Hostile actions / propaganda against Turkey

[Timur]

Turkish Families House burnt in Essen yesterday night.
Police believes hostile attack of the usual suspects ( Nazis ?)

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/almanya-da-turk-ailenin-evine-dunya-2412306/

there are many many terrorist attacks in germany many buildings are burned and many refugees attacked.. but in media you cant see it they only show the bad refugee image .. they want their ppl racist and fanatic..

eu is preparing for war they threw their pseudo pasifistic mentality away and replace it with hardcore rage..

Hi, what dou you think about Erdogans policy about europe ? Can you clarify your thoughts ?

idiotic maybe he is one of them.. he made himself a turkish version of ahmedinejad .. he does not know how to use his homies and proxies to speak for him..

and I dislike them all because they favored germany.. they give many jobs to germany.. idiots.. there are much more trustworthy and social countries to deal with than germany, netherland, denmark and so on for excample look what we gained with south korea.. you would never ever see the romans giving you this ability..

 

[Deliorman]

Iran took some americans and europeans as "hostages" if i remember right, that is how sanctions started on Iran. But it doesnt stop Mullah's to be weaken, it did the opposite, Mullahs offically created an Army, also they created Hezbollah terror organisation to attack other nations, which made sanctions deeper on Iran.

Turkey in the other hand, is a Secular Democracy who is being blamed by NAZI states. If we sanctions few NAZI countries because of their support towards Pan-Kurdist PKK fascists, nobody will blame us.

Turkey can't even sanction a country like Denmark let alone a bunch of bigger and stronger countries than Turkey itself. You guys (those Erdogan and AKP supporters around here) should first know that Turkey is not in a position to threaten the West as long as more than half of it's exports are going to Europe, as long as most of the critical weapons Turkey buys are Western- made. Turkey can't threaten the West when it's dependant on it so heavily- both for it's economy and it's military. You guys should stop living in the Dream world where Turkey is a superpower everyone is scared of. Turkey has much more to lose than the EU if our relations get worse.

 

[Bismarck]

Probably Bismarck knows more about the details ?



Hi, what dou you think about Erdogans policy about europe ? Can you clarify your thoughts ?

I have no details about the issue in Essen. About Erdogan, he is really dissapointed about Europe. If you read all the article (german media) before Gezi park actions, they are all positive, more or less. So, what has changed so much that a salvation of Turkey turn to a public enemy, not only for us, but for us also? I remember our (non-) existing reaction after failed coup in Turkey. We were more concerned of putschists than the turkish victims. Hilarious! In this correlation I can understand Erdogan's dissapointment. Erdogan want from us honesty, which we are not.

We can be glad that the turkish community in Germany is splited and powerless.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Turkey can't even sanction a country like Denmark let alone a bunch of bigger and stronger countries than Turkey itself. You guys (those Erdogan and AKP supporters around here) should first know that Turkey is not in a position to threaten the West as long as more than half of it's exports are going to Europe

Well, I;

1) didnt claim that AKP would sanction Denmark, or any other european country, i even bet on that "if AKP sanction them, i will vote AKP" which means i dont believe in any sanctions coming from AKP government,
2) am not supporter of AKP or Erdoğan, or any other political party. I dont care political parties or elections, i only care benefits of Turkey, which is violated by Netherland's fascist movement,
3) did not claim that Turkey's economy in a position to force one EU power to do something.

and

You guys should stop living in the Dream world where Turkey is a superpower everyone is scared of.

did not claimed by me neither.

 

[Bismarck]

What do you think should turkish community in Germany do, to get more powerful ? And can you write more detailed, at what youre analytical impressions about turkish community in Germany are ?

Okay, turkish community is affected by turkish policity in turkey. As far as you don't solve your 'religion and ethnic problems' in turkey there is no way of an unity turkish community. Btw, an unity does not mean a non existing opportunity. Plurality is a must have in every civilized society.

For us, an unity community bring less trouble on our streets.

 

[what]

Okay, turkish community is affected by turkish policity in turkey. As far as you don't solve your 'religion and ethnic problems' in turkey there is no way of an unity turkish community. Btw, an unity does not mean a non existing opportunity. Plurality is a must have in every civilized society.

For us, an unity community bring less trouble on our streets.

There's no unity for the Turkish people. Not in Turkey and not in Germany. Its even worse in Germany.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

There's no unity for the Turkish people. Not in Turkey and not in Germany. Its even worse in Germany.

Definitely wrong.

Approx. 60-65% of the Turkish community in Germany (from AKP to MHP and SP/BBP electorate) have a similar level of education and similar values. They have analogical opinions about Germans and Germany. Moreover, they share a sense of community even though they vote for different parties in Turkey. All of these social and political groups are either religious or patriotic. They consider each other as a part of the Turkish right wing. Living abroad in a foreign country is binding them together.

