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The Fundamentalists in DPP are not the group who anti-China, or we have to say which China. PRC or ROC?

The main members of fundamental group in DPP are the relatives of those killed in 228. They have no historical hatred towards CP. They were historical pro China too.

I have written an artical about the voting 2014 in other forum but in Chinese. I paste here:
1. 消失的台湾国。
经过陈水扁和马英九的执政,92共识已经进入台湾人骨髓。统独在台湾已经不再是一个重要的议题。以前统一在台湾的意思是反攻大陆,独立的意思是建立台湾国。而今天台湾国已经不存在了,从中华民国在台湾到今天的中华民国是台湾。统独已经成为一家,统独都是抗拒被共产党一统江山而已,统独都变为中华民国是一个独立的国家。当柯文哲说自己不懂92共识的内涵的时候,其实92共识已经成为台湾人的共识,只是烧熟的鸭子嘴硬而已。

2. 更浅的蓝和更淡的绿。
国民党的蓝天已经不是过去的蓝,大量赴台军公教人员去见了孙中山,国民党的死忠部队在逐年的消逝。以赴台二代为中流砥柱的蓝慢慢的也转向第三代为中心的蓝。你爷爷是孙中山的死忠,那你还有必要成为孙中山的死忠吗?淡漠了羁绊,蓝已经被稀释。

民进党的绿地也在淡漠中。以1000余名228死难者家属为中心的民进党也在慢慢淡漠之中,228也在逐渐成为爷爷辈的故事,这个死难者的身份也不会在转给第三代。台独教义派因为民进党本人支持人口结构的变化淡出民进党核心。如果说马英九被判了死刑的话,还有一个叫吕秀莲的也被打进了冷宫。

在蓝绿两党背后的是谁都不鸟的广大人民群众,而争取他们成为关键,这些人现在是80后开始的人群,比例也会在日后日益增加。


3. 无所不包的民进党
民进党是一个非常有趣的政党,有一个连自己都抛弃了的台独信仰,有一群只会打车轮王八拳的流氓和一群脸皮可以防弹的学者。民进党是一个绝对功利主义的政党,只要能成功什么都可以做,没有逻辑,没有下线,没有节操。这个政党只要能干掉国民党什么都可以做,什么都可以接受。

黄伟哲立法委员是这样回答两岸问题的。如果蔡英文赢,说明民进党的台独政策受台湾民众的好评没有必要更改。如果蔡英文输,民进党的台独教义派抬头,台独政策更不可能改。这都是一堆废话,就说民进党的逻辑里面没有改台独党纲就完事了嘛。民进党就是一个充满了这样逻辑的党派,心黑脸皮厚可谓厚黑学的典型。台湾绿色的民众在这样一个政党的带领下没有逻辑。以高雄为例,高雄气爆,高雄市长居然逆势上涨。台湾屏东县接到地沟油报案私自按下两年不办不上报,屏东县也是逆势窜红。这个政党统治下的人民也变成只要搞下国民党,自己的错可以不负责,而且还能变成选举优势。

和2008年民进党的草鞋兵不同,一些人在这些年通过苦读成为学者让民进党有进一步的进化。以前民进党都是街头混的二货,现在有了一帮御用学者。这些学者在任何时候可以跟国民党的学者唱反调,加上自己绿民无脑的支持,民进党就有了理论的支持。天下都知道中韩FTA对台湾有冲击,但是有一群学者就认为中韩FTA没有冲击,反正冲击是慢慢来的,在选举前止血就可以了,以后是不是被温水煮了青蛙并不重要。其实不用担心服贸和货贸,民进党执政肯定都过,如果要重新签订,肯定比国民党更卖台。这个政党的特点就是没有节操,今天他可以用一套说辞说国民党卖台,到他执政的时候他们会有另外一套说辞说明同一个服贸,一个是脱离了低级趣味的,一个是恶俗出卖人民的。不要为民进党不好意思,这个政党是没有脸的。

4. 穷得只剩钱的国民党
国民党会倒么,有那么多钱的一个党肯定倒不了,人都跑了至少还有员工。国民党在1927年就停止了政治创新,三民主义在那个时候就没有人认真在做了。到了今天孙中山不是三民主义的代表,当然三民主义在台湾,民有,民治,民享。你们不熟悉吧?这不是孙中山的版本,国民党的精神教父其实只剩下了四个字:天下为公。

1987年国民党宣布反攻大陆无望,国民党就成了一个没有灵魂的政党,因为他不像民进党有一个信仰,整个政党从此丧了斗志。台湾走向民主以后,三民主义也受到了挑战。那个无所不用其极的民进党自然的推出了民主主义来对抗。三民主义本来是一个意识流的产物,不如民主主义的广泛内容。所以新一代的民进党也以民主主义建制派出现,用三权分立来打击国民党的五权宪法。监察院不清晰的地位就成了民主监制派的攻击目标。因为监察院的绩效不彰也就成为第一个被打击的对象。要知道台湾的民主不是在宪法框架下的,而是宪法的推翻和维护上的。

维护传统大资本家的国民党因为三民主义,在受到民主主义的攻击以外,今天又多了一个叫共产主义的东西。民进党这次的胜选最关键的是广大的劳工,所以他们还利用了共产主义阶级斗争的思想,煽动薪资长期不涨的劳工来打阶级斗争牌。虽然陈水扁时期工资就不涨了,但是拼不过人家心黑脸皮厚。

