HK police officer: HK protesters "are like zombies"

[Rasengan]

@Rasengan :

I agree to most of what you've said, Bro!

The strategy of the oppositions is to create conflicts, the bigger the better, the bloodier the merrier for them.
All the chapters of commotions, riots and violent confrontations are organised, well-funded and will continue for a long tme to come until the evil organisers / sponsers are seeing a full-blown repeat of the old-tune: the HK version of "June 4th" or"colour revolution"!

China is now very restrained, allowing the local police force to exercise their duties. Even so the foreign or foreign-influenced local media have already been spilling venoms on their channels saying "excessive' forces were used by the well-disciplined HK police force. What a freaking joke if you compare the conducs of the HK police to those happening in Europe or in particular the rogue state where they rioting scumbags are lying in their coffins now.

I agree the strategy of the opposition is to create conflict. But to nip this problem in the bud you must arrest the ring leaders. No organization can function when the leadership is out of the picture. The culprits are hiding behind as politicians. I was watching a programme on Aljazeera a few weeks ago. The HK police force was getting battered. They had to recuperate inside the legislative building. A journalist was interviewing a councilman. Instead of encouraging the police force the prick was berating them. The punk chose to ignore how the HK police force had men bleeding on the floor. I remember watching the movie police story where Jackie Chan punches the lawyer in the face along with the crime boss at the end of the film. I wanted that happen to the HK councilman.

I find it strange when this protest movement took place it occurred within a few days of Joshua Wong's release. If this wasn't the case then the Govt introduced this bill at the wrong time. If the rioters are funded then find the source. In Pakistan, we captured the Indian spymaster who was behind most of the terrorists attacks. The same must be true for Hong Kong.

HK police force has shown restraint. In France the police force has injured more than 5000 people of which many of them have become blind, deaf and scars litter across there bodies. China needs to give a middle finger to the west. Such violent protest in the United States would have provoked the police force to use firearms.

 

[obj 705A]

frankly speaking, the degree of indefference that the CPC in Bejing has shown towards Hong Kong in general almost makes it look like Beijing is in deep sleep in regards to HK, it would be quite troublesome if the CPC actually has the same mindset as some members here, ie: if the CPC thinks "hey no need to do anything about HK, let us sit back, relax & watch as one of the cities of the people's republic of China decends into chaos".

 

[bolo]

frankly speaking, the degree of indefference that the CPC in Bejing has shown towards Hong Kong in general almost makes it look like Beijing is in deep sleep in regards to HK, it would be quite troublesome if the CPC actually has the same mindset as some members here, ie: if the CPC thinks "hey no need to do anything about HK, let us sit back, relax & watch as one of the cities of the people's republic of China decends into chaos".

Throughout Chinese history the fall of a dynasty starts with rebellion. You have to understand all the Chinese members here have no military training nor are they leaders in their respective field. They have similar mentality

 

[vi-va]

China mainland was not affected I agree. However, remember we spoke before about the soft image of China. You can't build such an image if the Chinese Govt is being undermined by its own citizens and the situation remains in limbo. Remember I have friends from both sides of the coin. The other side is feeling optimistic a chance to start a movement which goes beyond this issue indoctrinating the next generation. My friend who is a police officer feels disheartened. They have been discouraged from using full force by there superiors. While these protestors are using all sorts of weapons. He feels the whole of Hong Kong is against the police force. It's one police officer against 40 rioters. Headgear can only give you a certain amount of protection, but it means nothing if the rioters take it from you.

There might be consensus in China that those rioters broke the law. However, even in France when the yellow vest movement was on the street causing mischief the police were called to stop them. You can read the news, the French police didn't use kid gloves. Law enforcement is the bedrock of any society as they maintain order. The Hong Kong police force is fighting this battle with its hands tied behind its back. It's the Govt's duty to protect its citizens. Law-abiding citizens have been harassed, their phones have been searched by these protestors, and many of them have been beaten up. Hence why I said the Chinese Govt needs to make a decision. 1) Revoke the bill and let the situation calm down. This will have long term negative consequences in my opinion. 2) Use the law and bring down the hammer on these protestors.



