Hmong tribe, the loser to ancient Hua-Xia until they reach S.E Asia and still continue losing.

[Aepsilons]

@Kolaps ,

The Kanji word i want to emphasize is this:

孝

 

[aliaselin]

Yes, that is one country of origin for them. Some of them also are in refugee camps in Thailand , for they are persecuted in Laos. The recent Thai immigration policy of repatriating Hmong refugees into Laos has been met by condemnation by the United States, which understands the socio-economic repression they experience in Laos.

The story of the Hmong immigrant is something that leaves me, as a Japanese, with very strong emotions. I feel empathy for them. They have no 'nation' of origin. They are pressured and considered "outsiders" in Laos, Thailand, Vietnam. They are actually a Chinese ethnic minority.

And the prevailing symptom of 'oppression' is a factor in their descriptions of their experiences in Viet Nam, Laos, Thailand. So it is understandable why so many Hmong second or third generation that live in the United States readily adopt western values.

The modern world talks more about nationality but seldom ethnic, so we can only help them with humanitarian aid.

 

[xesy]

Yes, that is one country of origin for them. Some of them also are in refugee camps in Thailand , for they are persecuted in Laos. The recent Thai immigration policy of repatriating Hmong refugees into Laos has been met by condemnation by the United States, which understands the socio-economic repression they experience in Laos.

The story of the Hmong immigrant is something that leaves me, as a Japanese, with very strong emotions. I feel empathy for them. They have no 'nation' of origin. They are pressured and considered "outsiders" in Laos, Thailand, Vietnam. They are actually a Chinese ethnic minority.

And the prevailing symptom of 'oppression' is a factor in their descriptions of their experiences in Viet Nam, Laos, Thailand. So it is understandable why so many Hmong second or third generation that live in the United States readily adopt western values.

I don't get why you have such feeling. As a VNese and a minority myself, I don't feel Hmong "outsiders" like you said. I know they have Chinese origins but does it even matter? I mean there are also a lot of race that have both VNese and Chinese nationalities.

 

[Aepsilons]

I don't get why you have such feeling. As a VNese and a minority myself, I don't feel Hmong "outsiders" like you said. I know they have Chinese origins but does it even matter? I mean there are also a lot of race that have both VNese and Chinese nationalities.

It is what they (the Hmong immigrants) use in describing their experiences in those countries, my friend. As a doctoral researcher, I , of course, have feelings of empathy.

I've also took part in qualitative-based research focusing on Asian-American immigrant populations, and Hmongs were included in this sampling.

 

[Kolaps]

Give them some leverage and consideration, dude. A lot of Hmongs have been persecuted by Thais, Laotians and also suffered severely under Vietnam for their collaboration with the US during the Vietnam War. They have a strong culture, i would say. They still keep their traditionalist ways , especially their tribal mentality. THey still marry young and identify with their tribal origin to this day. They assimilate with Western culture and values, but retain much of their indigenous culture.

In fact, one of the reasons/ barriers to their education is their indigenous belief systems that emphasizes marrying young and rearing a family at such an early age.

Low financial and sociO-economic variables , with pervailing strong retention of their tribal culture is seen as a barrier towards socio-academic assimilation and affects the dependent variable of academic and professional success.



Please refer to:

http://hmongstudies.org/YSXiongHSJ13.2.pdf

http://www2.uwstout.edu/content/lib/thesis/2010/2010huffcuttm.pdf

Basically they are already move too far by embracing foreign religion, much further than modern young Japanese in Tokyo.

It is their religion who make them can't get along with their infidel neighbor of Laos, Thais and Viets. People love to portrayed themselves as the victim, but the truth, they are the real offender. They can't get along with one tribe is different with if they can't get along with everybody. They themselves is the problem.

It is their religion who made them meet and work together with US.


Christian KMT was also had the same case. So, I'm not so surprising.

 

[xesy]

Israel‘s oppression do not make Palestinians leave Jerusalem, right? The material is open source for Vietnameses' oppression, and I can Google it and do not need your propaganda.

I just google it myself and find out most "open sources" you said are open anti-VN channel like RFI, VOA or vietnamdefendhumanrights. They also reported news like a VNese coup in Hanoi during the 2008 flood.

 

[Aepsilons]

Basically they are already move too far by embracing foreign religion, much further than modern young Japanese in Tokyo.