没有了信仰的国民党,剩下的只有钱了,当然还有最后的四个字,天下为公。

5. 蔡国庆能当主席吗?
马英九在光环之中没有体现出来的就是他蔡国庆的一面。台湾选领导人喜欢选择小清新,小帅哥。当马英九穿个短裤出来跑步的时候,吸足了婆婆妈妈的眼球,注意我在说选举不是在说色情故事。这么一个蔡国庆被婆婆妈妈送上了总统的宝座。而这个总统是一个极度无能的人。一个男人用良好的外表在政坛步步上升,2008年更以无暇宝玉的姿态入主总统府。宝玉到了今年已经不再是宝玉,年老色衰就成为贾赦。马英九是一个吃软怕硬的主,只要你够硬,马英九谁都可以陪睡。从广大兴事件2013年5月,台湾人被菲律宾人欺负,马英九只能主持默哀并亲自读10秒,这个总统就被人看破,丧失了尊严。9月马英九策动对党内大佬王金平的斗争,从此总统和议长杠到今天还没结束。今年3月18太阳花学运,这个总统消失数天,也没有出面平息乱局,这个总统就开始消失了威严。太阳花结束以后还被人用绝食的方式加打一仗,这个总统又消失了,台湾的核电四厂经过32年的论证和建设终于在运行投产的前几天在花了2600亿台币以后见了上帝。从此以后大家只要玩横的,这个总统就消失不见了。


只知道护短又不坚决的总统,你早应该下台了。马英九的政府18个月被民进党干掉了18个部长。最搞笑的部长是因为穿短裤骑自行车深夜光顾女秘书家被干掉的。办公室恋爱?no,他们还是师生。不要找教授就是这样,Naughty office就是porn的主题了,还来个师生。就是真拍片了也没什么,要培养一个人够难了,一个部长就死在小娘皮的肚子上了。只要你坚决,没有一个干不下来的部长,这样一个政府怎么会有信用呢?江宜桦教授当然也是被推出斩首的阁揆。


所以国民党的灭门惨案也不是没有原因的,你的功夫太弱还要收藏辟邪剑法,结果当然是灭门,早就有辟邪剑法,本身也是蔡国庆,马英九你早就应该练了嘛。

6. 无能的政客和后继无人
如果要说无能,在台湾第一个想到的就是马英九了。蒋经国之后台湾的政治人才就开始出现凋弊状态,在马英九和蔡英文之后已经看不到明显的接班者。国民党在马英九倒下后已经到了后继无人的状态,没有强力的人补上马英九坐上党主席的位子。民进党也没有好到哪里去,除了蔡英文以外也很难找到一个合适的副总统。

台湾的的政客有一个非常有明显的弊端,那就是堆柴火,后来者居上。因为两党轮流执政又相互不合作,导致两党各自培养人才,各领风骚8年,而上台的那个是过去8年蛰伏的,只有较少职位来培养自己人才的党。这样的结构导致任何一个党都没有足够的人才来满足政府的需求。那么就有一些不称职的人居高位,除此之外学院就成为未来政客的仓库。而教授普遍缺乏行政经验,虽有一些理念,但实现理念的能力较弱,这样就从一个有理想的学者成为最无能的政客。从对学生的教学,到不需要解释只需要政治承诺的议员。这些学者政客缺乏足够的交流能力,也容易陷入政客的话术当中。当江宜桦面对地沟油的质询的时候,他的逻辑是还没有被证实的内容根据无罪推论就是无害的,但是立委要的是一个口号式的政治承诺。江宜桦说现在卖的都是安全的,但是当顶新被证明是在卖地沟油的时候,他的无罪推论已经不存在,而政治承诺是不随事件变化的,这样江宜桦就成了第一个被斩首的官员。在这里看到的是一个缺乏政治历练的官员,他要说的应该是发现一个整死一个,而不是用无罪推定去搞一个符合学术的说法,毕竟他面对的不是参与讨论的学生,是牛鬼蛇神如狼似虎的立委。当民进党开始在那么多的县市执政的时候,他们也没有能力找到那么多的局处首长,他们也只有把目光看向学院,又多一批无能的政客和未来名誉扫地的教授。


7. 政治网络中心战
网络成为选战的中心,这不是什么新东西,我在埃及革命的时候就提出来过。网络使每一个人获得从所未有的表达能力,一个人随时可能不在意就成为社会的焦点,获得极大化话语权。这样的状态导致私权利的膨胀,私权利泛滥也使一个社会丧失自由。台湾的选举充分的展示了这样一个现象。以网络操作来在各个时间上都有话题来保持打击力度。网络和媒体都符合zipfan分布,99%的目光都在看头条的新闻。用无边的网络,每一天都进行网络炒作,这就形同一种饱和攻击,任何的澄清都是属于那不受关注的1%之一。所以在台湾的选举里面有无数不负责任的攻击的和指责,这和4个同肤色的孩子喊爸爸不同,网络攻击没有给对手任何的辩解的。当选战落幕以后一切的攻击都成为谜不被追究,也不被关注,不过可以保证每天起床都发现自己头上多了一个包。

网络中心战的另外一个特点是长期长线操作。现代的网络社会需要的就是快餐式的信息,没有人看长文,就像很多人都不会看到这里一样。需要的就是100个字说明问题。台湾就出现了一种叫懒人包的东西,就是提供给不愿意花时间了解问题的读者在短时间内了解政策的信息包。懒人包因为文字少,所以也没有太多的信息来源和论证,需要的就是简单粗暴的结论。当人要论证一个非常关键的政策的时候,已经被对手的懒人包歪曲了。当你尽力宣导的时候,人民已经知道了一个不同的版本,而政府的宣导就成为了骗人的内容,台湾人管这个叫恐吓牌。