Read the above post brother.

All your points are reasonable I agree. IMO, But it has to go worse before it get better.

Have your heard of "郑伯克段于鄢" -《左传》? It's well known story in China for more than 2500 years. If you know "郑伯克段于鄢", you won't be surprised how HK was dealt this way.

 

[Rasengan]

All your points are reasonable I agree. IMO, But it has to go worse before it get better.

Have your heard of "郑伯克段于鄢" -《左传》? It's well known story in China for more than 2500 years. If you know "郑伯克段于鄢", you won't be surprised how HK was dealt this way.

Are you referring to the story of Duke Zhuang of Zheng which is mentioned in the Chinese chronicle of the Spring and Autumn Period? In your opinion is the CPC choosing to ignore the threat directly but behind the scene is waiting for the opportunity to expose the ring leaders and then strike at the right time? This is what happened in Duke Zheng's story. Both his mother and brother were plotting against him and officials from his court were urging him to take action yet he refused their proposals claiming his own family would never rebel against him. Yet he was smart enough to set a trap for his brother while playing the ignorant fool.

 

[vi-va]

Are you referring to the story of Duke Zhuang of Zheng which is mentioned in the Chinese chronicle of the Spring and Autumn Period? In your opinion is the CPC choosing to ignore the threat directly but behind the scene is waiting for the opportunity to expose the ring leaders and then strike at the right time? This is what happened in Duke Zheng's story. Both his mother and brother were plotting against him and officials from his court were urging him to take action yet he refused their proposals claiming his own family would never rebel against him. Yet he was smart enough to set a trap for his brother while playing the ignorant fool.

Yes, you surprised me again. You knew exactly what I mean in this story.

Chinese government especially the current administration is very strong. We have all the means to destroy HK riots. Chinese government has all the means to take back Taiwan anytime she want.

The concerns here are Price and Long term effects I think.

Legitimacy is very important for any government, but even more important for Chinese government. Chinese government must win legitimacy by performance and people's heart. We need to prove to HK citizens that we are reasonable, riots are not.

It will cost a lot, but I think worth it.

HK social issues are not easy to fix, it will take decades and political reforms are needed as well. It won't succeed without all HK citizens' full support.

 

[obj 705A]

in any case let us wait for one or two months to see what happens in HK, if after two months the chaos remains & even at that point Beijing continues it's indeference & inaction towards HK, then at that point Im afraid Xi Jinping may turn out to be a little bit better Chinese version of Gorbachev.
Im not saying that the exact same events that happened in the USSR would happen in China, however when the Soviets especially Gorbachev underetimated Yeltsin's popularity & allowed Yeltsin to continue his political carrier, Yeltsin ended up becoming the president of Russia, Yeltsin was a small snowball at the beginning but then he continued to roll over till be became a catastrophe that crushed the USSR.

if you underestimate a problem WITHIN your very own country and instead depend on some "long term" strategy which basicly means you will sit & do nothing to expose some ringleaders who are already well exposed then dont be surprised if the little problem snowballs into a catastrophe.

when the Tianamen protests happened, Deng waited no more than two months and then he went as far as sending tanks to crush the protests...how is that for "legitimacy" and "winning peoples hearts" @viva_zhao , Deng did the right thing, he failed to "win the hearts" of the protesters but then it turns out that the PLA is stronger than these hearts.

 

[bolo]

Are you referring to the story of Duke Zhuang of Zheng which is mentioned in the Chinese chronicle of the Spring and Autumn Period? In your opinion is the CPC choosing to ignore the threat directly but behind the scene is waiting for the opportunity to expose the ring leaders and then strike at the right time? This is what happened in Duke Zheng's story. Both his mother and brother were plotting against him and officials from his court were urging him to take action yet he refused their proposals claiming his own family would never rebel against him. Yet he was smart enough to set a trap for his brother while playing the ignorant fool.

