister of Singapore, Goh Chok Tong, responded in his National Day Rally Speech on 23 August 1998. Goh called the effect of the Asian financial crisis in 1997 on Indonesia a "major tragedy", noting that the rupiah was worth only a fifth of what it was against the US dollar in June 1997; the banking system had almost collapsed; the economy was expected to contract by 15% in 1998; and that riots had taken place in the country in May 1998, mostly targeting Chinese Indonesians. He then said, "Singapore will help Indonesia within the limits of our ability. We are a small economy. ... After all we are only three million people. Just a little red dot on the map. Where is the capacity to help 211 million people?"[3]

Reflecting on Habibie's remarks at a conference on 3 May 2003, Singapore's former Deputy Prime Minister (and present Prime Minister), Lee Hsien Loong, said: "This [Habibie's remark] was a vivid and valuable reminder that we are indeed very small and very vulnerable. The little red dot has entered the psyche of every Singaporean, and become a permanent part of our vocabulary, for which we are grateful."[2][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_red_dot





and also the real threat our existence, built upon our resource-dependency on others:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conflicts_between_Malaysia_and_Singapore

"Malaysia is a reliable provider of water to Singapore but has used threats of cutting off the water supply to pressure Singapore politically. Seeking greater independence and freedom from such pressures, Singapore has pursued an expensive strategy of water self-sufficiency.

As of 2003, about 40% of Singapore's water came from Malaysia.[citation needed] The proportion has been decreasing as Singapore has pursued its Four Tap Strategy of sourcing water from rainwater, recycling, desalination, and importation.

By 2010, Singapore had constructed five Newater plants, a desalination plant and a new water barrage to increase rainwater supply. The Newater/desalination plants have the capability to supply 40% of Singapore's water needs as at 2010. The limit of rainwater catchment had a second and larger desalination plant constructed in 2013.[needs update]

Singapore's water needs are anticipated to double in the next 50 years. Planned Newater output will triple to meet 50% of needs by year 2060 whilst desalination investment will raise output to meet 30% of needs. By the expiry of the 1962 water agreement in 2061, the necessity for Malaysia water import should be eliminated.

Singapore also sells about 22.7 million litres of treated water to Johor each day [4]"


No fully-sovereign nation will ever be contend with the idea of living under perpetual threat by others.

Henceforth, being the 'poisonous shrimp' that we are- is the only way we can deter the giant garoupas surrounding us.

http://www.fivestarsandamoon.com/2017/07/someone-want-wipe-singapore/

Singkies must be glad their two larger neighbor doesn't pursue military first policy since long time ago.

Indonesia under Sukarno did. But that was when Singapore was still part of Malaysia.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Comparing Singapore with China is funny.singapore stands no chance against china.i hope they will end hostile attitude towards China because it's not good for singapore.

 

[Yingluck]

Comparing Singapore with China is funny.singapore stands no chance against china.i hope they will end hostile attitude towards China because it's not good for singapore.

Singapore is not hostile to China per se, but having taken so many monies from USA, Singapore needs to do USA bidding.

Also China has expectation that Singapore is majority Chinese and should incline naturally to China. Singapore did but not up to China expectation. Japan and Korea are more hostile to China.

When China outbid USA, you find the most pro-China Singapore.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Joe, military enthusiasts are in a self selected segment of any society, and they tend to be more enthusiastic or emotional in debates with other nationals, and some may get carried away at times. None of Chinese members here represent Chinese government or Chinese in general in any manner, so do not judge China and Chinese based on your partial observations here. As you can see some Chinese members have also voiced their dissenting opinion.

IMHO, Chinese members are lot more rational than many of your compatriots.

On both points, you may be surprised to read, I agree with you (with some qualifications).

It was not China or the Chinese in general that I was drawing your attention to; it was the ill-mannered, not excessively enthusiastic, but downright ill-mannered and arrogant attitude of the worse part of Chinese members on PDF. I drew your attention to this specifically because you (and other responsible, mature Chinese members) have complained about the worse kind of Indian members in the past. This was an opportunity to demonstrate to you that you, too, have these bad eggs.

Second, a minority of Chinese members are, indeed, much more rational than a segment of my compatriots; the difference is that these irrational Indians have been systematically hunted down and banned, and they, and many rational Indians, are no longer members here. Among both national groups, however, it is a minority that is responsible and behave decently; the majority are badly behaved. There is not much to choose between them, except that the Indians had suffered from an influx of the worst sort of member, the ignorant bigots, hyper-patriots and almost-fascists, due largely to a social shift in India, as well as the results of the last general elections.

In concluding, you need to ask why you two were singled out to receive my sickened, appalled reaction to those bums. Would this have been addressed to two other bums? Or to those who would be able to understand what was being said, and why?

 

[Yingluck]

On both points, you may be surprised to read, I agree with you (with some qualifications).

It was not China or the Chinese in general that I was drawing your attention to; it was the ill-mannered, not excessively enthusiastic, but downright ill-mannered and arrogant attitude of the worse part of Chinese members on PDF. I drew your attention to this specifically because you (and other responsible, mature Chinese members) have complained about the worse kind of Indian members in the past. This was an opportunity to demonstrate to you that you, too, have these bad eggs.

Second, a minority of Chinese members are, indeed, much more rational than a segment of my compatriots; the difference is that these irrational Indians have been systematically hunted down and banned, and they, and many rational Indians, are no longer members here. Among both national groups, however, it is a minority that is responsible and behave decently; the majority are badly behaved. There is not much to choose between them, except that the Indians had suffered from an influx of the worst sort of member, the ignorant bigots, hyper-patriots and almost-fascists, due largely to a social shift in India, as well as the results of the last general elections.

In concluding, you need to ask why you two were singled out to receive my sickened, appalled reaction to those bums. Would this have been addressed to two other bums? Or to those who would be able to understand what was being said, and why?

I am talking about is it possible to take down Singapore choke point, with current operational capability of China, in a rational manner. These Chinese member + one Singapore traitor keep giving me crab.