网络是民主的未来,网络使任何一个公民每天表达的内容比每四年投一次票表达的内容要多数十倍。只要运转好网络民意的收集和网络语言环境的澄清是超越现在所有民主体制的契机。台湾出现了这样的风向,本质和埃及没有什么不同。记住一点,任何媒体还没有人会用的时候,他肯定首先用于暴力和色情。两党结构会促进网络成为政治暴力的载体,所以我认为一党专政会更适合未来的社会。
 
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The Fundamentalists in DPP are not the group who anti-China, or we have to say which China. PRC or ROC?

The main members of fundamental group in DPP are the relatives of those killed in 228. They have no historical hatred towards CP. They were historical pro China too.

I have written an artical about the voting 2014 in other forum but in Chinese. I paste here:

Hatred or no hatred is irrelevant
DPP advocates strongly for independence but KMT, at least on the face of their platforms, does not :dirol:
 
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Hatred or no hatred is irrelevant
DPP advocates strongly for independence but KMT, at least on the face of their platforms, does not :dirol:
Things have changed, the idea of independent Taiwan is gone. The phase to describe Taiwan is right now ROC is Taiwan. That is a description cope with 92 consensus. Although DPP doesn't accept the fact, that is only face saving. Just like socialism with chinese charactersitics, the socialism is not the key but the chinese characteristics.
 
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Things have changed, the idea of independent Taiwan is gone. The phase to describe Taiwan is right now ROC is Taiwan. That is a description cope with 92 consensus. Although DPP doesn't accept the fact, that is only face saving. Just like socialism with chinese charactersitics, the socialism is not the key but the chinese characteristics.

DPP has tuned down its strong drives for independence because it is against the fundamental security of Taiwan and it is also warned by the USA not to do that
Dont be cheated. They havent changed a bit in their guts.
Also dont let "hatred of CPC" or "socialism ...democracy" etc clouding the core issue. 8-)
 
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There's no such thing as HK race, we all belong to the Han race. When i heard one of the student leader claim Hong Kong people are the master of this city and not Chinese, i could not help but laugh at his slogan....

This just confirmed what I suspected - this so-called "leaders" STUPIDITY. They are so stupid and are being used by the foreign powers without them realising.

The HK race LOL

:Rofl:

That is just too funny.

+1. Me too. I couldn't stop laughing. :Rofl:

Lingering Garden Network - so hunger! Laugh! -6park.com

Apparently "hunger strike" means only eating porridge instead of rice. What bit of comedy will this movement bring next?

They are just a bunch of puss*es. Twisting and turning things to suit them. No wonder the majority (which is increasing by the day) are against them.
 
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Protesters must abandon fantasy of a 'Hong Kong race' free from the mainland

SCMP

Regina Ip says the Occupy protesters who are in effect demanding self-rule - rather than democracy - have been misled by the years of colonial rule into rejecting their Chinese family

By Regina Ip

For months, warnings against Occupy Central sounded by Beijing officials were dismissed as "crying wolf" in some quarters. Protesters had likewise sent many warnings of a "final showdown", but few were able to predict the precise shape that the face-off would eventually take.

The violent clashes between demonstrators and the police last Monday, more than two months after Occupy began, finally put paid to any semblance of "love and peace" and prompted the three chief instigators of Occupy to turn themselves in to the authorities. As students vow to fight on, it will be a while before Occupy can be brought to a close.

As the endgame draws near, debates are under way on what caused Occupy to erupt in such a ferocious manner, causing damage to the economy, cleavages in family and society and a body blow to Hong Kong's reputation as a safe and law-abiding city.

A multitude of factors have been put forward as underlying causes. Among former senior officials, a view has emerged that Occupy was inevitable.

It was inevitable because the protest was not really about democracy. Large numbers were attracted, especially at the start of the protest, by the democracy mantra. But right from the start, the quest for self-rule was evident from slogans - such as "self-determination" - writ large on the backdrop of the stage when students kicked off their sit-in.

In the past year, in several issues of Undergrad, the official publication of the University of Hong Kong students' union, contributors have advocated "self-determination" by "the Hong Kong race".

Occupy is an attempt to redefine "one country, two systems" and, by implication, Hong Kong's relationship with China. By rejecting the decision of the National People's Congress Standing Committee of August 31, which ensures Beijing's say on the outcome of the chief executive election in 2017 via the nominating committee, the Occupy demonstrators are effectively saying no to China's sovereignty over Hong Kong.

Since 1997, Beijing has been nothing but extraordinarily helpful to Hong Kong whenever the latter's economy is in trouble, and extraordinarily tolerant in allowing protests unimaginable on the mainland to thrive in Hong Kong. For a country of 1.3 billion people, which has never known universal suffrage in its 5,000 years of history, it is taking huge risks and a plunge into the unknown by promising Hong Kong ultimate election of the chief executive by universal suffrage. In 2007, it even went further in spelling out a timetable for universal suffrage to happen.

Under the "one country, two systems" arrangement, Hong Kong is also extraordinarily privileged in not having to pay tax to the central authorities or the costs of defence of the territory. (In the colonial era, Hong Kong paid as much as 70 per cent).

