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'Horrible': Christian churches throughout Egypt stormed, torched


Kafr Hakim, Egypt (CNN) -- For 67 years, the Virgin Mary Church has been a peaceful refuge for Shenouda El Sayeh, much like the Giza province village of Hafr Hakim where it rests and where he has lived all those years.

But, as he swept its floors on Thursday, it was painfully obvious things had changed.
The night before, a mob -- chanting against Coptic Christians such as El Sayeh and calling for Egypt to become an "Islamic state" -- had torched and looted the Virgin Mary Church.
"I didn't expect this to happen," El Sayeh said.


He's not alone. Christians all around Egypt are cleaning up in the aftermath of a spate of attacks, which not coincidentally came on the county's deadliest day since the 2011 revolution that overthrew longtime President Hosni Mubarak.

Bishop Angaelos, the Cairo-born head of the Coptic Orthodox Church in the United Kingdom, said he was told by colleagues in Egypt that 52 churches were attacked in a 24-hour span that started Wednesday, as well as numerous Christians' homes and businesses.

Ishak Ibrahim, a researcher with the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, told CNN he had confirmed attacks on at least 30 churches so far, in addition to the targeting of church-related facilities, including schools and cultural centers.

Those churches reportedly set ablaze Wednesday included St. George Church in Sohag, a city south of Cairo on the Nile River.

And the new day brought new attacks. Prince Tadros Church in Fayoum, which is southwest of Cairo, was stormed and burned Thursday night, according to the official Middle East News Agency.
This and other attacks have been blamed by some on supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist group once led by more recently deposed President Mohamed Morsy. They, too, have reportedly been caught up in the violence: Egypt's health ministry says that at least 580 people were killed and more than 4,000 injured amidst clashes involving security forces and Morsy supporters.

What group, if any, is behind the church attacks, and how coordinated this violence has been might not been be sorted out definitely for some time.

Until then, Christians in Egypt are left to try to put things back together, as well as to try to make sense of what's transpired.

As Dalia Ziada of the Ibn Khaldun Center for Development Studies told CNN: "This is horrible to happen in only one day."


'A very dangerous game to play'

Egypt will have much to deal with if, and when, things do settle down. Should that happen, Angaelos says that a proper investigation of the church attacks should be part of that -- especially since, he feels, the sheer scale of incidents suggests they were orchestrated, rather than a byproduct of chaotic unrest.

"We would want the people who have done it to be brought to justice because I think they are trying to do something which is much more dangerous," he said.

"It's not just about burning churches, it's about burning churches to initiate a response that then spirals into even greater violence -- and that is a very, very dangerous game to play."

The targeting of churches and Christian properties was not unexpected, Angaelos said, given the tensions in Cairo and elsewhere and in light of escalating attacks on Coptic Christians in recent weeks.

The growing threat led him last week to issue a statement warning of "a very real risk upon the life of every Christian." Pope Tawadros II, the church's leader in Egypt, also suspended weekly public events for fear of attacks on Christian congregations.
But the warnings didn't prevent the violence, nor did security efforts to protect churches and Christian communities, according to Ibrahim.

Said Angaelos, "The ferocity and the speed with which it all happened... was quite surprising."
Burning of books
A Bible Society of Egypt statement posted online Wednesday reported the "complete burning and destruction" of its bookshops in the cities of Assiut and Minia, in southern Egypt.
"Fortunately we were closed today, fearing such an attack, so none of our staff were injured," said the statement by Ramez Atallah, the society's general director. "The attackers demolished the metal doors protecting the bookshops, broke the store windows behind them and set the bookshops on fire."

Other stores and parked cars on those streets were also destroyed, he wrote.
"It is important to underline that -- while some Christian properties have been the victim of this violence -- they are by no means the only ones targeted," Atallah said.

"This is an attack against the state by a violent minority in an attempt to destabilize the nation."
CNN iReporter Amir Beshay, from Cairo, helped draw up a list of Christian churches and properties reportedly targeted.

On it are sites in Alexandria, Arish, Assiut, Beni Suef, Cairo, Fayoum, Gharbiya, Giza, Minya, Qena, Sohag and Suez. They include churches and schools, as well as homes and businesses belonging to Coptic Christians. CNN has not been able independently to verify the reports.

Asked about the attacks on churches Wednesday, U.S. State Department Spokeswoman Marie Harf said the United States was deeply concerned. "We will continue speaking out against this and continue talking to all parties and all sides about renouncing this violence, about moving forward with a democratic process."

Daniel Sinclair, director of communications at Christian Solidarity Worldwide, said the group was "deeply concerned at the unwarranted and continuing targeting of the Coptic community. We urge the government to ensure comprehensive security to all Egyptians, regardless of their religion."

