History of Vietnam or What do you want to know about Vietnam?

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Group-----------------IQ

Southern Chinese-----105 -
Northern Chinese----- 105
Vietnamese-------------99.5
Thai---------------------98.5
Lao----------------------89
Filipinos------------------86

Actually, the above IQ chart is a lot of under estimation of of Southern Chinese IQ, which is way higher than Northern Chinese.

The below show the genetic distance chart. As you can see, Southern Chinese are quite far from Northern Chinese but group with Vietnamese and Thai.

Northern Chinese group with Japanese, Tibetan and Korean.

The History and Geography of Human Genes - Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Paolo Menozzi, Alberto Piazza - Google Books

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Thks for post, I'm right when I stated that Southern Hans are not Hans.

I think southern Chinese members don't agree that genetically Northern Han and Southern Han are far and not in one ethnic group following holograph.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

I think southern Chinese members don't agree that genetically Northern Han and Southern Han are far and not in one ethnic group following holograph.

I am not sure about others, but I am convince by evidence that Southern Chinese and Northern Chinese are far genetically. Southern Chinese cluster with Malay, Vietnamese and Thai.

The Northern Chinese cluster with Tibetan, Japs and Korean. There is a Shanghai guy who keep on ranting that Shanghai is Northern Chinese, but I believe they are mixed.

Northern Chinese are not so smart not just today, but as early as Song Dynasty. The lect of Southern Chinese is very different. Nevertheless, the centrifugal force of Han Chinese is extremely strong.

In Han Chinese we have this concept of 天下, which implies that we can only be rule by one emperor. During the ROC time of 1911-1949, no one declare independent even after much incitation by Japan.

All warlords in China despite de facto independent and resented the central government will immediately hammer the clown who wanted to declare independent.

Even Chiang Kai Shek who went Taiwan do not declare independent. This is one of the reason why China can become strong.

 

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Vietnam 2012 PISA. She is a disgrace to East Asian pride to South East Asian. Vietnamese want to be SE Asian and I think her IQ put her into the league of SE Asian.

Oops, am I Singaporean Chinese, East Asian or SE Asian? Anyway, I identify with East Asian, and our IQ are identical with East Asian.

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In case of the servey did in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh city, our scores could be higher.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

I think the survey should be done at major city in Vietnam, and I am a little cynical, but not serious about my claims that Vietnamese has low IQ. Just kidding.

The fact of high IQ China is because of massive urbanization and an improve in education and food, just like everywhere in East Asia. When Vietnam reach that level, the IQ will go up.

Another important factor is East Asians nowaday invested so much in their child that they got very low fertility rate. With that sort of investment, you get high cognitive ability.

While proud of our high IQ, there is a serious problem here in East Asians. Our society exploited us so much that we got sterilize. We invested too much in one child that we cannot afford more children.

We should have more socialism and less meritocracy, so that a family will have more kids instead of investing too much very little kids.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I am not sure about others, but I am convince by evidence that Southern Chinese and Northern Chinese are far genetically. Southern Chinese cluster with Malay, Vietnamese and Thai.

The Northern Chinese cluster with Tibetan, Japs and Korean. There is a Shanghai guy who keep on ranting that Shanghai is Northern Chinese, but I believe they are mixed.

Northern Chinese are not so smart not just today, but as early as Song Dynasty. The lect of Southern Chinese is very different. Nevertheless, the centrifugal force of Han Chinese is extremely strong.

In Han Chinese we have this concept of 天下, which implies that we can only be rule by one emperor. During the ROC time of 1911-1949, no one declare independent even after much incitation by Japan.

All warlords in China despite de facto independent and resented the central government will immediately hammer the clown who wanted to declare independent.

Even Chiang Kai Shek who went Taiwan do not declare independent. This is one of the reason why China can become strong.

Shanghainese are genetically clustered with Northern Chinese, only Cantonese/Fujianese/Hainanese are genetically mixed.

第一組（江蘇為代表）Y染色體的相同率很高（平均0.905，約九成相等），線粒體DNA的相同率也很高（平均0.785，接近0.80，約八成相等），與北方漢族差異無幾。從基因角度看，江蘇人、上海人、安徽人、浙江人算是北方人。

第二組（福建為代表）Y染色體的相同率較高（平均0.80），說明基本是北方漢族男性的後代。線粒體DNA的相同率很低（平均0.224），說明基本是南方少數民族女性的後代。綜合兩點，福建、雲南，廣東等省區的居民基本是北方漢族男性與南方少數民族女性婚配的後代。同時表明，遷徙到福建等地的北方漢族中很少有女性移民，以及當地少數民族男性很少傳下後代。

第三組（湖南為代表）情況比較正常，這組Y染色體的相同率高於0.5不是太多（平均0.74），說明少數民族男性較多地傳下了後代。線粒體DNA的數值達到0.5（平均0.488）。說明該地區（主要是湖南、湖北、江西、四川等省）居民的母系中，北方漢族女性的數量與南方少數民族女性的數量基本相等。說明北方漢族與當地少數民族均衡婚配，均勻融合。

南方漢族 - 維基百科，自由的百科全書

 

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I am not sure about others, but I am convince by evidence that Southern Chinese and Northern Chinese are far genetically. Southern Chinese cluster with Malay, Vietnamese and Thai.