Why this rage against the motherland which has done nothing but tried its best to welcome back an "abducted" child with open arms?

Occupy was inevitable because Hong Kong had been a British colony for more than 150 years. Its population includes many who fled to this southern outpost to escape the turmoil that ravaged China during the death throes of the Qing empire and the chaos of the Republican era. It also includes many who fled here for fear of communism. Under British rule, Hong Kong people enjoyed unprecedented rights and freedom, the rule of law and a much higher standard of living. It was ruled as though it was part of the West. While many Chinese families remained steeped in traditional values, Western ideas and institutions exerted indelible influence.

In the last two decades of British rule, the sharp contrast with the much more conservative and regimented Chinese culture and systems was accentuated by the mad dash to usher in democracy and new legislation to strengthen the protection of rights and freedoms. The local officials set to lead the new administration were hardwired to "benchmark" the performance of Hong Kong under China against Western standards, and to defend its system against erosion by authoritarian China. The stage was set for "one country" to be viewed as a threat to "two systems".

The paranoia was aggravated by the tragedy of June 4, 1989, images of which were seared into the memory of Hong Kong people. Since then, annual rituals in remembrance of the lost souls have not helped engender forgiveness or a broader understanding of the context in which the tragic events occurred.

Perhaps the greatest blow to some Hong Kong people's perception of the motherland is the reversal of economic fortune and roles which have followed the economic ascendency of China. Now heavily dependent economically on mainland China, the sense of injured pride has led many to view China as a threat, and fantasise that Hong Kong would be better off as a free-standing "Hong Kong race".

Yet the reality is "Hong Kong race" has no place in the world and Hong Kong's destiny is intertwined with that of China. The sooner our leaders can help the young and the restless come to terms with that, the better. Hong Kong people must muster enough courage and wisdom to find a new place of pride in the family of 1.3 billion.

Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee is a legislator and chair of the New People's Party

@Chinese-Dragon , @ChineseTiger1986 , @tranquilium , @Edison Chen , @terranMarine , @cirr , @Keel , @Nihonjin1051

Omg, Hong Kong race? Where does the superiorty come from? I am wondering. Give China another 30 years, they will regret.
 
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The protesters will soon be removed.

HK police declare to clear remaining occupy sites
CCTV.com

HONG KONG, Dec. 9 (Xinhua) -- Hong Kong police authorities declared on Tuesday evening that the police force will clear all barriers at the protest site in Admiralty on Thursday and support bailiffs executing injunction orders on the unlawful occupation.

Assistant Commissioner of Police Cheung Tak-keung told a press conference that the occupation has been affecting the daily lives of Hong Kong people for more than two months and the police must restore order.

According to Cheung, all barriers blocking roads and pedestrian access on Connaught Road Central, Harcourt Road, Tim Wa Avenue, Tim Mei Avenue and Gloucester Road will be removed.

The protest site in the Causeway Bay will be cleared later at an appropriate time, he added.

Cheung urged the protesters to pack their personal belongings and leave the protest site peacefully as soon as possible since the police will not give them much time on Thursday.

He warned the protesters not to resist or charge the police, reiterating that the police will take resolute action to preserve order and safety.

The Occupy protest in Hong Kong started on Sept. 28 and blockaded several main roads and streets in Kowloon and Hong Kong island, which has resulted in serious traffic disruption, less tourists, temporary closure of schools and banks and a slump in local stock market trading.

Hong Kong police has assisted bailiffs clearing the protest site at Mong Kok in Kowloon on Nov. 25 and 26.

The main appeal of the protesters is to oppose a framework set by China's top legislature on the election of Hong Kong's next chief executive by universal suffrage slated in 2017.

In accordance with the Basic Law, the top legislature has decided that chief executive candidates to run the universal suffrage must be nominated by a 1,200-member nomination committee.
 
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Omg, Hong Kong race? Where does the superiorty come from? I am wondering. Give China another 30 years, they will regret.
There is a Hongkong race, this race is actually banished by the mainland. Hongkong is a banished city.There are more softly works for the central government to do to regain the hearts of banished people.
 
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Li Zhuoren 李卓人 on the far right is caught with receiving millions of HK$ from NED
He was meeting with the ex-DPP leader Shi Mingde 施明德 (bow-tied). The other 2 are the key organisers of OC-HK.

That's somebody's tax payers money going down the drain !:laugh::sarcastic::rolleyes1:
 
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The Soft-power of Hong Kong Protesters – Freedoms not enjoy by American, Britain, Canadian and Australian

By Chua Wei Ling

In a recent international human rights forum at Oslo where Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning and other jailed Occupy Wall Street protesters such as Cecily McMillan were not invited, BBC report (21 Oct. 2014) revealed that, “it is an open secret at this meeting … that plans were hatched for the demonstrations (in Hong Kong) nearly two years ago … perhaps more than 1,000 of them have been given specific training to help make the campaign as effective as possible.” The forum is filled exclusively by well funded non-western “dissidents” demonstrating no interest in echoing the voices of the 5,500 anti-US military protesters in Okinawa; or the suffering of the victims of U.S. nuclear tests in the Pacific without compensation; or the extrajudicial killing of almost a thousand unarmed civilians and children within five years by U.S. drones operation in Pakistan alone. The protesters in Hong Kong enjoyed an overwhelming support from the Oslo Freedom Forum, while the death of 5,000 civilians across America since 9/11 by the brutal and trigger happy U.S. police forces were ignored.

