Honour Killings : The crimewave that shames the world

[RobbieS]

Nothing changed in '400' years, its shame.



Agree with him, The two sons of Guru Gobind, Zorawar (9 years old) and Fateh (7 years old) were bricked up alive within a wall under Aurangzeb's orders, by the Mughal governor of Sarhind when boys refused to convert to Islam.

Its not 'recent' crimewave, Mughals changed Sub Continent forever.

This wasnt necessary GT. You could have avoided making a correlation between the martyrdom of the Guru's sons and honor killings.

 

[gubbi]

This list can easily give a normal human shivers, This thing will only change & stop when humans will act like humans & humanity will not fail itself in the name of fake honor. This male superiority syndrome & My thou great Penis mentality needs to end

Honestly, I see no hope of that ever happening. Those people, especially the women folk are condemned. This "tradition" is so ingrained into the tribal mindset, that young people see it happening in their daily lives and grow up to follow it themselves. They dont understand the concept that its WRONG! Add to that the issue of family property and greed by male members.

& the most disgusting part is that people justify & even deny the existence of this problem, I don't know how sick you can be when you are going to justify murder of daughter by his own father just because she was not wearing Hijab
http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/62157-i-killed-my-daughter-my-hands.html

What does one do when one is betrayed by one's own family? A family who is responsible for your safety, where one grows up believing to be safe under the watchful and vigilant eyes of the elders, the very vigilance which leads to one's murder in the future!

IMHO, religion has nothing to do with such killings. It also prevalent in parts of India. Evidently the perpetrators of such heinous acts are followers of all the major religions!

It has to do with the mentality of people of those particular geographical areas. I still dont understand how and when this concept of "honor killing" began - thats a moot point. But what is disgusting is that its being carried out even in this day and age - under the guise of religion, family or property disputes, or this stupid idiotic concept of "family honor" whatever that honor seems to signify!

Those people are incapable of tolerant, logical thinking and are beneath humanity. Woe to those who think that superiority is based on skin color and physical attributes. Au contraire, superiority is based on thinking ability and the capability to initiate and sustain progress! That is why human beings evolved to this stage and that is also why some civilizations are so far ahead of others! On that note, yes, there are inferior people and they will remain so till they are wiped off the face of this only planet which is known to harbor life!

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Honestly, I see no hope of that ever happening

same here

I don't have more words.....

its all crystal clear but still people choose to ignore & justify this barbarity

 

[Gentle Typhoon]

A Canadian born Sikh girl fell in love with a Rickshaw driver, Mom gave long-distance order for honor killing

Jaswinder Kaur Sidhu, also known as Jassi (August 4, 1975 - June 8, 2000) was a beautician in Maple Ridge, British Columbia, Canada, who was kidnapped, tortured, and killed, on the orders of her mother, Malkiat Kaur and her uncle, Surjit Singh Badesha, near Kaonke Khosa, Ludhiana, Punjab, India.

On a visit to the city of Jagraon, Ludhiana in the Punjab state of India in December 1994, Jassi met and fell in love with Sukhwinder Singh Sidhu (nicknamed Mithu), a Rickshaw driver. They kept in touch over the next four years. In 1999, Jassi made another trip to India with her family. This trip was for the purpose of arranging a marriage for her. Instead, she and Sukhwinder married secretly on March 15, 1999. Her family strongly disapproved of this marriage, and attempted to persuade her to get a divorce by beating her and offering to buy her a car. When those attempts were futile, her family persuaded her to sign a form, falsely telling her that by signing, they will help Sukhwinder come to Canada. Instead, the form was filled with accusations against Sukhwinder. When Jassi discovered that she had been betrayed, she faxed a letter to the Indian Officials stating that the accusations in the form sent earlier were false.

Jassi escaped from her family confinement with help from the RCMP, who escorted her from the residence. She got money from a friend to buy a plane ticket, and flew to India on May 12, 2000, to reunite with Sukhwinder. On June 8, Jassi and Sukhwinder were kidnapped by killers hired by her uncle. Sukhwinder was violently beaten and left to die, while Jassi was taken to an abandoned farmhouse where she was brutally murdered. On June 9, 2000, her body, with the throat slit, was found dumped in an irrigation canal 45 km from Kaonke Khosa. The killers were in contact with Kaur and Badesha by phone, and it was determined by Indian Police that Kaur gave the order to kill Jassi.

 

[somebozo]

We muslims are in reverse gear with medival practices prevaling day by day among us.

 

[Eminem]

A Canadian born Sikh girl fell in love with a Rickshaw driver, Mom gave long-distance order for honor killing

Jaswinder Kaur Sidhu, also known as Jassi (August 4, 1975 - June 8, 2000) was a beautician in Maple Ridge, British Columbia, Canada, who was kidnapped, tortured, and killed, on the orders of her mother, Malkiat Kaur and her uncle, Surjit Singh Badesha, near Kaonke Khosa, Ludhiana, Punjab, India.

