Hong Kong Police Douse Mosque & Protesters In Blue Dye

[Itachi]

You're right.

It was an explanation of your mindset.

Personal insults won't get you far on PDF.

Either debate my points or don't quote me at all. A lot of pro-Chinese PDF'ian's have been banned for personal insults and worse lately.

 

[SingHee]

Personal insults won't get you far on PDF.

Either debate my points or don't quote me at all. A lot of pro-Chinese PDF'ian's have been banned for personal insults and worse lately.

You made it personal, and now I'm to blame. You're also attaching me to Chinese interests, when nothing I said has anything to do with it. The key word being common sense, and that most people here will have it.

I suggest you stop quoting me, as I clearly had no intention of quoting you.

 

[Itachi]

You made it personal, and now I'm to blame. You're also attaching me to Chinese interests, when nothing I said has anything to do with it. The key word being common sense, and that most people here will have it.

I suggest you stop quoting me, as I clearly had no intention of quoting you.

You're in my thread, rambling off of tangents, not even discussing the topic at hand and then you start getting personal.

I suggest you stop visiting my threads, as you clearly don't know how to use PDF & engage in discussions.

 

[waz]

For all those saying it was a "deliberate" act or fault of the protestors...you guys need to reread the whole article and look at the tweets.

The protestors were right outside the Mosque heck they weren't even "protestors" but reporters as you can see in the videos.

The HK police acted heavy handed by the use of a blue dye. Why use it in the first place?? Why not a water cannon??

It's speculated that the dye was used since it's hard to take off so that the people could be id'ed later.

As you can see in the OP's post, the protestors/locals came to help clean up the mosque. No police was seen cleaning up the mess. Although they did offer a apology, that too according to some twitter handles, if someone can link a official apology that'll settle the matter.



I don't see the Police cleaning up the mess, got a source?

At around 9:40pm, police representatives arrived on the scene to give an explanation to the Imams. Officers also brought buckets with them to clean the building, but left after five minutes.


The Muslim Council of Hong Kong released a statement saying it understood that the mosque was not deliberately targeted.


https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/10/...-water-cannon-blue-dye-community-leaders-say/

 

[beijingwalker]

 

[Menthol]

I don't think the Muslims don't see the whole picture of the incident.

The writer is trying so hard for something.

 

[bbccdd1470]

What are you rambling about......nothing you wrote discusses any part of the article, the videos or the tweet in this thread.

You do know there was more than a hundred petrol bombs were thrown by the rioters yesterday, and that area was one of the heaviest hit area. The police already warned all the people to leave the area before using the water cannon. The using of blue dye is because those rioters are using guerrilla tactic where they throw a petrol bomb and left, and return later to throw another one, so the police have to use the blue dye to identify them. The police was clearing that area and why were they still there. Normal people will not be there and already leave, since that area became unsafe due to the rioters were destroying shops and infrastructure, setting fire, throwing petrol bombs.

Also the police can't identify who is who, everyone there is potential suspects since rioters can prevent they are just bystanders and throw a petrol bomb to the police car after the police car pass them. And funniest thing is why an Indian was doing an interview in front of a Mosque while police already asked the people to leave and was clearing the streets.

 

[TheNoob]

Ah well.
if theres one thing the PTSD-driven American population taught me is to hate everything red.

 

[Itachi]

I don't think the Muslims don't see the whole picture of the incident.

The writer is trying so hard for something.

So can you explain the whole picture to us?

You do know there was more than a hundred petrol bombs were thrown by the rioters yesterday, and that area was one of the heaviest hit area. The police already warned all the people to leave the area before using the water cannon. The using of blue dye is because those rioters are using guerrilla tactic where they throw a petrol bomb and left, and return later to throw another one, so the police have to use the blue dye to identify them. The police was clearing that area and why were they still there. Normal people will not be there and already leave, since that area became unsafe due to the rioters were destroying shops and infrastructure, setting fire, throwing petrol bombs.

Also the police can't identify who is who, everyone there is potential suspects since rioters can prevent they are just bystanders and throw a petrol bomb to the police car after the police car pass them. And funniest thing is why an Indian was doing an interview in front of a Mosque while police already asked the people to leave and was clearing the streets.

No one cares what was happening in other parts of HK. The police have the right to use whatever tactic they want to as long as they don't kill anyone.

On the other hand, as you can see in the videos posted in the first post of this thread, the blue dye cannon was used against reporters and people just standing near/infront of the Mosque.

They weren't seen in riot gear or petrol bombs but with cameras and phones in their hands because of which we know about this whole incident.

Please try not to skew the whole incident and blame the protestors. This incident was caused by the heavy handedness of the police.

I appreciate the fact that the Police apologized though.

Ah well.
if theres one thing the PTSD-driven American population taught me is to hate everything red.

Here again, you're showing your bias.

Americans that suffer through PTSD are in a tiny minority yet you paint the brush over the whole population.

Do love Communism?? You see what happened in the Former Soviet Republics when they were in the Soviet Union??

Islam was suppressed, people for forced into gulags, forced to move etc etc.