It's very outdated and doesn't apply anymore. Chinese government already know who the culprits are.

 

[vi-va]

in any case let us wait for one or two months to see what happens in HK, if after two months the chaos remains & even at that point Beijing continues it's indeference & inaction towards HK, then at that point Im afraid Xi Jinping may turn out to be a little bit better Chinese version of Gorbachev.
Im not saying that the exact same events that happened in the USSR would happen in China, however when the Soviets especially Gorbachev underetimated Yeltsin's popularity & allowed Yeltsin to continue his political carrier, Yeltsin ended up becoming the president of Russia, Yeltsin was a small snowball at the beginning but then he continued to roll over till be became a catastrophe that crushed the USSR.

if you underestimate a problem WITHIN your very own country and instead depend on some "long term" strategy which basicly means you will sit & do nothing to expose some ringleaders who are already well exposed then dont be surprised if the little problem snowballs into a catastrophe.

when the Tianamen protests happened, Deng waited no more than two months and then he went as far as sending tanks to crush the protests...how is that for "legitimacy" and "winning peoples hearts" @viva_zhao , Deng did the right thing, he failed to "win the hearts" of the protesters but then it turns out that the PLA is stronger than these hearts.

First of all, I agree with you. and what happened in Tiananmen square has little similarity with HK.

Second, there is no economy deterioration nor political crisis in mainland China. Xi Jinping is the opposite of Gorbachev. Deng Xiaoping once said Gorbachev is a fool in 1980s, long before USSR collapsed.

Third, Xi Jinping is the strongest political figure in past 30 years in China. HK issue is isolated completely and will be handled, I have no doubt about it.

Btw, it's off topic, but I must tell you that there was no "tanks to crush the protests" unless you show me the exact videos. The protests in Tiananmen square were cleared by police before Tanks come in. It was good political decision, but should be handled more wisely.

 

[Rasengan]

Yes, you surprised me again. You knew exactly what I mean in this story.

Chinese government especially the current administration is very strong. We have all the means to destroy HK riots. Chinese government has all the means to take back Taiwan anytime she want.

The concerns here are Price and Long term effects I think.

Legitimacy is very important for any government, but even more important for Chinese government. Chinese government must win legitimacy by performance and people's heart. We need to prove to HK citizens that we are reasonable, riots are not.

It will cost a lot, but I think worth it.

HK social issues are not easy to fix, it will take decades and political reforms are needed as well. It won't succeed without all HK citizens' full support.

I have to thank my friends for educating me on the history of China. I agree the Central Govt has the means to destroy these riots. But it depends upon the opportunity cost which is often used in economics. By using force does the benefit outweigh the negatives is the key question.

In regards to legitimacy, I agree this is important for the Chinese Govt but some people will continue to moan no matter what great policies or economic reform the Govt will bring in. This outcome can't be changed in my opinion because they still hold on to the belief of how the mainlanders are just uneducated farmers and HK people are superior. HK economic power will continue to shrink in comparison to cities in Guangdong. This is bound to occur as HK has peaked and is a saturated market. Trust me brother, those who hate the CPC Govt find this hard to stomach. When my friends moan I just laugh at there stupidity which infuriates them further But this is the ground reality. I keep telling them to move on and forget about the past history. The reason why they don't like it is centred on the theory of how the CPC Govt is purposely making HK weaker. BS in my opinion but some of them hold strong views on this.

What the Govt needs to do is bring in reform in the education sector. I remember @bbccdd1470 uploaded a video where a teacher was spewing hatred against China in front of her students. This can have a significant impact on a student's future outlook.

 

[bbccdd1470]

All your points are reasonable I agree. IMO, But it has to go worse before it get better.

