Homosexuality is Unnatural

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What biological/genetic complications? Who will get indulged into incest for reproduction purposes? Besides incest wont be restricted between two opposite sexes, for the sole purpose or intentions is 'pleasure'. Secondly, the gist of your argument 'what harm if done with consent' applies as much to pedophilia and incest. What harm if I sleep with my mother or under-age daughter so long we are mutually agreed? What tangible harm such a relationship will cause to the society? Though one would like to define what exactly is 'tangible'.

On biological disadvantages of incest, see link:Inbreeding, Incest, and the Incest Taboo: The State of Knowledge at the Turn ... - Arthur P. Wolf - Google Books

Though I will argue that if procreation and the chance of biological defects can be minimized to the level of non incestuous relationships, go for it!

On sexual relationships with children, I can't believe you actually need me to explain it to you. Most children cannot make a rational objective decision about engaging in sexual intercourse, especially when an adult (relative or not) is manipulating them into it. Laws against Pedophilia are designed to prevent such sexual exploitation and the physical and mental damge that they cause and correctly classify sexual relationships between a child and an adult as rape.

 

[NaMaloom]

Strange being straight is natural and being gay is natural as well lol

straight seem natural if we look at evolutionary perspective but gays?

Yes, why not? NO ONE ever said being straight or being homosexual are mutually exclusive factors in nature. There are 1500 species on this planet that exhibit homosexual behavior; they certainly have not gone extinct but have prospered just as their heterosexual counterparts.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

no i was asking how two opposite choices can boht be natural

Opposites ARE natural!

Day Night
Life Death
etc etc

 

[livingdead]

I am not familiar with all these options will change flag to India

It is a problem, but not unnatural. Human has not reached that level of science through modern science to call something natural or unnatural

how do you know? are you in anyway reated to that field( researcher/journalist/enthusiast)

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

How stupid are you really? Cousins share almost the same gene pool. Learn something before farting from your mouth, it stinks.

Its you who is farting from mouth the way lanaguge you use. You are looking at cousin marriage through Hindu perspective. Incest is defined as the sexual relations between two people of close blood relation. However it has a different definition depending on the jurisdiction you perform it in

 

[Midas]

how do you know? are you in anyway reated to that field( researcher/journalist/enthusiast)

anything which we call supernatural or unnatural is beyond the explanation as per my knowledge.

 

[NaMaloom]

Its you who is farting from mouth the way lanaguge you use. You are looking at cousin marriage through Hindu perspective. Incest is defined as the sexual relations between two people of close blood relation. However it has a different definition depending on the jurisdiction you perform it in

I am looking at cousin marriage through SCIENTIFIC perspective. That's the ONLY perspective that matters when it comes to genetic disorders. Go to a library if one exists in your mohallah and read up some scientific research for starters. Or use the internet, instead of displaying your ignorance on Defence.pk and watching ****.

 

[livingdead]

anything which we call supernatural or unnatural is beyond the explanation as per my knowledge.

people are not calling it supernatural, they are calling it unnatural. you need information/knowledge to have a basis on which you can call it unnatural.

 

[syedali73]

On biological disadvantages of incest, see link:Inbreeding, Incest, and the Incest Taboo: The State of Knowledge at the Turn ... - Arthur P. Wolf - Google Books

Though I will argue that if procreation and the chance of biological defects can be minimized to the level of non incestuous relationships, go for it!

On sexual relationships with children, I can't believe you actually need me to explain it to you. Most children cannot make a rational objective decision about engaging in sexual intercourse, especially when an adult (relative or not) is manipulating them into it. Laws against Pedophilia are designed to prevent such sexual exploitation and the physical and mental damge that they cause and correctly classify sexual relationships between a child and an adult as rape.

I am a biologist playing with DNA from 1996 so perhaps know a thing or two about genes and genetics. The disadvantages of incest are know though they are blown out of proportion. If they were too obvious or as common, half of the 1.7 billion Muslims who allegedly practices 'incest' aka cousin marriage would have born with all sorts of congenital defects. At any rate, the point of debate was/is not repercussions of incest but how far we want to go with our freedom of choice based on mutual consent and apparently no tangible harm to society.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Opposites ARE natural!

Day Night
Life Death
etc etc

It sound as if homosexuals just started being homosexuals and that they are some new race who just recently got the right of marriage

 

[fallstuff]

Strange being straight is natural and being gay is natural as well lol

straight seem natural if we look at evolutionary perspective but gays?

The gay folks are not being produced in the labs. They are a product of nature, however unusual their sexual preference may be. Therefore, by default what they do is natural, uncommon ( supposedly 5% of the population), but natural.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

I am looking at cousin marriage through SCIENTIFIC perspective. That's the ONLY perspective that matters when it comes to genetic disorders. Go to a library if one exists in your mohallah and read up some scientific research for starters. Or use the internet, instead of displaying your ignorance on Defence.pk and watching ****.

I put you idiot on ignore unless you learn some manner of converstaion

 

[Midas]

people are not calling it supernatural, they are calling it unnatural. you need information/knowledge to have a basis on which you can call it unnatural.

What is natural? Few peole have developed a system and if things go according to that system it is natural. If not it is unnatural?

Is nature is confined by the rules or system and definition made by humans?

 

[niaz]

Since sexual act is essentially an act for the continuation of the human race; one can safely say that it is natural to be heterosexual and unnatural to be homosexual.

Regarding incest: all those who truly believe in Islam, Christianity or Judaism must also believe that we are all descended from Adam. Hence in the ancient past of human history, marriage among brothers & sisters must been common; simply because all the male & female children were closely related. Forbidding marriage between siblings/close relations is thus result of hundreds of thousands of years’ experience which is also vindicated by the medical science.

I also realize that among the humans, sex is not used solely for reproduction; in fact it is one of the most pleasurable past times of the human race. And even though same gender sex (whether male or female) is unnatural; there are aberrations in nature and some member of the human species are attracted to members of the same sex.

Therefore, even though I am personally against homosexual practice and I wouldn’t want it to become legal in Pakistan; I am against ostracizing homosexuals.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I am a biologist playing with DNA from 1996 so perhaps know a thing or two about genes and genetics. The disadvantages of incest are know though they are blown out of proportion. If they were too obvious or as common, half of the 1.7 billion Muslims who allegedly practices 'incest' aka cousin marriage would have born with all sorts of congenital defects. At any rate, the point of debate was/is not repercussions of incest but how far we want to go with our freedom of choice based on mutual consent and apparently no tangible harm to society.

Then I am Barack Obama. Or your standards (for practicing medicine) are ridiculously low. No less.