The power of Occupy Hong Kong protesters

The thousands of uncompromised protesters in Hong Kong have strategically and successfully occupied and erected barricades in a number of main thoroughfares (Central, Causeway Bay and Mongkok) causing chaos to traffics, businesses, and residents living in and around the protest zones for over a month now. What most western media failed to report is that, at the beginning of the protests, 3,000 public servants were unable to go to work; there [were] 37 bank branches remain closed in the protest zones a month later; tourists arrival were down during the Golden Week in October with up to 40% reduction in sales to the retail industry. Shops in the protest zones desperate for business, offered a 50% storewide discount and seeing no customer at all. A report by BBC at the beginning of the protest (3 October) revealed that ANZ bank estimated that the protests may have cost the city’s retailers more than HK$2bn.

As a result of the barricades, ambulances on emergency calls were unable to travel to the nearest hospital causing the death of a patient. Residents in the protest zones complaints about the disruption to their daily life as public transport and taxi were not available for them to travel to work, and send their children to school; an elderly woman with walking problem was reportedly forced on foot to visit hospital for her medications.

An On TV open debates was arranged for the protesters to directly air their views to the government and public failed to satisfy the protesters.

An order issued by the High Court on 21 October, 2014 to end the illegal assembly has been ignored.

Images of protesters playing mah-jong and table tennis right in the middle of the streets, having carnival-like-funs, enjoying themselves with hotpots, with some even brought in their beds and mattresses were basically ignored by the western media.

The Time report titled ‘The Main Hong Kong Protest Site is a Perfect Anarchist Collective’ has an accurate description of the protests: “There are no leaders, but everything, from the supply tents to the recycling stations, runs just beautifully.”

The powerless majority

Two months before the planned Occupy Central protest, over a million signatures have been gathered in Hong Kong in opposition to the planned protests. In August, hundreds of thousands rally against the planned Occupy movement. At the beginning of the Occupy protests, 1.5 million Hong Kong people have again signed a petition to demand for peace and reject the Occupy Central movement. A Facebook site in the name of ‘Silent Majority For Hong Kong’ is liked by more than 90,000 people. On 6 October, a Hong Konger was videoed emotionally kowtowing to student protesters telling them: “Please go home, we have kids to feed”. On 13 October, some running out of patient truck and taxi drivers and unions tried to talk to the student protesters and tear down the barricades, but the students wouldn’t listen. The Reuters (UK) described the hundreds of people who tore down protest barriers as “look like gangsters”. On 14 October, an 88 year old elderly man was reportedly kneeling in front the student protesters urging them to “open up the road so that people can go to school and work as usual.” The frustration against the dictatorial and non-reasoning protesters by the average Hong Kong people can be felt by simply viewing the daily video footages on the Hong Kong TVs (not the Western media). That same day, a number of police officers were reportedly removed from positions after an alleged beating of a protester caught on video. On 28 October, 550 Hong Kong doctors likened Occupy movement to ‘cancer’ in a petition calling for an end to the protests. On 4 November, a report by The Straits Times revealed that the Alliance for Peace and Democracy collected more than 1.83 million signatures within 9 days in a campaign to end the Occupy protests.

Protesters’ soft-power and the “Free” world leaders, NGOs and media

Earlier on, when Hong Kong police tried unsuccessfully to remove protesters with tear gas and arrests, the Human Rights Watch emailed to subscribers an article titled ‘Hong Kong: Free Protesters, Avoid Excessive Force’. Amnesty International did the same with a series of articles such as ‘China: Immediately release supporters of Hong Kong protests’ and ‘Hong Kong: alarming Police response to student pro-democracy protest’. Western leaders also took turn to condemn the Hong Kong authorities and Beijing against the crackdown on protesters. For example, David Cameron said, “UK will stand up for Hong Kong Protesters’ rights.” The US Congress released a special Congressional report on Hong Kong openly supporting the protesters. So as Canada and the surprisingly (this time only) less aggressive Australia. Western media (just to name a few, CNN, Wall Street Journal, Murdoch’s News, Washington Post) liken the crackdown as possibly another Tiananmen Square massacre in the making. They all ignored the confessions made by a number of their own journalists, declassified western government documents, the work of historians and eye witnesses accounts about the fact that , “no one die at Tiananmen Square” in 1989, and that the violence were started by the so-called “unarmed” and “peaceful” protesters. Click here for an example of how the BBC manufactured the perception of a “Massacre” without having to show their viewers a single shot of a dead person.

What China can learn from the “Free” world about protest management

In the eyes of the “Free” world and their so-called “NGOs” and “Free” media, the freedom of the Western trained Hong Kong protesters to disrupt the city economy and the daily life of the average Hong Kong people out weighted the rights of the entire population freedom to use those public spaces.

Chinese leadership may have been too busy dealing with dignitaries across the world hoping to build a 21st Century Silk Roads through their high speed rail diplomacy, BRICs’ Bank, the 4th Plenum and the APEC summit in Beijing; their lack of attention and silence on the Hong Kong protests did not exempt them from the smear campaign by the Western media.

As a researcher of media disinformation, I always belief in the power of comparisons. Human rights and freedom are not single sum games, the only way to objectively assess the issues is to compare what others did given the similar circumstances.

During the 2011 Occupy Wall Street protests in America, anti-protests laws were strengthened to ban serving food and setting up tents across the country. This is to ensure that the protesters were unable to sustain their protests. As a result, homeless communities across America became the collateral victims of the new laws. As the US economy continues to struggle with more and more angry people among the population, in 2014, more and more cities across America joint the rank to make it illegal to hand out food to the homeless.