Off course, they won't include an atheist who openly collaborates with Germans in Germany into their peer group.

They don't see you as a Turk anyway. You're lost in the eyes of many German Turks because you're breaking the Golden Rule - the only rule of general importance among the Turks in Germany.

No one is expecting from you to vote for Erdogan; no one is demanding from you to eat and drink and live like an orthodox Muslim; you can abandon your Turkish citizenship; you can criticize Erdogan and AKP but they going to socially expel you the moment you criticize Turkey publicly together with Germans or PKK sympathizers. This is not acceptable in the world they live in.

The rest of 40% is indeed an extremely divers and mixed group - you're belonging to this minority. That's why you may think there is no unity but it's in fact simply a false assumption.

 

[what]

Definitely wrong.

Approx. 60-65% of the Turkish community in Germany (from AKP to MHP and SP/BBP electorate) have a similar level of education and similar values. They have analogical opinions about Germans and Germany. Moreover, they share a sense of community even though they vote for different parties in Turkey. All of these social and political groups are either religious or patriotic. They consider each other as a part of the Turkish right wing. Living abroad in a foreign country is binding them together.

Off course, they won't include an atheist who openly collaborates with Germans in Germany into their peer group.

They don't see you as a Turk anyway. You're lost in the eyes of many German Turks because you're breaking the Golden Rule - the only rule of general importance among the Turks in Germany.

No one is expecting from you to vote for Erdogan; no one is demanding from you to eat and drink and live like an orthodox Muslim; you can abandon your Turkish citizenship; you can criticize Erdogan and AKP but they going to socially expel you the moment you criticize Turkey publicly together with Germans or PKK sympathizers. This is not acceptable in the world they live in.

The rest of 40% is indeed an extremely divers and mixed group - you're belonging to this minority. That's why you may think there is no unity but it's in fact simply a false assumption.

Is that not the essence of unity? You might argue that there is a Sunni-nationalistic unity if you want to put it that way. Because secularists, Alevis or atheist Turks are not included.

A Turkish unity can only be based on one thing and that is Turkishness. Everything else is not unity.

You dont have unity when you have 60% aboard and ignore the other 40%. Very wrong picture you paint there.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Is that not the essence of unity? You might argue that there is a Sunni-nationalistic unity if you want to put it that way. Because secularists, Alevis or atheist Turks are not included.

Actually, we are included. If you mean Anti-Islamism, yeah they are out of the club. "Nationalist" side represents %70 of the country, which is united. Only communist extremists-anarchists and terrorists are not included.

15 July was a perfect example of the unity, and then Yenikapı meeting.

 

[what]

Actually, we are included. If you mean Anti-Islamism, yeah they are out of the club. "Nationalist" side represents %70 of the country, which is united. Only communist extremists-anarchists and terrorists are not included.

15 July was a perfect example of the unity, and then Yenikapı meeting.

Thats something else. People were facing a military dictatorship. But people are not united, you dont see the faultlines from your "in-club" point of view.

30% are extremists-anarchists and terrorists? See thats my point, people like you divide the people. You probably the most divisive member in this forum alone labeling everyone terrorist who does not agree with you.

 

[revojam]

Actually, we are included. If you mean Anti-Islamism, yeah they are out of the club. "Nationalist" side represents %70 of the country, which is united. Only communist extremists-anarchists and terrorists are not included.

15 July was a perfect example of the unity, and then Yenikapı meeting.

Nationalist side present %70 ? Is that same %70 keep voting for AKP 15 years when AKP was dismantling every single thing with Turkishness and pumping up micro-nationalism all over the country. Same people grow up saying nationalism is haram in islam so one can't be both nationalist(Turk) and muslim at same time acting as nationalists today.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Kubler-Ross Stages of Grief

Nationalist side present %70 ?

1) Denial

Is that same %70 keep voting for AKP 15 years when AKP was dismantling every single thing with Turkishness

2) Anger

Same people grow up saying nationalism is haram in islam so one can't be both nationalist(Turk) and muslim

3) Bargain

Further more, there will be Depression and Acceptance

 

[Mr.Department]

Germany prohibited today sign of Grey Wolves. Showing in public will be punished.
Announcement was just made by German Federal Minister of Interior. He compared Grey Wolves sign with fascists.

Source N24 Tv reffering minister Maiziere.

 

[revojam]

Kubler-Ross Stages of Grief

1) Denial


2) Anger


3) Bargain

Further more, there will be Depression and Acceptance

Good escape card you found there whenever you stuck in discussion you are completly owned just copy paste that stupid twitter post and end the discussion.

 

[OguzSenturk]

There is no discussion since there is a proven fact that %70 of the Turkish Nation is heavily Nationalist and united, if you feel bad about it, well deal with it