You should love your own country before any other. And a Islamic way of life, rather than a atheist communistic way of life.

 

[TheNoob]

Here again, you're showing your bias.

Americans that suffer through PTSD are in a tiny minority yet you paint the brush over the whole population.

Do love Communism?? You see what happened in the Former Soviet Republics when they were in the Soviet Union??

Islam was suppressed, people for forced into gulags, forced to move etc etc.

You should love your own country before any other. And a Islamic way of life, rather than a atheist communistic way of life.

I don't exactly have any bias.
My type of ideal system is Swedish, or Norway, or any of the top performing Nordic countries really.

Besides, when you speak of communism.
There's too many Its hard to even pick.

I don't know which communism you want me to have the perspective from, really.
But I am sure as hell not taking any advice from a western centric PoV towards a system/people they so inherently hate.

History taught me that, still does actually.

So if there is one communist country i think is doing well, from what i have seen and visited, is China.
Heck, even Vietnam now is a good example, honestly.

The only one here with a bias is you, sadly.
Judging from replies, nothing against you, bro.

 

[Itachi]

I don't exactly have any bias.
My type of ideal system is Swedish, or Norway, or any of the top performing Nordic countries really.

Besides, when you speak of communism.
There's too many Its hard to even pick.

I don't know which communism you want me to have the perspective from, really.
But I am sure as hell not taking any advice from a western centric PoV towards a system/people they so inherently hate.

History taught me that, still does actually.

So if there is one communist country i think is doing well, from what i have seen and visited, is China.
Heck, even Vietnam now is a good example, honestly.

The only one here with a bias is you, sadly.
Judging from replies, nothing against you, bro.

China has killed millions under Mao and before him to achieve this economic parity.

You think Pakistan should do the same??

You said that you like the Nordic way of life but forget that the best way of life & governance is written in the Quran??

All communist countries share the same baseline, although they may diverge on certain parts. They're mostly (if not all) Atheist, don't care about their people, not many freedoms and require great sacrifices from their people.

Look at how many people died under Stalin and Mao and you'll see what Communism is.

 

[TheNoob]

China has killed millions under Mao and before him to achieve this economic parity.

You think Pakistan should do the same??

You said that you like the Nordic way of life but forget that the best way of life & governance is written in the Quran??

All communist countries share the same baseline, although they may diverge on certain parts. They're mostly (if not all) Atheist, don't care about their people, not many freedoms and require great sacrifices from their people.

Look at how many people died under Stalin and Mao and you'll see what Communism is.

China or whatever country has killed so many according to the Western PoV.
Nobody will know the truth.

Given the nature of communist system, the transition is what kills people.
mass famine when resources shift from a once capitalist/wealthy segment of society goes and spreads thin to the rest of the people equally is what kills them. (That's what I've gathered from the pattern during the shift).

Maybe it could be due to the extremist views of the communists at the time as well.

Ofcourse, that sort of research I did was back in my teenage so I can't really make up a fundamental opinion on it now, maybe sometime when this gets interesting.
Plus,
I usually dont take Stalin as an example, mainly because the retard decided to take turn towards the worst damaging his own country and people to the point where after his death the party decided to de-stalinize his remaining influence.

But that's in the past now.
Maos China and current China, are two different things.
Next China, we'll see when the party transitions to a new Chairman, but until then.
I have a favorable view of China, given its recent successes and development.


Oh by the way, one more thing.
I'm not exactly fond of the so called islamic way of life, especially when the clergy in our country takes hold of whatever religion we're following.

That sort of ideology doesn't fit well with me, so you can say i'm a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to favoring China yet hating on the clergy.

 

[Itachi]

China or whatever country has killed so many according to the Western PoV.
Nobody will know the truth.

Given the nature of communist system, the transition is what kills people.
mass famine when resources shift from a once capitalist/wealthy segment of society goes and spreads thin to the rest of the people equally is what kills them. (That's what I've gathered from the pattern during the shift).

Maybe it could be due to the extremist views of the communists at the time as well.

Ofcourse, that sort of research I did was back in my teenage so I can't really make up a fundamental opinion on it now, maybe sometime when this gets interesting.
Plus,
I usually dont take Stalin as an example, mainly because the retard decided to take turn towards the worst damaging his own country and people to the point where after his death the party decided to de-stalinize his remaining influence.

But that's in the past now.
Maos China and current China, are two different things.
Next China, we'll see when the party transitions to a new Chairman, but until then.
I have a favorable view of China, given its recent successes and development.


Oh by the way, one more thing.
I'm not exactly fond of the so called islamic way of life, especially when the clergy in our country takes hold of whatever religion we're following.

That sort of ideology doesn't fit well with me, so you can say i'm a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to favoring China yet hating on the clergy.

Modern China is the result of Mao's China.

There is still the Uyghur issue. Many minorities have been persecuted in "Modern China"....have you heard of the Falun Gong?

The Falun Gong started as another spiritual movement in China but as they gained more and more members, the CCP started seeing them as a threat and started persecuting them. Mind you, most of the Falun Gong were Han Chinese, which form majority of China.