On a visit to the city of Jagraon, Ludhiana in the Punjab state of India in December 1994, Jassi met and fell in love with Sukhwinder Singh Sidhu (nicknamed Mithu), a Rickshaw driver. They kept in touch over the next four years. In 1999, Jassi made another trip to India with her family. This trip was for the purpose of arranging a marriage for her. Instead, she and Sukhwinder married secretly on March 15, 1999. Her family strongly disapproved of this marriage, and attempted to persuade her to get a divorce by beating her and offering to buy her a car. When those attempts were futile, her family persuaded her to sign a form, falsely telling her that by signing, they will help Sukhwinder come to Canada. Instead, the form was filled with accusations against Sukhwinder. When Jassi discovered that she had been betrayed, she faxed a letter to the Indian Officials stating that the accusations in the form sent earlier were false.

Jassi escaped from her family confinement with help from the RCMP, who escorted her from the residence. She got money from a friend to buy a plane ticket, and flew to India on May 12, 2000, to reunite with Sukhwinder. On June 8, Jassi and Sukhwinder were kidnapped by killers hired by her uncle. Sukhwinder was violently beaten and left to die, while Jassi was taken to an abandoned farmhouse where she was brutally murdered. On June 9, 2000, her body, with the throat slit, was found dumped in an irrigation canal 45 km from Kaonke Khosa. The killers were in contact with Kaur and Badesha by phone, and it was determined by Indian Police that Kaur gave the order to kill Jassi.

don't you have nothing new to post instead of these (baba aadam ke zamaaney ke articles)lol

 

[DaRk WaVe]

& even more disgusting thing is that in Pakistan these incidents of violence against Women are rising

Violence against women rises by 13% – The Express Tribune

 

[somebozo]

& even more disgusting thing is that in Pakistan these incidents of violence against Women are rising

Violence against women rises by 13% – The Express Tribune

Barbianism against women is given a perfect stamp of approval by self appointed mullahs prevalent in our society who happend to build up prophetic following in every gali and mohallah..

 

[ps80]

No laws no punishment can change & stop the misery that is been inflicted on women in the name of fake honor, that destroys lives of women as well as the lives of other family members

Sadly, this is so true in our countries (read Ind & Pak).

For rich and powerful people, there is no law…and no punishment. With money and power, they can easily manage to escape from law and punishment.

For ordinary people, there is law... and punishment. Hopefully, these morons will get appropriate punishment for their crimes...most likely prison sentence for some years. Is this punishment harsh enough ....looks like NO…hence, no fear of punishment.

Is ‘stoning to death’ the appropriate punishment for these morons?
Stoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[sparklingway]

Robert Fisk: The lie behind mass 'suicides' of Egypt's young women​

Part three of our series demolishes the official claim that Egypt, where a farmer decapitated his own daughter, has no 'honour' killings​

Thursday, 9 September 2010

There's a sewer outside Azza Suleiman's office, a hot ditch in which the ***** of one of Cairo's worst slums has been reduced to a slowly moving swamp of black liquid. A blue mist of exhaust fumes and dust moves down alleyways thick with scarved women, men in white robes, coffee sellers, donkey carts and garbage boys, the five- and six-year-olds who come down from the Mokkatam hills to gather up Cairo's garbage every morning. Some of it feeds their goats and – yes – the pigs bred in the ******* suburbs. A veil of smog lies over this misery. But a veil of a different kind lies over Egypt, a covering which Azza Suleiman is determined to tear away.

Officially, Egypt has no "honour" killings. Young women may commit suicide, yes, but they are never murdered. This is the government line – and of course, it is a lie. The files in Azza Suleiman's Centre for Egyptian Women's Legal Assistance office – and in those of other NGOs in Cairo – tell the truth. In May of 2007, a farmer in southern Egypt decapitated his daughter after discovering she had a boyfriend. In March of 2008, a man identified only as "Mursi" electrocuted and beat to death his 17-year-old daughter because she had received a phone call from her boyfriend. "Mursi", a farmer from Kafr el-Sheikh in the Nile Delta, admitted he "beat her with a large stick" before finishing her off with electric shocks; the murder was only discovered when the body turned up at the local hospital.

Azza Suleiman's work provides much bleaker material. Incest is a major problem which no one will discuss, she says. Recently, an Egyptian man admitted killing his daughter because she was pregnant. But he was the father of his daughter's unborn child. It was a case of incest. But he killed her to protect the family's "honour". Four other women have recently been murdered by their families because they were raped. The Christian Coptic community – perhaps 10 per cent of the Egyptian population – has closed itself off from any "honour" killing investigations even though Christian girls have been murdered because they wanted to marry Muslim men. "Christians cannot talk about this outside the church," Azza Suleiman complains. "We have tried to open up shelters, but the government will not allow it. They say: 'Please, no talk of incest.' And 'honour' crimes are often also related to inheritance."
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In Egypt, according to Amal Abdelhadi of the New Woman Organisation, there are no figures for "honour" crimes or incest because such cases never reach the courts. "You can talk more easily about marital **** here," she says. "I have been in houses where whole families live in one room – grandparents, children, half the family sleeps under the bed at night and they hear everything. It's too close. It's too much. And all the young women in the family have to get married. So if one is thought to have behaved badly, then she can be killed – otherwise, none of the other girls will be able to marry. One 'honour' killing clears the way for them. This will go on as long as women are regarded as sexual objects rather than people with brains."

