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America can't step back now from war in AF, until Taliban are not destroyed. too late for that.
In that case it is not up to us...
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America can't step back now from war in AF, until Taliban are not destroyed. too late for that.
No. Holbrooke's last words were reported by his family. A senior diplomat is always on duty - and his family too, when they have long experience.It could be that he was just passing on the message to anybody he could - his doctor. The nationality had nothing to do with it.
And what does the 'clarification' posted by Ras suggest?No. Holbrooke's last words were reported by his family. A senior diplomat is always on duty - and his family too, when they have long experience.
Holbrooke did not deal wish wishful thinking or comfortable falsehoods. He had his grasp on all the facts, from the dirt on the ground with suffering families to military intelligence officers to heads of state. And nobody disagrees that he was always a powerful advocate of his convictions.
Holbrooke knew. He knew that Pakistan is primarily responsible for Afghanistan continuing to suffer war today. And he had the confidence that Pakistanis can stop it, if only they desire and are motivated to do so.
Re-writing his words (substituting "we" for "you"), or trying to muddle their emphasis or re-direct their focus, is an empty exercise with this man. He was convinced that the primary responsibility now is on Pakistani shoulders. And Holbrooke's unavoidable implication is that if Afghanistan fails, the moral onus for its sufferings is upon Pakistan as well - both its government and its people.
Okay...this is the context. There is doubt even if the doctor was a Pakistani to begin with
The Context of Ambassador Richard Holbrooke's final words - Political Punch
The Context of Ambassador Richard Holbrooke's final words - Political Punch
"There was a, you know, lengthy exchange with Ambassador Holbrooke and the medical team, probably reflecting Richard's relentless pursuit of the policy that he had helped to craft and was charged by the president and the secretary with carrying out," Crowley said.
"At one point the medical team said: You've got to relax. And Richard said: I can't relax; I've got -- I'm worried about Afghanistan and Pakistan. And then after some additional exchanges, you know, the medical team finally -- finally said: Tell you what; we'll try to fix this challenge while you're undergoing surgery. And he said: Yeah, see if you can take care of that, including ending the war," he said.
A senior administration official also cautions against reporting that the comments were directed towards a doctor because he was of Pakistani descent. In fact, the official said the doctor may have been Indian or Egyptian, though we're told there were multiple doctors of South Asian descent in the room.
Not much. I have more faith in the interpretation from his family than a verbatim report - or a report approved by a State Department spokesman. Unlike Holbrooke, they still feel they have to deal with (as in, be nice to) Pakistani officials.And what does the 'clarification' posted by Ras suggest?
Not much. I have more faith in the interpretation from his family than a verbatim report - or a report approved by a State Department spokesman. Unlike Holbrooke, they still feel they have to deal with (as in, be nice to) Pakistani officials.
But he was racist.I think this guy was a very focussed and dedicated man. Very focussed and dedicated to his country and his assignment. Surely US lost a very capable diplomat. May God bless his soul and may be finally find peace in the tranquil world.
To the topic, I think that it is best till we wait for some offical US reaction on this for anything. There have been too many fake news planted all over recently. On top of it, a Pakistani surgeon bit has been thrown in. I think let us just wait.
I really doubt if the news of this man's death is true or if it is all American fabrication.Holbrookes Last Words: Stop War In Afghanistan
WASHINGTON, Dec 14, 2010 (AFP) - Richard Holbrooke, the late US special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, had some stark final words as he was sedated and going in for surgery, the Washington Post reported Tuesday.
"You've got to stop this war in Afghanistan," Holbrooke told his Pakistani surgeon, the Post reported, citing unnamed family members.
Holbrooke, one of the most experienced US diplomats, died Monday as the administration of President Barack Obama reviews its strategy in Afghanistan. He was 69.
Holbrooke fell ill at work on Friday, was rushed to a Washington hospital and underwent what the Post described as a 21-hour operation to repair his aorta.
Working along with US military planners in Afghanistan, Holbrooke oversaw a tripling in the number of civilians in the war-ravaged country under a year-old plan to boost the country's agriculture, economy and civilian institutions.
The annual administration review on Afghan policy is due to discuss what progress has been made since Obama last year deployed 30,000 extra forces there to try to turn the tide of the war and prepare to start the US troop withdrawal in July 2011.
I would be quick to smash statements if I knew they unjustly bashed Pakistan. I guess that you need to do what you are doing now to avoid evaluating Pakistan's guilt in Afghanistan's troubles.I understand that you have a need to cling on to any distortions and half truths that bash Pakistan.
I would be quick to smash statements if I knew they unjustly bashed Pakistan. I guess that you need to do what you are doing now to avoid evaluating Pakistan's guilt in Afghanistan's troubles.
The wonder is, why is the U.S. officially still catering to Pakistani sensibilities, rather than making public the hard truths as Holbrooke's family wished? The only answer I can think of is that it is Pakistan in the driver's seat of the U.S.-Pakistan relationship, not the other way 'round as popularized by Pakistan's media and some of its politicians.Lets stick with what Holbrooke said -
The wonder is, why is the U.S. officially still catering to Pakistani sensibilities, rather than making public the hard truths as Holbrooke's family wished? The only answer I can think of is that it is Pakistan in the driver's seat of the U.S.-Pakistan relationship, not the other way 'round as popularized by Pakistan's media and some of its politicians.