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Honour killing in Pak: Italian-Pakistani Sana Cheema was strangled

What has the confiscation of private property by the state got to do with a man murdering someone?

Really, here's just one example of crime in a socialist state;


Andrei Romanovich Chikatilo
was a Soviet serial killer, nicknamed the Butcher of Rostov, the Red Ripper, and the Rostov Ripper, who committed the sexual assault, murder, and mutilation of at least 52 women


@Desert Fox @Nilgiri

Not to be pendantic, but is there more than one example to prove systematic issues because odds are, there isn't a country in the world without it's own "butcher" criminal seeing as the common denominator in all crime is a human being. There's still a difference between societies where it happens on the fringe and in societies where it's a common/frequent occurrence. Not really any such thing as a society where it'll never ever happen(such a society would have to be non-human).
 
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Not to be pendantic, but is there more than one example to prove systematic issues because odds are, there isn't a country in the world without it's own "butcher" criminal seeing as the common denominator in all crime is a human being. There's still a difference between societies where it happens on the fringe and in societies where it's a common/frequent occurrence. Not really any such thing as a society where it'll never ever happen(such a society would have to be non-human).
The person I was replying to stated that socialism will solve such problems. I showed him that it won't.

@brainiac3397 I was not making a comparison between x and y unlike some other members. I was replying to the commie of pdf, showing him the fallacy of his statement.
 
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The person I was replying to stated that socialism will solve such problems. I showed him that it won't.

@brainiac3397 I was not making a comparison between x and y unlike some other members. I was replying to the commie of pdf, showing him the fallacy of his statement.
Yes socialism is inhumane,barbaric and medieval.
 
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not medieval though
I think the idea of forcefully taking ones personal property as governments and treating it as peoples and not persons is something i find medieval in a sense of backwardness (not literally as socialism wasnt practiced then )
 
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There is no honor in killing your own daughters, bloody chap first bring their families and children to European countries and when children adopt the customs and culture of that country they feel threatened.


If I start posting about India I might run out of time because this type of killings are rampant in India, further you people kill your daughters even in wombs. Stop scoring brownies...

1.3 BILLION vs 200 Millions obviously we have more deaths (per-capita wise we are very less) but THE WAY U pakistanis kills women and children is beyond BARBARISM :angry::angry:

No let-up in ‘honour’ crime
Rafia ZakariaUpdated May 09, 2018
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The writer is an attorney teaching constitutional law.


IT may be hot — swelteringly and terrifyingly hot — in most of the country, but the brisk business of killing women (and some men) in the name of honour continues apace. Some weeks ago, an angry man, mad at his sisters over some domestic dispute, began beating them with a stick. When his 100-year-old grandmother tried to intervene, he began to beat her too. Age is not a factor when it comes to male privilege; when he was done, the century-old grandmother as well as one of his sisters was dead. The other sister lay in critical condition in the hospital.

Take this month. On the very first day of May, a man shot his sister and her alleged paramour to death in Charsadda. In another incident, a young couple in Karachi set out to have dinner with the wife’s family. The two had married of their own will almost two years ago and her family had been upset about the relationship. When the two were returning from the dinner, unknown assailants stopped the rickshaw they were in (the husband was a rickshaw driver) and pumped their bodies with bullets. Both of them died.

In news reports, the police were waiting to contact someone in the husband’s family for filing the FIR because the wife’s family was believed to have been involved in the killing.

These are just the latest stories in Pakistan’s ongoing saga of women and some men being killed in the name of honour. Over the 70-something years for which Pakistan has existed, the country has been busy murdering its own, mostly women and some men, for the ‘crime’ of refusing marriage, imagined relationships in which accusations serve as an excuse for male rage, made-up relationships that assist in covering up crimes to get inheritances or do away with inconvenient neighbours.

A demand can be made for a special investigation unit to probe the motivations behind ‘honour’ killings.

Just about every conflict lends itself to an honour killing, a cover via which the whole neighbourhood and society claps for the killer and looks the other way as investigations languish and justice is shelved.

All this was supposed to have changed, at least a little bit, when parliament passed an anti-honour killing law in 2016. By subjecting those who perpetrate ‘honour’ crimes to at least mandatory life sentences and not permitting the crime to be ‘forgiven’ by the family, it was believed that honour crimes would decrease or even end. The mechanism of collusion, in which family members commit such crimes and then are summarily ‘forgiven’ by other family members, would be done away with.