Egyptian judges are notorious for bending the law – or disregarding it entirely – when faced with family murders. "There was a man sentenced to six months – just six months – for killing his sister," Amal Abdelhadi says. "But the judge decided that since the man will have to live his whole life with the guilt of his killing his innocent sister, he should not go to prison!"

Travelling around the country in her black Nissan 4x4, Azza Suleiman has noticed that judges in upper Egypt – in the poorest and least educated parts of the country – tend to be more lenient than courts in Cairo and Alexandria. And senior Muslim clerics – most of them appalled at what they know is a hidden crisis in Egypt – find their condemnation of "honour" killing hobbled by their own sponsors. Mohamed Sayyid Tantawi, a powerful Islamic scholar who was Grand Mufti of Egypt and Imam of the Al-Azhar mosque and who died last March, confronted "honour" crimes with great courage.

"But we have a big problem here because the Sheikh of Al-Azhar and the Mufti, they are not respected any more," Ms Suleiman says. "They are not trusted. And the reason is that the people know they have been appointed by the Hosni Mubarak government, which is corrupt. Tantawi was an enlightened man. He spoke very well about these murders. But he and the mufti represent the system and the people hate the system, so there is no credibility in them. And so there is a new trend. People go to their local sheikhs and tribal leaders – and many of them believe that 'honour' killings are a tradition and are not wrong."

Then there are the Egyptian courts. "In Lebanon and Jordan, they have articles in law that specifically refer to 'honour' killings. But in Egypt, the judge believes he has a special authority and Article 17 of the law allows judges to use clemency if they wish to reduce sentences – from 25 years, for example, to six months. The religious and traditional background of the judges affects them. They can say that the victim 'acted against tradition'. The murderers – the father or the brother – can therefore be considered as someone who 'acted naturally'. This provides leniency for the perpetrators. Yet our statistics suggest that 79 per cent of the girls who have been victims of 'honour' crimes here were killed out of pure suspicion – because they came home late, or because neighbours said they had seen a girl laughing loudly in the street."

In Sohag and Assiut (in upper Egypt), Azza Suleiman and her colleagues met senior police officers. "But we found that in their books, they transfer 'honour' killings into suicides. They think that by doing this, they are helping the victim's family – even though the family was responsible for the murder. So in these cases, the police have become accomplices of the killers."

Ms Suleiman is no friend of the police. "Sometimes we have three or four cases of incest and we meet with the police. We get the police to talk to the man – sometimes a woman is raped by her brother-in-law. But if a woman runs away, the police often bring the woman back to her family rather than protect her. "When I studied law at Cairo University, I was arrested by the police because I was a friend of activists in the Nasserist network at the university. When I interviewed Islamist women who had been detained, I found they had been tortured. I said this in an interview on the BBC. So the police arrested me again. They said I was 'tarnishing the reputation of Egypt'. The police here are always angry – especially when they have to deal with people who understand the law."

According to Azza Suleiman, foreign NGOs are refused projects if they make politically unacceptable remarks. She says the police have interfered with her social projects, even those intended to improve relations between Christian and Muslim women. "The police rang me and said: 'We will teach you a lesson.' So I said in a newspaper interview: 'The police are like wild dogs.' That's when they stopped our projects. The police asked me to apologise, so I did. I said: "What I said was a mistake – dogs are much nicer than the police."

Robert Fisk: The lie behind mass 'suicides' of Egypt's young women - Robert Fisk, Commentators - The Independent

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Horrific, absolutely horrific, I don't know what has happened to humanity & to the people who are preached morals & education, Absolutely fvcking sick!

The religious and traditional background of the judges affects them. They can say that the victim 'acted against tradition'. The murderers – the father or the brother – can therefore be considered as someone who 'acted naturally'.

wow, Murder is NATURAL, awesome

 

[Patriot]

What are the hell are you smoking Dark Wave?Muslims cannot do this - This must be the work of Yahoodis.A conspiracy to defame Pious Muslims.

 

[Ghostwhowalks]

deplorable, disgusting, barbaric, inhuman.....the perpetrators of these crimes should be publicly punished by giving them a taste of their own medicine- they want to live in a medieval society, so then they should be punished thru medeival means as well.

 

[khanz]

these stories are so sad and make me so angry honour killing famillies deserve the death penalty where is the fatwas against honour killings where are all the mullahs when these things happen ? even these judges are such b@stards I wonder how they sleep at night after their verdicts it's amazing how such an educated people like them can even be so backward.

 

[Patriot]

these stories are so sad and make me so angry honour killing famillies deserve the death penalty where is the fatwas against honour killings where are all the mullahs when these things happen ? even these judges are such b@stards I wonder how they sleep at night after their verdicts it's amazing how such an educated people like them can even be so backward.

These people don't deserve their children just as some people don't deserve Pakistan (Hint: People who sellout - who think we should adopt middle eastern culture for the sake of some half baked theory - you know what i am talking about.Plus those far leftists who think we should dismantle our nuclear program or that we should always listen to US ).