'Horrible': Christian churches throughout Egypt stormed, torched - CNN.com
 
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Military called for it, the cat is out of the bag which Sisi now has to deal with, this is a meal for him to eat.
 
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Military called for it, the cat is out of the bag which Sisi now has to deal with, this is a meal for him to eat.

I wish we all had access to the quantifiable intelligence you get. Maybe you have something you can put up on wiki leaks :cheesy:

Oh well - its just those darn Christians...never the fault of the radical Islamist.
 
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One Coptic girl was killed also this week very sad
 
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I wish we all had access to the quantifiable intelligence you get. Maybe you have something you can put up on wiki leaks :cheesy:

Oh well - its just those darn Christians...never the fault of the radical Islamist.

Im talking about backlash. They just turned MB into an insurgent movement.
 
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Military called for it, the cat is out of the bag which Sisi now has to deal with, this is a meal for him to eat.

My bro, Someone had to do sth to stop this madness that has been going on for about 3 years. Egyptians stood up for the first time in 2011 after long decades of oppression and corruption, yet they paid dearly to get their own freedom. Afterthen, the revolution which was carried on by youth and poor people who are not members in any parties got hijacked by well organised parties that had little to do with the revolution like the MB and other opportunistics. They failed their very first experience with democracy and elected two candidates who reached the finals, the first was an another Mubarak and the second was an MB. Since most Egyptians knew Mubarak they turned to the MB who won with a slight majority and gave them a chance. Morsi started grabbing power to his own even more power than Mubarak had, and failed to fulfill his promises and yet turned Egyptian lives into worse.

Egyptians realized their mistake and determined to rescue their revolution. Someone had to step in at that moment to bail out the country and no one can do so but only the army. For your information, Egypt lost $83 bn from constant protests, lost state prestige, lack of services, security and almost every single aspect of life has been getting worse.

If Mosri still in power, Egypt will be collapsed.

Nevertheless, Egypt will get better. The peaceful treatment has messed up the country, the other only choice is to restore state prestige by avoiding killing innocents as much as possible. But those who attack and instigate has to be stopped.

Again, there was no other choice.
 
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oh meant you meant- ' military actions lead to this reaction' - LOL. I thought you were saying military did this to churches under the guise of Islamist doing it.

It all looks unreal to me, something is not right, something doesn't make sense, something is cooking that i cant smell right now, even to a keen Egypt watcher like me.
 
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Islamist attacking churches, not a far fetched idea. quite a believable notion.

Remember when we bombed a Madrassa in the tribal belt many years ago which killed something like 70 kids? - It turns out that it wasn't bombed by PAF but was hit by multiple US drone strikes, the video they got from the drone showed IR images of teenagers running in circles and doing weird things, they bombed it believing they were undergoing military training, turned out they were doing PT in the morning. We took responsibility for bombing it because Drone strikes at that time would have been a political disaster for Musharraf. Well that resulted in the formation of TTP.

Now you know what i mean by backlash. Terrorists are a product of unilateral punitive military actions aimed at citizens, once you turn a citizen into a terrorist, he doesn't care about Mosque or Church, Christian or Muslim - for him, they are just 'Targets'.
 
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Remember when we bombed a Madrassa in the tribal belt many years ago which killed something like 70 kids? - It turns out that it wasn't bombed by PAF but was hit by multiple drone strikes, the video they got from the drone showed IR images of teenagers running in circles and doing weird things, they bombed it believing they were undergoing military training, turned out they were doing PT in the morning. We took responsibility for bombing it because Drone strikes at that time would have been a political disaster for Musharraf. Well that resulted in the formation of TTP.

Now you know what i mean by backlash. Terrorists are a product of unilateral punitive military actions aimed at citizens, once you turn a citizen into a terrorist, he doesn't care about Mosque or Church, Christian or Muslim - for him, they are just 'Targets'.

This is apples and oranges though even so if it is true and you can tie TTP to one action. they have attacked churches many a times in Egypt before. there is no confusion here, Islamist do it all over the world - after all they want a pure Islamic only state. It is what it is...
 
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This is apples and oranges though even so if it is true and you can tie TTP to one action. they have attacked churches many a times in Egypt before. there is no confusion here, Islamist do it all over the world - after all they want a pure Islamic only state. It is what it is...

Every violent movement has a 'tipping point' - when they transfer from political/religious extremism to outright armed violence. TTP for instance does not have an agenda, they just kill and give knee jerk reactions. We might be seeing something similar hatching in Egypt.
 
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Every violent movement has a 'tipping point' - when they transfer from political/religious extremism to outright armed violence. TTP for instance does not have an agenda, they just kill and give knee jerk reactions. We might be seeing something similar hatching in Egypt.

this movement by Islamist tipped decades ago. Muslim brotherhood is not recently tipped.
 
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