The Northern Chinese cluster with Tibetan, Japs and Korean. There is a Shanghai guy who keep on ranting that Shanghai is Northern Chinese, but I believe they are mixed.

Northern Chinese are not so smart not just today, but as early as Song Dynasty. The lect of Southern Chinese is very different. Nevertheless, the centrifugal force of Han Chinese is extremely strong.

In Han Chinese we have this concept of 天下, which implies that we can only be rule by one emperor. During the ROC time of 1911-1949, no one declare independent even after much incitation by Japan.

All warlords in China despite de facto independent and resented the central government will immediately hammer the clown who wanted to declare independent.

Even Chiang Kai Shek who went Taiwan do not declare independent. This is one of the reason why China can become strong.

One more thanks for fair, objective comment.

In case of Shanghai_ren (Wu Yue) are native people, no mixed with Northern Han, they could be Middle Chinese. As I know they do business as well as Southern Chinese do.

For the mtDNA, following early post of my countryman Rechoice, its very tranger when Vietnamese shared huge O2b with Korean and Japanse, what Northern and Southern Chinese don't have.

Northern Chinese are smart or not you are Chinese could know it as well. The concept of 天下, Thiên hạ is translated in to Vietnamese, its confucious idea could apply to Vietnam too. Vietnam was in turmoil like 12 warlords or Trinh, Mac, Nguyen warlords or South and North Vietnam recently. At the end we reunified our country, it should be not depend on Communists or Nationalists.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

One more thanks for fair, objective comment.

In case of Shanghai_ren (Wu Yue) are native people, no mixed with Northern Han, they could be Middle Chinese. As I know they do business as well as Southern Chinese do.

For the mtDNA, following early post of my countryman Rechoice, its very tranger when Vietnamese shared huge O2b with Korean and Japanse, what Northern and Southern Chinese don't have.

Northern Chinese are smart or not you are Chinese could know it as well. The concept of 天下, Thiên hạ is translated in to Vietnamese, its confucious idea could apply to Vietnam too. Vietnam was in turmoil like 12 warlords or Trinh, Mac, Nguyen warlords. At the end we reunified our country, it should be not depend on Communists or Nationalists.

Only South Chinese such as Cantonese are 100% business oriented and have nothing to do with politics.

We Middle Chinese are dominating in both politics and science in modern China, Xi Jinping is Northern Chinese, but his two predecessors Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao are both Middle Chinese near the area of Shanghai. Our Premier Li Keqiang is also Middle Chinese.

Sure, Middle Chinese are not same as Northern Chinese, but we aren't same as Southern Chinese as well.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Only South Chinese such as Cantonese are 100% business oriented and have nothing to do with politics.

We Middle Chinese are dominating in both politics and science in modern China, Xi Jinping is Northern Chinese, but his two predecessors Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao are both Middle Chinese near the area of Shanghai. Our Premier Li Keqiang is also Middle Chinese.

Sure, Middle Chinese are not same as Northern Chinese, but we aren't same as Southern Chinese as well.

Middle Chinese are the smartest Chinese, I have to admit. The Southern Chinese tribe of mine, Min used to be quite smart until we got quite a devastation by Manchus. The top imperial scholar in Ming Dynasty came from mostly Fujian, Zhejiang, Jiangxi and Jiangsu.

明朝状元列表 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

泉州 Quanzhou, my ancestral town, used to be the biggest port in China.

In China, there is a saying that the capital cannot be put in Middle China, and must go preferably in Beijing. Anyone who build capital in middle China see the empire destroy. Even though Northern China is poorer, the capital city must go to North. Its kind of strange that despite middle China is the economic power house, the capital city is in the north.

江南脂粉之地，六朝废都

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Middle Chinese are the smartest Chinese, I have to admit. The Southern Chinese tribe of mine, Min used to be quite smart until we got quite a devastation by Manchus. The top imperial scholar in Ming Dynasty came from mostly Fujian, Zhejiang, Jiangxi and Jiangsu.

明朝状元列表 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

泉州 Quanzhou, my ancestral town, used to be the biggest port in China.

In China, there is a saying that the capital cannot be put in Middle China, and must go preferably in Beijing. Anyone who build capital in middle China see the empire destroy. Even though Northern China is poorer, the capital city must go to North. Its kind of strange that despite middle China is the economic power house, the capital city is in the north.

