there is NO such thing: "pure" Kinhs. As I said elsewhere, the newest scientific (genetics) findings say the first Viets most likely came from the Sea (perhaps islands in the Pacific) and mixed with Locals when they settled down in Red River delta.
If there is no such thing as pure Kinh then why do some Vietnamese members care so much that Han Chinese are mixed?
ie this lost Baiyue nonsense.
Can you show me some genetic sources I'm just curious that's all.
EastSea does not spam.
Allow me to make a comparison. Do you believe to God?
In Germany many people believe to God. If you ask them for historical evidence for the existence of God, you will get a lengthy answer that perhaps does not satisfy you.
Again we are talking over the period that "might" have happened 5,000 years ago. Understandably it is difficult to find historic evidence in tropical Vietnam, where regular monsoon rains wash everything away. Secondly the events occured in times where country borders were not clearly marked. Ancient Van Lang might have existed (maybe not), along with ancient China, where borders were overlapped. Last but not least, I don´t know, either whether any writing records were made for this period.
Only one thing is sure, people in Vietnam celebrate Hung Kings.
The image of Van Lang covering Southern China has been posted by EastSea in post 723 and 1070 while the user Rechoice has also shown it in previous threads.
Dai Viet su ky toan thu was written about 3000 years after the first Hung King tell me how is this reliable?
Without any archaeological proof this written passage is useless if there were archaeological artifacts of such importance (such as the oracle bones proved Shang exists then) then maybe there can be a claim.
In the Kham dinh Viet su Thong giam cuong muc
洞庭地夾兩湖實在百粵之北巴蜀猶隔雋滇(今屬雲南) 不相接壤舊史侈大其辭殆與後蜀王之事皆屬傳虛而未之
Dongting is in between the 2 Hu's(Hunan and Hubei),Dongting is north of where the Baiyue lived.
Ba and Shu were separated from Vietnam from Dian(in Yunnan),thus they did not border each other and previous texts overestimates Van Lang's land. The events of Shu Pan and Van Lang's land is thus untrustworthy and unproven.
考也況所分十五部皆交阯朱鳶以內全無一部在北可證其誣也
The 15 divisions of Van Lang are in the areas of Jiaozhi and Zhuyuan,there isn't a single division north of those areas.
Germany and God has nothing to do with this topic.
There was no such state recognized by scholars as Vietnam and China since the Shang did not exist in the earliest reign of Hung kings.
If Van Lang existed the various "Chinese" states would have written about it if Dai Viet su ky toan thu is correct.
In my opinion myth such as the Van Lang/Xia dynasty should be treated as myth and not be used to promote nationalistic agendas.
ie Southern Han Chinese are brainwashed Vietnamese or some nonsense like that.