Have your heard of "郑伯克段于鄢" -《左传》? It's well known story in China for more than 2500 years. If you know "郑伯克段于鄢", you won't be surprised how HK was dealt this way.

You are right. From what I heard, CCP is actually finding out who is friend and foe in HK, as the foe is starting to show his face. Also I tend to not to write any Chinese' strategy here. One thing is that CCP is doing something and it would come, either way HK is doom no matter not.

you will sit & do nothing to expose some ringleaders who are already well exposed then

Beside the West, who ringleaders do you know that is from the inside of HK?

. I remember @bbccdd1470 uploaded a video where a teacher was spewing hatred against China in front of her students.

True, that is why CCP is waiting out since they have to know who is actually helping the color revolution in HK. And I think they pretty much showed their faces already. Because if they don't eliminate the traitors from the inside, the color revolution would just keep happening.

 

[Three_Kingdoms]

Some say that day is the July 21th, let's wait and see.
That's why the outsiders won't see the real picture and ground reality, those are thugs not protestors.

Many of these hooligans are from a very shady backgrounds. Like these:
Four men with triad backgrounds arrested over petrol bomb attacks on Hong Kong police
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...omb-hurled-patrol-van-early-morning-hong-kong

 

[bbccdd1470]

Many of these hooligans are from a very shady backgrounds. Like these:
Four men with triad backgrounds arrested over petrol bomb attacks on Hong Kong police
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...omb-hurled-patrol-van-early-morning-hong-kong

That's why the whole thing is a color revolution, petrol bomob was the very first incidnet that lead to the protests and riots later. You remember few days after that incident, the police arrested few people that picked up a box that contained safety helmets and some other stuffs (can't remember). The CIA had dropped those boxes around HK that let the "Peaceful Protestors" to pick up. Also one of the riot's leader who damaged the LegCo buliding flee to Taiwan in the next days and around 30 rioters also flee toTaiwan, it pretty much comfirmed that Taiwan also involved in this color revolution to damage the One country and Two systems.

ETC: Have you read the news of "riot instructional book" yet? I really think the July 21th is the day of falsed flag.

 

[Three_Kingdoms]

The ringleaders (scumbags)?
They have already presented unabashedly themselves in high profiles immediately after some serious riots:

Anson Chan

Lee Cheuk-yan, Martin Lee, James McGovern (US Senator), Mak Yin-ting, and Nathan Law. Photo: Nathan Law, via Facebook.

US Vice President Joe Biden meets Anson Chan and Martin Lee at the White House.

The traiters: dennis kwok, anson chan, charles mok

dennis kwok and anson chan in germany, meeting with some lawmakers there

That's why the whole thing is a color revolution, petrol bomob was the very first incidnet that lead to the protests and riots later. You remember few days after that incident, the police arrested few people that picked up a box that contained safety helmets and some other stuffs (can't remember). The CIA had dropped those boxes around HK that let the "Peaceful Protestors" to pick up. Also one of the riot's leader who damaged the LegCo buliding flee to Taiwan in the next days and around 30 rioters also flee toTaiwan, it pretty much comfirmed that Taiwan also involved with this color revolution to demage the One country and two systems.

ETC, have you read the news of "riot instruction book" yet? I really think the July 21th is the day of falsed flag.

That's right. These operations are part of a carbon copy of the "sunflower movement" in Taiwan.
To protect their own "secrecy" the hooligans are communicating with each other through hand-signs during the riot!

HK is a powder line (火葯引) that can lead to severe explosions on the Mainland.

They want to keep escalating the HK riots to a stage where the PRC are left with no options but to send the PLA here to gain control of the whole commotion. Then ... the staged world-wide condemnation and then world wide sanctions (an easy reference from the manual on " how to overthrow a foreign government") !!!! This is the way to grind CHINA's fast advancing machine to a complete halt.

