Honeywell adds precision to Indian-made Weapons

[janon]

Yep, thanks!

In fact I was talking about Indian Artillery shells. Imay be wrong but till date I did not see one with control surfaces to control/ change trajectory/ path.

I would like to know this as well. Since our artillery shells and rockets don't have control surfaces, how exactly can they be guided? All the descriptions of Honeywell TALIN suggest that it is meant to be mounted on IFVs and other land vehicles, for accurate navigation in places where GPS signals may be jammed or otherwise unavailable. As for shells and rockets, from what I understand, TALIN provides motion sensing, and would therefore be useful for positioning the gun and finding an optimal firinf solution - in other words, fire control. I don't think it is meant to be strapped to a rocket to turn the rocket into a cruise missile.

Simply put, it will act as a fire control system for Pinaka and artillery systems, and will not be placed on each individual rocket or shell. It performs the same function as a fire control radar.

Fire-control radar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...g44T9thphtCKbf8GQh5wgbg&bvm=bv.76943099,d.c2E

 

[sms]

I would like to know this as well. Since our artillery shells and rockets don't have control surfaces, how exactly can they be guided? All the descriptions of Honeywell TALIN suggest that it is meant to be mounted on IFVs and other land vehicles, for accurate navigation in places where GPS signals may be jammed or otherwise unavailable. As for shells and rockets, from what I understand, TALIN provides motion sensing, and would therefore be useful for positioning the gun and finding an optimal firinf solution - in other words, fire control. I don't think it is meant to be strapped to a rocket to turn the rocket into a cruise missile.

Simply put, it will act as a fire control system for Pinaka and artillery systems, and will not be placed on each individual rocket or shell. It performs the same function as a fire control radar.

Fire-control radar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http://aerospace.honeywell.com/~/media/Products/Navigation%20Systems%20and%20Sensors/Sensors%20and%20Inertial%20Products/TALIN_500.ashx&ei=p9gyVNPPCJSUuASgr4LYDA&usg=AFQjCNG9DQhg44T9thphtCKbf8GQh5wgbg&bvm=bv.76943099,d.c2E

I may be wrong, but this not FCR. Fire control Radar cannot get error probability of few inches at or beyond 60 KM

 

[janon]

I may be wrong, but this not FCR. Fire control Radar cannot get error probability of few inches at or beyond 60 KM

No it's not a radar. I said it will perform the same function as a FCR, which is to direct artillery fire.

The point is that (If I'm not mistaken) this system will be mounted on a vehicle or arty gun or rocket launcher, not on the ammunition itself. For the US army, this kit was provided to be mounted on all their IFVs.

Check out this PDF, and how it is worded. It is clearly meant to be mounted on the platform, not the ammo. If only it were that simple to convert cheap rockets and shells into cruise missiles!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-IH4Dg&usg=AFQjCNGQnkB6KjMJ0piwqVDNEpsYTZcHew

 

[$even]

@janon I can't post links Google search and find the DARPA press release dated July 24, 2014
BEYOND GPS: 5 NEXT-GENERATION TECHNOLOGIES FOR POSITIONING, NAVIGATION & TIMING (PNT)

 

[janon]

@janon I can't post links Google search and find the DARPA press release dated July 24, 2014
BEYOND GPS: 5 NEXT-GENERATION TECHNOLOGIES FOR POSITIONING, NAVIGATION & TIMING (PNT)

2014/07/24 Beyond GPS: 5 Next-Generation Technologies for Positioning, Navigation & Timing (PNT)

That page is explaining in general terms about a future in which they don't have to rely on GPS. There is no info about TALIN in particular.

 

[$even]

That page is explaining in general terms about a future in which they don't have to rely on GPS. There is no info about TALIN in particular.

Yes but it explains how the Americans succeeded in miniaturizing Intertial navigation systems. You can fit six Micro-PNT on a one cent coin. The military implications of such a systems isn't limited to precision guided airtillery shells or rockets, small enough to fit on large caliber round it means a a sniper does not have to worry about wind or elevation just fire in the general direction of the target all you need is the targets GPS coordinates. TALIN is not as small and not as advance as the Micro-PNT so no real surprise that the Americans have now made the TALIN available to us.
The application of the TALIN is precision guidance of munitions where a GPS signal is only needed for initial position and for drift corrections as and when required. Assuming of course that the munition has control surfaces to course correct.

1. Micro-PNT leverages extreme miniaturization made possible by DARPA-developed micro-electromechanical systems (MEMS) technology. Micro-PNT comprises a portfolio of diverse efforts collectively devoted to develop highly stable and precise chip-scale gyroscopes, clocks and complete integrated timing and inertial measurement devices. DARPA researchers have fabricated a prototype with three gyroscopes, three accelerometers and a highly accurate master clock on a chip that fits easily on the face of a penny. The self-calibrating, high-performance and cost-effective microscale sensors that DARPA is developing could offer tremendous size, weight and power (SWAP) improvements over existing sensors.

 

[HariPrasad]

Is it just me or any body else also think that its just the assembly contract of the ktting items despatched from the plant from US.......

I don't belive US is actually providing this hitech tech. to us.

They may have taken decision after seeing GOM3 cheap we used in brahmos. That cheap is also a fu***ng cheap weighing 17 gms and guides the missile very accurately to target within less than 5 m of target. It has now obviate the need of seeker.

US do not provide us anything unless we get it or near to get it.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

@SanjeevaniButi tactical and strategic weapons have certain degree of differences based on the autonomy you want to achieve.

There is a reason why captain said it won't be used in nirbhay and brahmos. You need to know the dynamics of it.

You are absolutely right there. The Op. Reqmts. are different, the Op. Parameters are different and thus the designs are different. Nirbhay Brahmos and Prahaar have already got their guidance systems well in place, all that will happen is that they will get progressively tweaked.

Another thing that we need to look at is the connect of Tata Power SED as both a manufacturer/fabricator and integrator of Pinaka systems.
Just as Tata Power SED is a bidder in the Gun/Howitzer Program. So, connect the dots.

 

[Dash]

You are absolutely right there. The Op. Reqmts. are different, the Op. Parameters are different and thus the designs are different. Nirbhay Brahmos and Prahaar have already got their guidance systems well in place, all that will happen is that they will get progressively tweaked.

Another thing that we need to look at is the connect of Tata Power SED as both a manufacturer/fabricator and integrator of Pinaka systems.
Just as Tata Power SED is a bidder in the Gun/Howitzer Program. So, connect the dots.

Thats right too an Its obvious for TATA SEDto have that arrangement. But Captain do you agree with the article, or is there a slightest scope of this instrument getting fitted in Dumb bombs and other unguided munitions apart from laser guided ones. coz I dont think so.

I am not going to the technicality of it, but just thinking will the forces be interested? trying to get an idea how tese kind of system would benifit us overally.