In sharp contrast to the protests in Hong Kong and Tiananmen Square in 1989, where the protesters were the one who erected the barricades, in the land of “Freedom”, it was actually the US government who erected the barricades against the protesters. The so-called anti-Wall Street protests actually did not took place at Wall Street as they were not allowed to. In August, 2014, it was reported that ‘Protests in New York City lead to police barricades and arrests.’

Ironically, while the Hong Kong government arranged a live telecast meeting with the protesters, so as the Beijing government (through Premier Li Peng) during the 1989 Tiananmen incident, the US president not only did not border to address the concerns of the protesters in regards to the issue of 99% vs. 1%; in an incident when President Obama arrived at a protest venue to address the 1% who were paying up to $35,800 each for a diner with him, the protesters were reportedly “penned in an enclosure of barricades, informed that the area has been designated a ‘frozen zone’ until the president departure.”

While the “Free” world leaders defended the rights of Hong Kong protesters to continue occupying and obstructing the rights and freedom of the entire Hong Kong population to use those barricaded roads, it is a known reality that, the laws in the entire western “Free” world criminalised protesters who obstruct traffics during a protest. One of the most classic example is that, during the 2011 Occupy Wall Street protests in New York, the protesters who marched across Brooklyn Bridge were reportedly blocked off by police after actually being allowed onto the roadway. Once they met the police line, they ended up being arrested one by one for obstruction of traffic. Over 700 arrested this way.

A website documented the arrests of Occupy protesters across America with hyperlinks to the sources of each arrest found that almost 8,000 arrested in 122 cities. If one click through all the links on the website to view the respective reports, images and videos, once will notice that the media friendly weapons used by the US authorities against the protesters include (but not exclusively) the following:

– Peppy spray and other chemical weapons

– Peppy ball guns

– Rubber bullets

– Tasers

– Drugging

– Punching on the face

– Teargas

– Baton

– Flash-bang devices

– Bean bag guns


The name of these media friendly weapons sound harmless, however, if one search Wikipedia using the respective name of the weapons, one will notice that, many of the media friendly weapons are extremely painful and harmful to their victims with cases of reported deaths and permanent injuries each year.

The same situation in Canada, in order to prevent the spread of the anti-capitalist movement, the Canadian government indiscriminately arrested 1,100 protesters in 2011. A year later, only 24 of them were convicted for violating any law. At a time of economic hardship and rising social anger, the Harper government enacted a new law in 2013 threatening masked protesters with a ten-year jail terms. Arresting protesters in Canada is as common as in the US, an incident in March, 2014 alone saw 300 arrested at Montreal for protesting against police brutality.

Australia government is also not an angel to protesters. At a time of rising social dissatisfactions, new anti-protest laws were introduced in the past year. Just to name a few, in 2013, the State of Queensland enacted an ‘anti-association laws’; in 2014, Victoria introduced a ‘move on laws’, so that police could arrest any protester who refused to obey their order to leave; in Tasmania, the new anti-protesters laws were criticised by the United Nation as “contravenes Australia’s human rights obligations.” A recent reportby The Australian revealed that, a special Brisbane court will be operating around-the-clock from 10 November, five days before the G20 summit to handle potential mass arrests against anti-capitalism protesters. The new anti-protest laws, G20 (Safety and Security) Act 2013, that governed the Brisbane operation was passed in October, 2013.

In Britain, despite PM Cameron pledged to defence the rights of Hong Kong protesters in early October, a report by Euro News (20 October) revealed that merely 3 days into the protests, the Westminster police already decided to removed the tents and protesters under a new laws which forbid anyone sleeping on the green opposite parliament.

Perhaps Beijing and Hong Kong authorities should learn from the “Free” world in enacting new laws and removed protesters who break the laws with decisiveness. The perception of freedom and human rights as western values is nothing more than the propaganda power of the western media. Protesters in Hong Kong and other developing nations should be realistic with their expectations. Freedom must go hand in hand with social responsibility. The freedom of others to use those public spaces should be respected.

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I know this article is a little bit untimely, but, provides a good insight and a chance to look back and comparatively analyze what HK has really gone through.

@Chinese-Dragon , @Keel , @tranquilium , @Edison Chen , @Nan Yang et al.
 
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The Soft-power of Hong Kong Protesters – Freedoms not enjoy by American, Britain, Canadian and Australian

By Chua Wei Ling

In a recent international human rights forum at Oslo where Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning and other jailed Occupy Wall Street protesters such as Cecily McMillan were not invited, BBC report (21 Oct. 2014) revealed that, “it is an open secret at this meeting … that plans were hatched for the demonstrations (in Hong Kong) nearly two years ago … perhaps more than 1,000 of them have been given specific training to help make the campaign as effective as possible.” The forum is filled exclusively by well funded non-western “dissidents” demonstrating no interest in echoing the voices of the 5,500 anti-US military protesters in Okinawa; or the suffering of the victims of U.S. nuclear tests in the Pacific without compensation; or the extrajudicial killing of almost a thousand unarmed civilians and children within five years by U.S. drones operation in Pakistan alone. The protesters in Hong Kong enjoyed an overwhelming support from the Oslo Freedom Forum, while the death of 5,000 civilians across America since 9/11 by the brutal and trigger happy U.S. police forces were ignored.