It is their religion who make them can't get along with their infidel neighbor of Laos, Thais and Viets. People love to portrayed themselves as the victim, but the truth, they are the real offender. They can't get along with one tribe is different with if they can't get along with everybody. They themselves is the problem.

It is their religion who made them meet and work together with US.


Christian KMT was also had the same case. So, I'm not so surprising.

You're viewing this through the lens of religion, which, I would dare say, isn't the case. The Hmongs , as a grouping, never felt obliged or native to nations in South East Asia. Many of their elders, who are not even Christian and still practice their native faiths, hold an animosity towards the Thai, Laotians (in high particular) and the Vietnamese for the persecution they had experienced before the Viet Nam War and afterward.

This historical animosity was then passed on to the younger generation of Hmong-Americans.

Their culture is based on oral-folklore. So oratory reposition is emphasized in their culture.

Now, in regards to the issue of Hmong-Americans who convert to Christianity, well, that is something that cannot be evaded since many of them immigrated to conservative and Christian-dominated areas. States such as Wisconsin, Minnesota, Wyoming, Idaho, Missouri etc.

In addition, because they (Hmong) live in a multifaceted society like the united states with various religions being practiced and the high exposure to Christian churches, it would lead to their interests in it.

I would like to draw a case scenario. Koreans who are Christians. They are Christian, but still retain a strong reference to their Korean cultural etiquette.

 

[Kolaps]

I don't get why you have such feeling. As a VNese and a minority myself, I don't feel Hmong "outsiders" like you said. I know they have Chinese origins but does it even matter? I mean there are also a lot of race that have both VNese and Chinese nationalities.

Of course they are outsider, even if you don't think so.

They are CHRISTIAN.

For them, you are a bunch of lowly infidels and outsiders. They don't have solidarity to Vietnam.

They will back stab Vietnam one day! Among the first and biggest!

 

[Aepsilons]

Of course they are outsider, even if you don't think so.

They are CHRISTIAN.

For them, you are a bunch of lowly infidels and outsiders. They don't have solidarity to Vietnam.

They will back stab Vietnam one day! Among the first and biggest!

The Hmongs that are still in Viet Nam are not Christian. The Hmongs who are predominantly Christian are those that have already immigrated to the United States.

You're confusing everything and are attributing the Christian religion as catalyst to their feeling of 'outsiders' in Viet Nam. Which is not the case at all.

I would deign to attribute their feelings of 'outsiders' because of their cultural habit of retaining their indigenous mannerisms , without assimilating to the host culture in South East Asia. The Hmongs in Viet Nam, Laos and Thailand still wear the same regalia, refer to themselves to tribal origin. They are resistant to assimilation.

This resistance to assimilation still even exists for those who have immigrated to the United States. And I have listed the examples in my previous posts.

 

[xesy]

Of course they are outsider, even if you don't think so.

They are CHRISTIAN.

For them, you are a bunch of lowly infidels and outsiders. They don't have solidarity to Vietnam.

They will back stab Vietnam one day! Among the first and biggest!

I agree that Chritians are very troublesome. But VNese Christians are around 5 millions, 1/40 of the total population. And those Christians believe God is higher than the state or the govt. That makes us very cautious when dealing with Christians.

 

[Kolaps]

You're viewing this through the lens of religion, which, I would dare say, isn't the case. The Hmongs , as a grouping, never felt obliged or native to nations in South East Asia. Many of their elders, who are not even Christian and still practice their native faiths, hold an animosity towards the Thai, Laotians (in high particular) and the Vietnamese for the persecution they had experienced before the Viet Nam War and afterward.

This historical animosity was then passed on to the younger generation of Hmong-Americans.

Their culture is based on oral-folklore. So oratory reposition is emphasized in their culture.

You, Japanese supposed to be very very very very very very very familiar with it.

Unless, you are an outsider in Japan too.

Many of their elders, who are not even Christian and still practice their native faiths

Yeah, native faiths with Christian connection to be precisely.

Native Almighty God, interpreted as Christian God and Jesus as the son.

I think Hmong elders are a bunch of idiots!

 

[xesy]

The Hmongs that are still in Viet Nam are not Christian. The Hmongs who are predominantly Christian are those that have already immigrated to the United States.