江南脂粉之地，六朝废都

Dr. Sun also prefered Nanjing as the capital of China just as many Cantonese regime founders, but to put the capital in Northern China, it is not about superstition, but to balance the importance between Northern China and Southern China.

 

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Thks for you when you accepted my idea "Middle Chinese" for Wu Yue people. Its just for identification, is not for ethnic or race discrimination.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Dr. Sun also prefered Nanjing as the capital of China just as many Cantonese regime founders, but to put the capital in Northern China, it is not about superstition, but to balance the importance of Northern China and Southern China.

国民党建都南京20年完蛋。南京真的是皇朝大克星。The KMT got defeated after 20 years in Nanjing. In recent China history, putting capital in Beijing seems to result to a stronger country.

Anyway, its right that Beijing is a better choice to balance northern and southern China. Also when I visited my company office in Beijing and Shanghai, the atmosphere in Beijing seems to be more relax and less politicking. Or more directly "lazy". They are also very direct and can be violent.

上海人狡猾可恶。

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Thks for you when you accepted my idea "Middle Chinese" for Wu Yue people. Its just for identification, is not for ethnic or race discrimination.

Here is my rough estimation about the percentage bloodline for Southern Chinese groups.

Shanghainese: 70% Han & 30% Baiyue in Male Lineage, 50% Han & 30% Bai Yue & 20% Hmong-Mien in Female Lineage

Cantonese: 70% Han & 30% Baiyue in Male Lineage, 20% Han & 60% Bai Yue & 20% Hmong-Mien in Female Lineage

Hunanese: 50% Han & 50% Hmong-Mien in Male Lineage, 50% Han & 30% Hmong-Mien & 20% Bai Yue in Female Lineage

Northern Han Chinese love the areas around Shanghai, thus they brought their entire family along with them. Some Bai Yue men were marrying the women from Northern China.

While those Northern Han Chinese males in Guangdong are lone expatriates who married with the local Bai Yue women.

 

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Middle Chinese are the smartest Chinese, I have to admit. The Southern Chinese tribe of mine, Min used to be quite smart until we got quite a devastation by Manchus. The top imperial scholar in Ming Dynasty came from mostly Fujian, Zhejiang, Jiangxi and Jiangsu.

明朝状元列表 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

泉州 Quanzhou, my ancestral town, used to be the biggest port in China.

In China, there is a saying that the capital cannot be put in Middle China, and must go preferably in Beijing. Anyone who build capital in middle China see the empire destroy. Even though Northern China is poorer, the capital city must go to North. Its kind of strange that despite middle China is the economic power house, the capital city is in the north.

江南脂粉之地，六朝废都

泉州 Quanzhou is first city in China applied open policy in Man Qing Dynasty, if I'm right.

I read in the book, it stated the proverb in China, is that : Who rule Zhong Yuan of China, he is ruled China. Zhong Yuan is in North China.

So that all the rebels or revolution initiated from South, but Capital will be in the North after victory. like Long March of Mao Zedong, right ?

 

[Lux de Veritas]

泉州 Quanzhou is first city in China applied open policy in Man Qing Dynasty, if I'm right.

I read in the book, it stated the prove in China, is that : Who rule Zhong Yuan of China, he is ruled China. Zhong Yuan is in North China.

So that all the rebels or revolution initiated from South, but Capital will be in the North after victory. like Long March of Mao Zedong, right ?

Quanzhou is open port long long time ago, and during Tang dynasty, it gain prominence. The Ming dynasty is reactionary and only allow certain open port, and Quanzhou is one of them.

All military fights must be settle in central plains, and the South usually surrender without much fighting. The South cities like Nanjing and Hangzhou used to be capitals but these dynasty are short or quickly taken over by Northern Chinese.

Also in China, there is a pattern that any dynasty who lost korea, soon got destroy. The Qing lost Korea in 1895, soon Qing also gone. Mao win the Korean war. The communist should stay for quite long.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

国民党建都南京20年完蛋。南京真的是皇朝大克星。The KMT got defeated after 20 years in Nanjing. In recent China history, putting capital in Beijing seems to result to a stronger country.

Anyway, its right that Beijing is a better choice to balance northern and southern China. Also when I visited my company office in Beijing and Shanghai, the atmosphere in Beijing seems to be more relax and less politicking. Or more directly "lazy". They are also very direct and can be violent.

上海人狡猾可恶。

Hong Xiuquan and Sun Yatsen were both Cantonese. For them, Beijing was too far away. Even the modern KMT from Taiwan still believe that Nanjing is more suitable as the Capital of China.

Of course, many Shanghainese are arrogant and snobbish, i am not going to deny it.