The power of Occupy Hong Kong protesters

The thousands of uncompromised protesters in Hong Kong have strategically and successfully occupied and erected barricades in a number of main thoroughfares (Central, Causeway Bay and Mongkok) causing chaos to traffics, businesses, and residents living in and around the protest zones for over a month now. What most western media failed to report is that, at the beginning of the protests, 3,000 public servants were unable to go to work; there [were] 37 bank branches remain closed in the protest zones a month later; tourists arrival were down during the Golden Week in October with up to 40% reduction in sales to the retail industry. Shops in the protest zones desperate for business, offered a 50% storewide discount and seeing no customer at all. A report by BBC at the beginning of the protest (3 October) revealed that ANZ bank estimated that the protests may have cost the city’s retailers more than HK$2bn.

As a result of the barricades, ambulances on emergency calls were unable to travel to the nearest hospital causing the death of a patient. Residents in the protest zones complaints about the disruption to their daily life as public transport and taxi were not available for them to travel to work, and send their children to school; an elderly woman with walking problem was reportedly forced on foot to visit hospital for her medications.

An On TV open debates was arranged for the protesters to directly air their views to the government and public failed to satisfy the protesters.

An order issued by the High Court on 21 October, 2014 to end the illegal assembly has been ignored.

Images of protesters playing mah-jong and table tennis right in the middle of the streets, having carnival-like-funs, enjoying themselves with hotpots, with some even brought in their beds and mattresses were basically ignored by the western media.

The Time report titled ‘The Main Hong Kong Protest Site is a Perfect Anarchist Collective’ has an accurate description of the protests: “There are no leaders, but everything, from the supply tents to the recycling stations, runs just beautifully.”

The powerless majority

Two months before the planned Occupy Central protest, over a million signatures have been gathered in Hong Kong in opposition to the planned protests. In August, hundreds of thousands rally against the planned Occupy movement. At the beginning of the Occupy protests, 1.5 million Hong Kong people have again signed a petition to demand for peace and reject the Occupy Central movement. A Facebook site in the name of ‘Silent Majority For Hong Kong’ is liked by more than 90,000 people. On 6 October, a Hong Konger was videoed emotionally kowtowing to student protesters telling them: “Please go home, we have kids to feed”. On 13 October, some running out of patient truck and taxi drivers and unions tried to talk to the student protesters and tear down the barricades, but the students wouldn’t listen. The Reuters (UK) described the hundreds of people who tore down protest barriers as “look like gangsters”. On 14 October, an 88 year old elderly man was reportedly kneeling in front the student protesters urging them to “open up the road so that people can go to school and work as usual.” The frustration against the dictatorial and non-reasoning protesters by the average Hong Kong people can be felt by simply viewing the daily video footages on the Hong Kong TVs (not the Western media). That same day, a number of police officers were reportedly removed from positions after an alleged beating of a protester caught on video. On 28 October, 550 Hong Kong doctors likened Occupy movement to ‘cancer’ in a petition calling for an end to the protests. On 4 November, a report by The Straits Times revealed that the Alliance for Peace and Democracy collected more than 1.83 million signatures within 9 days in a campaign to end the Occupy protests.

Protesters’ soft-power and the “Free” world leaders, NGOs and media

Earlier on, when Hong Kong police tried unsuccessfully to remove protesters with tear gas and arrests, the Human Rights Watch emailed to subscribers an article titled ‘Hong Kong: Free Protesters, Avoid Excessive Force’. Amnesty International did the same with a series of articles such as ‘China: Immediately release supporters of Hong Kong protests’ and ‘Hong Kong: alarming Police response to student pro-democracy protest’. Western leaders also took turn to condemn the Hong Kong authorities and Beijing against the crackdown on protesters. For example, David Cameron said, “UK will stand up for Hong Kong Protesters’ rights.” The US Congress released a special Congressional report on Hong Kong openly supporting the protesters. So as Canada and the surprisingly (this time only) less aggressive Australia. Western media (just to name a few, CNN, Wall Street Journal, Murdoch’s News, Washington Post) liken the crackdown as possibly another Tiananmen Square massacre in the making. They all ignored the confessions made by a number of their own journalists, declassified western government documents, the work of historians and eye witnesses accounts about the fact that , “no one die at Tiananmen Square” in 1989, and that the violence were started by the so-called “unarmed” and “peaceful” protesters. Click here for an example of how the BBC manufactured the perception of a “Massacre” without having to show their viewers a single shot of a dead person.

What China can learn from the “Free” world about protest management

In the eyes of the “Free” world and their so-called “NGOs” and “Free” media, the freedom of the Western trained Hong Kong protesters to disrupt the city economy and the daily life of the average Hong Kong people out weighted the rights of the entire population freedom to use those public spaces.

Chinese leadership may have been too busy dealing with dignitaries across the world hoping to build a 21st Century Silk Roads through their high speed rail diplomacy, BRICs’ Bank, the 4th Plenum and the APEC summit in Beijing; their lack of attention and silence on the Hong Kong protests did not exempt them from the smear campaign by the Western media.

As a researcher of media disinformation, I always belief in the power of comparisons. Human rights and freedom are not single sum games, the only way to objectively assess the issues is to compare what others did given the similar circumstances.

During the 2011 Occupy Wall Street protests in America, anti-protests laws were strengthened to ban serving food and setting up tents across the country. This is to ensure that the protesters were unable to sustain their protests. As a result, homeless communities across America became the collateral victims of the new laws. As the US economy continues to struggle with more and more angry people among the population, in 2014, more and more cities across America joint the rank to make it illegal to hand out food to the homeless.

