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History of Vietnam or What do you want to know about Vietnam?

So who gave VN Shaddock missile tech ?? Who sell Kilos-Su 30 on Credit to VN ??


Try to control your trash bin to make sure no more Chinese kids will starve to death inside this winter first:coffee:

as long as you have more dead kids in your trash bin with fish stink, we have no need to worry.
 
Can you make Shaddock missile/Kilos/Su 30 ?
Russia stop producing Shaddock for long time , we can make all part of it (maybe except the engine) now.

Kilos, Su 30 buy on credit, and we can exchange with rice, fish, shoes, clothes, thats so good already.
 
Dispatches
Michael J. Totten

The Ghosts of Communism in Asia
15 September 2014
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I awoke from a fitful jet-lagged sleep in Hanoi to the sound of communist propaganda being broadcast outside on a city-wide sound system. It began with patriotic Vietnamese music, which I first thought an annoying neighbor must be playing on a boom box or car stereo, but then the Ant Queen came onto the air.
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One rule in VN: when u defeat the enemy, then u will be the King. The communist defeated France-US-China, and continue to kick a huge China forces out of the conflict zone in the last conflict, then the communist will continue to be the King. Thats it:pop:
 
One rule in VN: when u defeat the enemy, then u will be the King. The communist defeated France-US-China, and continue to kick a huge China forces out of the conflict zone in the last conflict, then the communist will continue to be the King. Thats it
You forgot to mention Vietnam's key role in defeating the Khmer Rouges. Thats it.
 
China has declined several times in the history, and why didn't you claim the South China?

The answer is because your are always too weak.
The Ly dynasty took 42 days to siege one city ie Yongzhou showing how terrible they are at sieges ie 80,000 Vietnamese vs 2,800 Chinese:woot:

They love to blame Chinese for invading Vietnam when Vietnamese were the ones provoking the invasions.
 
The Ly dynasty took 42 days to siege one city ie Yongzhou showing how terrible they are at sieges ie 80,000 Vietnamese vs 2,800 Chinese:woot:

They love to blame Chinese for invading Vietnam when Vietnamese were the ones provoking the invasions.

Their appetite is absolutely insatiable, the first step is annex Indochina, then they will start to think to invade China.
 
I would like to hear more detail on this siege. Can you direct me to the source? Much appreciated .
The Ly dynasty took 42 days to siege one city ie Yongzhou showing how terrible they are at sieges ie 80,000 Vietnamese vs 2,800 Chinese:woot:

They love to blame Chinese for invading Vietnam when Vietnamese were the ones provoking the invasions.
 
The Ly dynasty took 42 days to siege one city ie Yongzhou showing how terrible they are at sieges ie 80,000 Vietnamese vs 2,800 Chinese:woot:

They love to blame Chinese for invading Vietnam when Vietnamese were the ones provoking the invasions.

In 1075 Wang Anshi, the prime minister, told the Song Dynasty emperor that Đại Việt was being destroyed by Champa, with less than ten thousand soldiers surviving, hence it would be a good occasion to annex Đại Việt. The Song emperor mobilized troops and passed decrees to forbid all the provinces to trade with Đại Việt.

was there the mobilization only 2,800 chinese ? :coffee:

There was defend action, like we did against Khmer Rouge puppet of China recently.
 
May you provide the actual source please. I would like to take a look at it.
As translated:

We are fighting along side of our Queen for the rights of the people of Southern Han, for our honor, and independent. The decisions and actions we undertake is for the cause at hand, in which we believe to be righteous. What others may write of us, good or bad, let history be the judge of it. Thus, will only come to light after 100 years of our death. Renyin Spring 18th year of Jianwu.

Zheng Ce and Zheng Er and their army all died honorably. God bless their souls. Don't blame Ma Yuan. He was only following orders.
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In 1075 Wang Anshi, the prime minister, told the Song Dynasty emperor that Đại Việt was being destroyed by Champa, with less than ten thousand soldiers surviving, hence it would be a good occasion to annex Đại Việt. The Song emperor mobilized troops and passed decrees to forbid all the provinces to trade with Đại Việt.

was there the mobilization only 2,800 chinese ? :coffee:

There was defend action, like we did against Khmer Rouge puppet of China recently.
You do realize that Wang Anshi only advocated for a Song invasion when the Ly dynasty forcibly took control of Qinzhou and Lianzhou which breached Song borders as well making excuses that the Ly were apprehending a criminal.

Before this Wang Anshi didn't want the Nong Zhigao rebellion to play out again so he negotiated with the Zhuang so they became Song militia,while Than Thieu Thai constantly raided Guangnan which understandably the Song reinforced the area.

There was only a 2,800 garrison force in Yongzhou yet it took the Vietnamese force 42 days to conquer it,you also fail to mention the Vietnamese cruelty ie the massacre of its inhabitants.

The Japanese attempted to launch a preemptive strike on Pearl Harbor yet no one today argues for its legitimacy,the Ly dynasty attempted to provoke the Song and that resulted in an Song invasion in which half of the troops died of disease not Vietnamese military superiority and which resulted in a Song victory.

Vietnamese sure love to lie that China's always the aggressor however multiple Chinese invasions have shown that Vietnamese states attempted to seize Chinese territory,resources and manpower.
 
You do realize that Wang Anshi only advocated for a Song invasion when the Ly dynasty forcibly took control of Qinzhou and Lianzhou which breached Song borders as well making excuses that the Ly were apprehending a criminal.

Before this Wang Anshi didn't want the Nong Zhigao rebellion to play out again so he negotiated with the Zhuang so they became Song militia,while Than Thieu Thai constantly raided Guangnan which understandably the Song reinforced the area.

There was only a 2,800 garrison force in Yongzhou yet it took the Vietnamese force 42 days to conquer it,you also fail to mention the Vietnamese cruelty ie the massacre of its inhabitants.

The Japanese attempted to launch a preemptive strike on Pearl Harbor yet no one today argues for its legitimacy,the Ly dynasty attempted to provoke the Song and that resulted in an Song invasion in which half of the troops died of disease not Vietnamese military superiority and which resulted in a Song victory.

Vietnamese sure love to lie that China's always the aggressor however multiple Chinese invasions have shown that Vietnamese states attempted to seize Chinese territory,resources and manpower.

It is quite normal since the Viet ultranationalists always consider the South China as their lost land.

They may keep denying it verbally, but their behavior speaks otherwise.
 
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It is quite normal since the Viet ultranationalists always consider the South China as their lost land.

They may keep denying its verbally, but their behavior speaks otherwise.
Vietnamese logic: Vietnamese invasions of Cham,Tai,Khmer,Chinese etcs are legitimate,whenever someone else invades Vietnam they go ballistic.

It doesn't matter that Vietnamese covet southern China, they never have and never will have the power to hold onto it.

Ly Nhan Tong,Ho Quy Ly and Nguyen Hue all tried and failed none of them had the military strength to successfully invade the Song,Ming or Qing.
 
Vietnamese logic: Vietnamese invasions of Cham,Tai,Khmer,Chinese etcs are legitimate,whenever someone else invades Vietnam they go ballistic.

It doesn't matter that Vietnamese covet southern China, they never have and never will have the power to hold onto it.

Ly Nhan Tong,Ho Quy Ly and Nguyen Hue all tried and failed none of them had the military strength to successfully invade the Song,Ming or Qing.

But they can keep dreaming, and we should let them to keep the dream.
 
It is good to see the views of both sides.
It is quite normal since the Viet ultranationalists always consider the South China as their lost land.

They may keep denying it verbally, but their behavior speaks otherwise.
 
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