One hoped that a blow had also been dealt to the idea that a death can be permissible or ‘honourable’. Murder is always murder, and mandatory punishments were a way of underscoring this fact that seemed to be contested in Pakistan.

This hopeful experiment has failed. According to statistics maintained by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, 1,280 people have been murdered in honour crimes since the enactment of the law. Of these, for more than half no FIRs had been registered or there was no information. Obviously, cases in which no FIR is registered do not result in criminal prosecutions. In addition, according to the experts, these numbers, which are based on estimates from the news media and similar sources, are likely underreported. If the actually reported number of ‘honour’ killings is continuing at a furious rate, then the real number may have increased even more.

These cases do not even come within the purview of the new legislation, the purpose of which was to impose mandatory sentences in instances of ‘honour’ crimes. For this to happen, the case has to be classified as an ‘honour’ crime when it is being filed. If it is not classified as such, how can the sentence be applicable? The easy way out, then, is to simply insist that there was some other motivation for the crime.

The result is before us; ‘honour’ crimes (even those actually being classified as such) are continuing to take place. They are, in fact, likely increasing even if many FIRs make no mention of ‘honour’ as a motivation for the crime.

If the fight against honour crimes is real, and Pakistanis have not become so callous as to be completely immune to these reports — to the electrocuting of teenage couples, to the bullet-riddled bodies of dinner guests coming home, to the burned and charred and strangled bodies of women — then a demand must be made for a special investigation unit that looks into the motivations of these killings.

The onus of ensuring that honour killings are actually classified as such and do not evade the mandatory punishment must be on law enforcement. If this is deemed unfeasible for reasons of cost, the time may have come when ‘forgiveness’ for murders is finally done away with. This would mean that all murders would be subject to mandatory sentences, a fact that would reduce not only ‘honour’ crimes but also the overall murder rate in the country as a whole.

Statutory legal systems such as the one in operation in Pakistan do not function well when there is a hodgepodge of rationales, the possibility of punishments that do not involve imprisonment, such as the payment of money or forgiveness, that render the current system handicapped. The only way to end this kind of crime, which kills scores in brutal ways within the country and allots Pakistan a reputation for misogyny and barbarity the world over, is to make sure that these steps are carried out, that laws that do not work are replaced with ones that do.

The writer is an attorney teaching constitutional law.

rafia.zakria@gmail.com

Published in Dawn, May 9th, 2018
https://www.dawn.com/news/1406546/no-let-up-in-honour-crime
 
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1.3 BILLION vs 200 Millions obviously we have more deaths (per-capita wise we are very less) but THE WAY U pakistanis kills women and children is beyond BARBARISM :angry::angry:

No let-up in ‘honour’ crime
Rafia ZakariaUpdated May 09, 2018
Facebook Count16
Twitter Share
5ab18b05bb4dd.jpg

The writer is an attorney teaching constitutional law.


IT may be hot — swelteringly and terrifyingly hot — in most of the country, but the brisk business of killing women (and some men) in the name of honour continues apace. Some weeks ago, an angry man, mad at his sisters over some domestic dispute, began beating them with a stick. When his 100-year-old grandmother tried to intervene, he began to beat her too. Age is not a factor when it comes to male privilege; when he was done, the century-old grandmother as well as one of his sisters was dead. The other sister lay in critical condition in the hospital.

Take this month. On the very first day of May, a man shot his sister and her alleged paramour to death in Charsadda. In another incident, a young couple in Karachi set out to have dinner with the wife’s family. The two had married of their own will almost two years ago and her family had been upset about the relationship. When the two were returning from the dinner, unknown assailants stopped the rickshaw they were in (the husband was a rickshaw driver) and pumped their bodies with bullets. Both of them died.

In news reports, the police were waiting to contact someone in the husband’s family for filing the FIR because the wife’s family was believed to have been involved in the killing.

These are just the latest stories in Pakistan’s ongoing saga of women and some men being killed in the name of honour. Over the 70-something years for which Pakistan has existed, the country has been busy murdering its own, mostly women and some men, for the ‘crime’ of refusing marriage, imagined relationships in which accusations serve as an excuse for male rage, made-up relationships that assist in covering up crimes to get inheritances or do away with inconvenient neighbours.

A demand can be made for a special investigation unit to probe the motivations behind ‘honour’ killings.

Just about every conflict lends itself to an honour killing, a cover via which the whole neighbourhood and society claps for the killer and looks the other way as investigations languish and justice is shelved.