You're confusing everything and are attributing the Christian religion as catalyst to their feeling of 'outsiders' in Viet Nam. Which is not the case at all.

I would deign to attribute their feelings of 'outsiders' because of their cultural habit of retaining their indigenous mannerisms , without assimilating to the host culture in South East Asia. The Hmongs in Viet Nam, Laos and Thailand still wear the same regalia, refer to themselves to tribal origin. They are resistant to assimilation.

This resistance to assimilation still even exists for those who have immigrated to the United States. And I have listed the examples in my previous posts.

There are an increasing number of Christians among Hmong. And anti-VN factions use them as tools to fight against the govt.

 

[Aepsilons]

I agree that Chritians are very troublesome. But VNese Christians are around 5 millions, 1/40 of the total population. And those Christians believe God is higher than the state or the govt. That makes us very cautious when dealing with Christians.

No. Hmongs in Viet Nam are not Christian. They are SHAMANIST. They retain ancestral worship.

Hmong customs and culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

@Kolaps is using and propagating wrong attribution.

Totally ridiculous.

You, Japanese supposed to be very very very very very very very familiar with it.
Unless, you are an outsider in Japan too.

Your vehemence towards other religions make me suspect your true intent.

When does a Taiwanese know the views of Japan and Japanese?

Or are you saying that you hold the power of perception to understand the national psyche of Japan, despite you not even being Nihonjin?

@xesy ,


In regards to Hmong people:


I would deign to attribute their feelings of 'outsiders' because of their cultural habit of retaining their indigenous mannerisms , without assimilating to the host culture in South East Asia. The Hmongs in Viet Nam, Laos and Thailand still wear the same regalia, refer to themselves to tribal origin. They are resistant to assimilation.

This resistance to assimilation still even exists for those who have immigrated to the United States. And I have listed the examples in my previous posts.

Also know that the Hmong in Viet Nam adhere to their native religion, which is focused on Shamanism, which focuses on spirit worship and ancestral worship.

Hmong customs and culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Hmongs who convert to Christianity are those who have already immigrated to the United States, say the 2nd or 3rd generation Hmong-Americans.



Sincerely I Remain,
@Nihonjin1051

 

[xesy]

No. Hmongs in Viet Nam are not Christian. They are SHAMANIST. They retain ancestral worship.

Nihonjin, I think you misunderstood me. There are an increasing number of Christians among Hmong.

I know Christians are not bad, but in VN there are always people who take advantages of Christians belief, often to use them against the govt. VN has seen serveral cases in which the church refuse to return the land to the govt, saying it was God's land. Or there are stories passed around about how believing in God help cure diseases, from fatal diseases to cancer or even HIV/AIDS. I personally heard one story over a Christian radio channel about how a 3 year old cured from HIV as her family pray to God everyday in 3 months. Ridiculous, right?

 

[Aepsilons]

Nihonjin, I think you misunderstood me. There are an increasing number of Christians among Hmong.
I know Christians are not bad, but in VN there are always people who take advantages of Christians belief, often to use them against the govt. VN has seen serveral cases in which the church refuse to return the land to the govt, saying it was God's land. Or there are stories passed around about how believing in God help cure diseases, from fatal diseases to cancer or even HIV/AIDS. I personally heard one story over a Christian radio channel about how a 3 year old cured from HIV as her family pray to God everyday in 3 months. Ridiculous, right?

There are peculiarities and even outliers in every group, @xesy . You and I know very well that much of the science , especially medical science has been developed to the degree that it is seen today through the research paved by Prussian (German), French, British and American physicians, pharmacologists. And there is a high degree of probability that these western scientists were raised in Christian households, considering Christianity being the dominant religion in the west, especially during the 18th, 19th and 20th century and to the present.Yet that did not play an inhibitory effect on their contribution(s) to Medicine and Medical Science.

I empathize with your concern when hearing here-says about Christian groups saying a child being healed through non-scientific and non-medical measures.

That said, some 8% of Viet Nam's population are Christian, mostly Roman Catholic. And I am sure the majority of these Viet Namese are law abiding, citizens of Viet Nam. Let not lower our upper outliers paint one's view of the entire majority. Remember, outliers are statistically insignificant and cannot be generalizable to the larger population sample/ pool.

Religion in Vietnam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Best Regards,