That's why the whole thing is a color revolution, petrol bomob was the very first incidnet that lead to the protests and riots later. You remember few days after that incident, the police arrested few people that picked up a box that contained safety helmets and some other stuffs (can't remember). The CIA had dropped those boxes around HK that let the "Peaceful Protestors" to pick up. Also one of the riot's leader who damaged the LegCo buliding flee to Taiwan in the next days and around 30 rioters also flee toTaiwan, it pretty much comfirmed that Taiwan also involved in this color revolution to damage the One country and Two systems.

ETC: Have you read the news of "riot instructional book" yet? I really think the July 21th is the day of falsed flag.

Taiwan scumbgs play an active part in the whole fiasco:

She is receiving orders from her master again and again!

Taiwan’s president is planning another stopover in the US. China will be infuriated
PUBLISHED 4 HOURS AGOUPDATED 3 HOURS AGO

• Taiwan’s president is expected to transit in the U.S. on Friday — for the second time in as many weeks — as she returns from visiting diplomatic allies in the Caribbean. The move is sure to make China angry.
• Her trip comes on the heels of the U.S. State Department approving a $2.2 billion arms sale to Taiwan.
• China has threatened to impose sanctions on U.S. firms associated with the deal.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/19/tai...again-in-the-us-china-will-be-infuriated.html








Pro-Beijing camp to hold rival rallies
Local | 18 Jul 2019 5:58

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  Pro-government figures are organizing a series of demonstrations to "safeguard Hong Kong", with the first planned for Saturday evening at Tamar, RTHK reports.
  
  Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong chairwoman Starry Lee Wai-king and former health secretary Ko Wing-man are among those organizing the rallies.
  
  They said the events will be peaceful and participants should dress in white and not wear any face masks or helmets, and not to engage in any conflicts.
  
  One of the organizers of the rally, CPPCC member Kennedy Wong Ying-ho, said they want to provide a platform for people to voice their message against violence.
  
  “We are going to show to Hong Kong that we can voice [our views] in a peaceful manner and we hope the society can restore its peace and develop the economy, and allow the government to continue to press on and to develop its policy for people’s livelihood,” he said.
  
  Meanwhile, a pro-Beijing group formed mainly of CPPCC delegates held a demonstration outside the police's headquarters in Wan Chai to show their support for officers.
  
  The Friends of Hong Kong Association said it also handed over a donation of HK$10 million to the police welfare fund.
  
  David Lan Hong-Tsung, who was the SAR's first secretary for Home Affairs, also joined the demonstration.
  
  “Who give us the rule of law in Hong Kong? Who give us its confidence? It’s the Hong Kong police. They are doing a very good job,” he said.
  
  “I’ve seen many police force round the world. Among the cleanest, among the most law-abiding members on the force, you can find them in Hong Kong," he said.
  
  "No force is a hundred percent perfect, but I can tell you that the Hong Kong police force can stand up and tell the world – we are among the cleanest,” the former official said.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news.php?id=131617&sid=4

 

[bbccdd1470]

That's right. These operations are part of a carbon copy of the "sunflower movement" in Taiwan.
To protect their own "secrecy" the hooligans are communicating with each other through hand-gestures!

HK is a powder line (火葯引) that can lead to severe explosions on the Mainland.

They want to keep escalating the HK riots to a stage where the PRC are left with no options but to send the PLA here to gain control of the whole commotion. Then ... the staged world-wide condemnation and then world wide sanctions (an easy reference from the manual on " how to overthrow a foreign government") !!!! This is the way to grind CHINA's fast advancing machine to a complete halt.

Yeah, yesterday the EU just BSed about those excessive police violence but didn't say a thing about those rioters. Very insidious. Beside the hand-gestures, they use soical media to communicate each other and spread fake informations about PLA and police to mislead those cannon fodders. I have a relative who is one of the hooligans that participates every riots. Only thing I could describle him now is a religious fanatic, who can't reason and full of deep hatrd for gov't with no obvious reason (he is a property owner).