All this was supposed to have changed, at least a little bit, when parliament passed an anti-honour killing law in 2016. By subjecting those who perpetrate ‘honour’ crimes to at least mandatory life sentences and not permitting the crime to be ‘forgiven’ by the family, it was believed that honour crimes would decrease or even end. The mechanism of collusion, in which family members commit such crimes and then are summarily ‘forgiven’ by other family members, would be done away with.

One hoped that a blow had also been dealt to the idea that a death can be permissible or ‘honourable’. Murder is always murder, and mandatory punishments were a way of underscoring this fact that seemed to be contested in Pakistan.

This hopeful experiment has failed. According to statistics maintained by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, 1,280 people have been murdered in honour crimes since the enactment of the law. Of these, for more than half no FIRs had been registered or there was no information. Obviously, cases in which no FIR is registered do not result in criminal prosecutions. In addition, according to the experts, these numbers, which are based on estimates from the news media and similar sources, are likely underreported. If the actually reported number of ‘honour’ killings is continuing at a furious rate, then the real number may have increased even more.

These cases do not even come within the purview of the new legislation, the purpose of which was to impose mandatory sentences in instances of ‘honour’ crimes. For this to happen, the case has to be classified as an ‘honour’ crime when it is being filed. If it is not classified as such, how can the sentence be applicable? The easy way out, then, is to simply insist that there was some other motivation for the crime.

The result is before us; ‘honour’ crimes (even those actually being classified as such) are continuing to take place. They are, in fact, likely increasing even if many FIRs make no mention of ‘honour’ as a motivation for the crime.

If the fight against honour crimes is real, and Pakistanis have not become so callous as to be completely immune to these reports — to the electrocuting of teenage couples, to the bullet-riddled bodies of dinner guests coming home, to the burned and charred and strangled bodies of women — then a demand must be made for a special investigation unit that looks into the motivations of these killings.

The onus of ensuring that honour killings are actually classified as such and do not evade the mandatory punishment must be on law enforcement. If this is deemed unfeasible for reasons of cost, the time may have come when ‘forgiveness’ for murders is finally done away with. This would mean that all murders would be subject to mandatory sentences, a fact that would reduce not only ‘honour’ crimes but also the overall murder rate in the country as a whole.

Statutory legal systems such as the one in operation in Pakistan do not function well when there is a hodgepodge of rationales, the possibility of punishments that do not involve imprisonment, such as the payment of money or forgiveness, that render the current system handicapped. The only way to end this kind of crime, which kills scores in brutal ways within the country and allots Pakistan a reputation for misogyny and barbarity the world over, is to make sure that these steps are carried out, that laws that do not work are replaced with ones that do.

The writer is an attorney teaching constitutional law.

rafia.zakria@gmail.com

Published in Dawn, May 9th, 2018
https://www.dawn.com/news/1406546/no-let-up-in-honour-crime
Indian Minister Says 2,000 Girls Are Killed Across the Country Every Day.

time.com/3830874/2000-girls-killed-every-day-india-minister/
 
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Indian Minister Says 2,000 Girls Are Killed Across the Country Every Day.

time.com/3830874/2000-girls-killed-every-day-india-minister/

FROM WHEN MERE WORDS from a Minister became GOD'S words for Western PROPAGANDA MEDIA and their worshipers like u ? ... :rofl:

PS:Topic is about Pakistan stick to it.
 
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Again and again

Man kills sister over ‘honour’ in Sara-i-Alamgir: report
8 HOURS AGO BY MONITORING REPORT
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GUJRAT: A man killed his 22-year-old sister over “honour” in Phagal village in Bulani police precincts, Sara-i-Alamgir tehsil, some 60-kilometres away from Gujrat, reporteda local English newspaper.

In her complaint to the police, the mother, Zubeda Kausar, stated that her son Sheraz Raasib (22) had been stopping her sister Faiza (21) from talking to a man on the telephone. Faiza did not adhere to the warnings by Sheraz, the complaint read, adding that on Tuesday Sheraz opened fire on his sister, killing her on the spot, and fled the scene.