In sharp contrast to the protests in Hong Kong and Tiananmen Square in 1989, where the protesters were the one who erected the barricades, in the land of “Freedom”, it was actually the US government who erected the barricades against the protesters. The so-called anti-Wall Street protests actually did not took place at Wall Street as they were not allowed to. In August, 2014, it was reported that ‘Protests in New York City lead to police barricades and arrests.’

Ironically, while the Hong Kong government arranged a live telecast meeting with the protesters, so as the Beijing government (through Premier Li Peng) during the 1989 Tiananmen incident, the US president not only did not border to address the concerns of the protesters in regards to the issue of 99% vs. 1%; in an incident when President Obama arrived at a protest venue to address the 1% who were paying up to $35,800 each for a diner with him, the protesters were reportedly “penned in an enclosure of barricades, informed that the area has been designated a ‘frozen zone’ until the president departure.”

While the “Free” world leaders defended the rights of Hong Kong protesters to continue occupying and obstructing the rights and freedom of the entire Hong Kong population to use those barricaded roads, it is a known reality that, the laws in the entire western “Free” world criminalised protesters who obstruct traffics during a protest. One of the most classic example is that, during the 2011 Occupy Wall Street protests in New York, the protesters who marched across Brooklyn Bridge were reportedly blocked off by police after actually being allowed onto the roadway. Once they met the police line, they ended up being arrested one by one for obstruction of traffic. Over 700 arrested this way.

A website documented the arrests of Occupy protesters across America with hyperlinks to the sources of each arrest found that almost 8,000 arrested in 122 cities. If one click through all the links on the website to view the respective reports, images and videos, once will notice that the media friendly weapons used by the US authorities against the protesters include (but not exclusively) the following:

– Peppy spray and other chemical weapons

– Peppy ball guns

– Rubber bullets

– Tasers

– Drugging

– Punching on the face

– Teargas

– Baton

– Flash-bang devices

– Bean bag guns


The name of these media friendly weapons sound harmless, however, if one search Wikipedia using the respective name of the weapons, one will notice that, many of the media friendly weapons are extremely painful and harmful to their victims with cases of reported deaths and permanent injuries each year.

The same situation in Canada, in order to prevent the spread of the anti-capitalist movement, the Canadian government indiscriminately arrested 1,100 protesters in 2011. A year later, only 24 of them were convicted for violating any law. At a time of economic hardship and rising social anger, the Harper government enacted a new law in 2013 threatening masked protesters with a ten-year jail terms. Arresting protesters in Canada is as common as in the US, an incident in March, 2014 alone saw 300 arrested at Montreal for protesting against police brutality.

Australia government is also not an angel to protesters. At a time of rising social dissatisfactions, new anti-protest laws were introduced in the past year. Just to name a few, in 2013, the State of Queensland enacted an ‘anti-association laws’; in 2014, Victoria introduced a ‘move on laws’, so that police could arrest any protester who refused to obey their order to leave; in Tasmania, the new anti-protesters laws were criticised by the United Nation as “contravenes Australia’s human rights obligations.” A recent reportby The Australian revealed that, a special Brisbane court will be operating around-the-clock from 10 November, five days before the G20 summit to handle potential mass arrests against anti-capitalism protesters. The new anti-protest laws, G20 (Safety and Security) Act 2013, that governed the Brisbane operation was passed in October, 2013.

In Britain, despite PM Cameron pledged to defence the rights of Hong Kong protesters in early October, a report by Euro News (20 October) revealed that merely 3 days into the protests, the Westminster police already decided to removed the tents and protesters under a new laws which forbid anyone sleeping on the green opposite parliament.

Perhaps Beijing and Hong Kong authorities should learn from the “Free” world in enacting new laws and removed protesters who break the laws with decisiveness. The perception of freedom and human rights as western values is nothing more than the propaganda power of the western media. Protesters in Hong Kong and other developing nations should be realistic with their expectations. Freedom must go hand in hand with social responsibility. The freedom of others to use those public spaces should be respected.

***

I know this article is a little bit untimely, but, provides a good insight and a chance to look back and comparatively analyze what HK has really gone through.

@Chinese-Dragon , @Keel , @tranquilium , @Edison Chen , @Nan Yang et al.

The so-called Hong Kong protest is a joke from the start. I mean, these are the clowns that invented "relay hunger strike" (basically, one of them will be go on hunger strike "cough" diet "cough" for two days and then stop and just ask the next guy to do it. The horror, two whole days~~~

Terry Pratchett's Discworld series has a brilliant quote: "There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal, kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do." Applying the quote here basic shows you that for money, there is not a depth deep enough that these arseholes can't sink into,
 
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Like tranquiliium said, they are just a groups of clowns making stupid jokes. If I were them, I will take time to finish the paper from the college or try to find a job making money, I won't sit there like an idiot...
 
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I read from the news, joshuo wong ends hunger strike? it is good. the fight against tyranny is a long fight. he needs to preserve his health :D
He is a joke, his weight increase during hunger strike. Maybe his a superman? Fck him
 
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He is a joke, his weight increase during hunger strike. Maybe his a superman? Fck him

He and his mob are a bunch of puss*es who are funded and used by Western powers to cause problems for China. Instead this mob is causing lots of inconvenience to the Hong Kong people. I think the western powers regret funding him. He is just not up to the job. It's just money down the drain.
 
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