You should read up on the Falun Gong. Not only them and the Uyghurs but the Hui, Christians and many others have been and continue to be persecuted in China.

I'm not a China hater, I actually love the Chinese people but it's the government(s) that I hate, as do most people.

Going back to the religious clergy, your pov is distorted by those that assert authority through the misuse of Islam.

In a proper Islamic Republic, that doesn't happen. Look at the start of Islamic History, the Rashidun Caliphates. Weren't they an epitome of human governance??

Nordic and many Western governments have taken ideas from the Rashidun Caliphates, as you know or should look into.

That sort of ideology doesn't fit well with me, so you can say i'm a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to favoring China yet hating on the clergy.

I won't call you a hypocrite but you are contradicting yourself.

The CCP is just a atheist clergy although filled with intelligent people. Actually, one can say that they're worse than a religious clergy since they offer no form of freedoms, have mass surveillance installed & also have Xi Jinping whose almost a dictator by now.

And don't forget about Social Credit.

 

[dBSPL]

There is a huge bombardment of propaganda in the Western media about the HK incidents. But if you ask my personal opinion, the current state of HK is a symbol of British occupation. Even in the discourse of HK protests, we see the reflections of this. The Chinese state should reclaim the autonomous status of the region without bow down to international pressures.

 

[TheNoob]

This could be an interesting thing we can discuss between ourselves, our views. Actually.
Of course, in no way we are going to convince each other that one is better than the other because at the end of the day.
They're all one and the same in different shapes and form.

Although I wouldn't wanna drag it any longer than this reply, given its 3AM and i'm tired as hell. Lol

I won't call you a hypocrite but you are contradicting yourself.

The CCP is just a atheist clergy although filled with intelligent people. Actually, one can say that they're worse than a religious clergy since they offer no form of freedoms, have mass surveillance installed & also have Xi Jinping whose almost a dictator by now.

Starting with this, You are right.
They are one and the same in different form.

While a religious clergy is more or less caters with a view of the population which obviously, seem to be more acceptable in your view than from a minority that the people will not accept. (I'm correct on this part, yes?)

But what I think is that the middle ground for the CCP is that they are not religious at all, so they are more or less neutral in front of the varying views and spiritual ideologies that people may have.

Both are better depending on where it is applied but in case of China, CCP is fine. The centralized system is very effective and has promoted growth over the years.

Modern China is the result of Mao's China.

Be that as it may, but the present is not the past.
Just like Jinnah's Pakistan is not the modern Pakistan.

There is still the Uyghur issue. Many minorities have been persecuted in "Modern China"....have you heard of the Falun Gong?

Most of the Uyghur issue right now is only triumphed by the west whenever the foreign politics allows it to do so to gain some sort of a political edge, I believe.
So whatever nowadays comes in, is hardly believable.

As for the Falun Gong, I did read about it a few years back, but I don't exactly remember the political situation it was in with the govt then.
The most I can muster up is that the T-Square massacre that the west has always made synonyms with China to always gain some sort of sympathy against them.

That's the most legitimate thing I can pull up.
everything else, regarding the current controversies of organ harvest, reeducation schools, etc are too hard to believe. Mainly because the only time they are brought up when theres a political confrontation with China.

Well, all in all, the Uyghur region is heavily developed now, both in society and infrastructure.
Of course, the religion is ones personal matter there still. (As it should be)

(Do note that the opponent here I'm mentioning is the US mainly, following its closely allied states)

Anyway, that about the Falun Gang.
Anything that puts up a heated confrontation with the state is usually always met with stiff resistance, obviously.
Not that I blame them, as it tends to hamper the unity both within the state and the govt.
I don't blame either side when it comes to those moments.
(I will not apply this PoV to the HK Protests though, I have a differing mindset currently regarding this particular one)

Going back to the religious clergy, your pov is distorted by those that assert authority through the misuse of Islam.

In a proper Islamic Republic, that doesn't happen. Look at the start of Islamic History, the Rashidun Caliphates. Weren't they an epitome of human governance??

Distorted yes, but its mainly because of how the society in Pakistan is.
So, you can't blame me for taking it too personally there.
I am an ousted minority, if anything.

Nordic and many Western governments have taken ideas from the Rashidun Caliphates, as you know or should look into.

They are a mix of many socio-economic ideals.
And I really like them for that, really a role model.

And one more thing about why I don't like the American liberal system is because of the huge disparity that forms between the classes of society.
I think a good example right now is Chile.
Those people have gone mad mainly because of the wealth gap and the cost of living.


but then again, when you talk of systems and stuff.
Theres really so much to it that you can or can not like each and every bit of every system.
So why not take the parts you like and form that?

There is a huge bombardment of propaganda in the Western media about the HK incidents. But if you ask my personal opinion, the current state of HK is a symbol of British occupation. Even in the discourse of HK protests, we see the reflections of this. The Chinese state should reclaim the autonomous status of the region without bow down to international pressures.

Exactly how it is!

I've stopped believing anything about China from the western perspective since its mostly just hate-mongering propaganda that aims to only make you hate it.

China needs to handle this carefully.