The police have handed the body back to the family after postmortem as further investigations are underway.
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2018/05/09/man-kills-sister-over-honour-in-sara-i-alamgir-report/
please show the same interest in Indias world record level of crimes against women

Yes Pakisatanis should taken lessons from Indian monkeys of how to treat women with honour and respect :lol:

In India A Woman is Raped Every 20 Minutes
https://news.sky.com/story/india-a-woman-raped-every-20-minutes-10459899


Indians are the world champions of honour killings and rape

Honour Killings Reported In India Have Increased By 796% In A Year
https://www.huffingtonpost.in/2016/...dia-have-increased-by-796-in-a-ye_a_21622177/



India 'honour killings': Paying the price for falling in love
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-24170866


'Honour' crimes in India: An assault on women's autonomy
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/o...a-assault-women-autonomy-180314090856246.html
 
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If you don't want your children to be westernized then don't send them to the western countries. Asia is the future west is dying.
 
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Really, here's just one example of crime in a socialist state;

Andrei Romanovich Chikatilo
was a Soviet serial killer, nicknamed the Butcher of Rostov, the Red Ripper, and the Rostov Ripper, who committed the sexual assault, murder, and mutilation of at least 52 women
But but but according to @jamahir there is no such thing as criminals in a socialist paradise because every rapist gets his fair share of rape victims :cry:, you know, the whole "equal" distribution schtick.

If you don't want your children to be westernized then don't send them to the western countries. Asia is the future west is dying.
Indeed. Though some Asian countries are Westernized to an extent (Korea, Japan, and China to a lesser degree)
 
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Many parts of Pakistan are still third world h3llh0l3s. People who are supporters of honor killings should be treated same way as the person who commits honor killing.

Education is the key to solves tons of problems Pakistan is facing.
 
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there is no place for such animals in our society , best to hang them .. and burn their bodies
 
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@James-bond
Yes Pakisatanis should taken lessons from Indian monkeys of how to treat women with honour and respect :lol:

In India A Woman is Raped Every 20 Minutes
https://news.sky.com/story/india-a-woman-raped-every-20-minutes-10459899


Indians are the world champions of honour killings and rape

Honour Killings Reported In India Have Increased By 796% In A Year
https://www.huffingtonpost.in/2016/...dia-have-increased-by-796-in-a-ye_a_21622177/



India 'honour killings': Paying the price for falling in love
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-24170866


'Honour' crimes in India: An assault on women's autonomy
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/o...a-assault-women-autonomy-180314090856246.html
 
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Never understood this honor killing nonsense that involves killing your own family members. I mean, how absurd is that? "Protecting" the honor of your family by murdering your own family as part of the process? All that shows is that you have such little value for family that you're not above killing them because of what others might think.

In fact, what kind of honor is it when you're so insecure that the opinions of the community dictate how you treat your family? I don't know about others, but I firmly believe in family > community and that means if the community has a problem with it, they can blow off.

Honor killing is essentially a Capitalist crime because the family doesn't want itself to be communally boycotted in a social and economic sense by the rest of the village or community. In South Asia, such a communal boycott is called "Hookah paani bandh" which literally means stoppage of tobacco and water.

Such a crime will not happen in a Socialist society where communitarian/collective thought is enforced by the state and the citizen has to obey the idea that he should also think of the welfare of his neighbor.

In Capitalism, it is every man for himself. No collective thought.

Because socialism = 1 death × 100 million and above.

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Do you mean to say that one death in non-Socialist societies == 100 million deaths in Socialist societies??

We need a system of true justice based on authority, hierarchy (& thus merit) and justice. Not some utopian pipe dream like socialism.

Right, like Nazism, one of whose heroes serves as your user-name.

The person I was replying to stated that socialism will solve such problems. I showed him that it won't.

Socialism is not only about the State confiscating private factories etc. It is about setting up a progressive social, economic and political system. Progressive as understood using common sense.

But but but according to @jamahir there is no such thing as criminals in a socialist paradise because every rapist gets his fair share of rape victims :cry:, you know, the whole "equal" distribution schtick.

I never said that crime does not appear in Socialist societies. I merely said that in the USSR, murder was considered a Capitalist crime. @Psychic mentioned a psychopath from the USSR. According to the internet, he was executed by the State by firing squad.

As for the tag of "Socialist paradise", well, all Socialist societies have been living experiments. And it is acceptable to say that in Socialist societies, crimes do not/did not occur with the same frequency as in Capitalist societies.

Yes socialism is inhumane,barbaric and medieval.

not medieval though

Let me add that Islam was among the older Socialist movements.

If you don't want your children to be westernized then don't send them to the western countries. Asia is the future west is dying.

Are you supporting this honor killing??
 
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