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Thai-Vietnamese War of 1833
Battle of Rạch Gầm-Xoài Mút
January 20, 1785. was fought between Tây-Sơn (Vietnamese) and Siamese forces. It is considered one of the greatest victories in Vietnamese history.
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It wasn't really a fair military victory since Nguyen Hue lured the Siamese in a trap by telling them to come under banner of truce, but really planning to attack the Siamese when they were unprepared and thinking the time was a formal parlay. I don't consider Battle of Rach Gam Xoai Mut as the thesis of a great military victory.
According to Bushido, that was dishonorable tactic by Nguyen Hue. Any Japanese Warlord during the Sengoku Jidai would prefer to commit Hara Kiri than do something as dishonorable and duplicitous as that.
I think you you have mixed Nguyễn Huệ (Tay Son Dynasty) and Nguyễn Ánh (Nguyen Dynasty).
Nguyễn Anh has been used Siem army to attack Nguyễn Huệ in 1785. There is nothing related to dishonorable tactic here. Nguyễn Huệ has reattacked on Siem and defended himself.
well, there's difference in english wiki and Vietnamese document, so I'm not sure about the truth, but Nguyen Anh was not stupid leader to deceived ...No it was Nguyen Hue who lured the forces of Nguyen Anh and the Siamese Army to a supposed peace deal, the allied forces of Nguyen Anh and the Siamese accepted and lowered their defenses thinking that it was an honorable official parlay. Unbeknownst to them, the forces of Nguyen Hue immediately blocked all exits for the Siamese Navy and had their artillery fire on Siamese ships and killing the Siamese general , decimating the forces of Anh and the Siamese (estimated about 40,000). This was an unfair battle and the duplicitiousness of Nguyen Hue does not warrant foreign military strategists to see this as 'Great' Battle at all. Now, say, had the Vietnamese forces of Nguyen Hue defeated the forces of Anh and the Siamese in open battle , then I would give my respect.
But in regards to the actual historical events, nay, there is no honor in it.
well, there's difference in english wiki and Vietnamese document, so I'm not sure about the truth, but Nguyen Anh was not stupid leader to deceived ...
No it was Nguyen Hue who lured the forces of Nguyen Anh and the Siamese Army to a supposed peace deal, the allied forces of Nguyen Anh and the Siamese accepted and lowered their defenses thinking that it was an honorable official parlay. Unbeknownst to them, the forces of Nguyen Hue immediately blocked all exits for the Siamese Navy and had their artillery fire on Siamese ships and killing the Siamese general , decimating the forces of Anh and the Siamese (estimated about 40,000). This was an unfair battle and the duplicitiousness of Nguyen Hue does not warrant foreign military strategists to see this as 'Great' Battle at all. Now, say, had the Vietnamese forces of Nguyen Hue defeated the forces of Anh and the Siamese in open battle , then I would give my respect.
But in regards to the actual historical events, nay, there is no honor in it.
There was no peace talk between Nguyen Hue and Siamese before.
It is interesting that in 1785 the Siamese had the capacity to send an army of over 40,000 to assist Anh. It was just some 10 years prior that Siam had just repelled the Burmese from their lands. Talk about an immediate military rise. I am intrigued to know why Anh courted Siam's help, why didn't he court the Qing Dynasty.
North Vietnam (tonkin) was under rule of Trinh Warlord, enemy of Nguyen Warlord in South Vietnam (cochin-China).
Did you read your own quote? It said that Nguyen Hue sent a naval force under a banner of truce to lure them into a trap. Do you know what Banner of Truce means?
Banner of Truce:
1. a white flag displayed as an invitation to the enemy to confer, or carried as a sign of peaceful intention by one sent to deal with the enemy.
Clearly, the intentions of Hue was not peaceful at all. Don't you agree? The mistake of the Siamese and Anh was in lowering their guards during this Formal parlay.
He should have remembered the lessons of Sun Tzu, "Never lower your eyes to your enemy..."
Vietnamese noble and people will not accept that action, and will united to against Nguyen Anh. The Viet know Chinese is dangerous enemy and didn't welcome them.Yes, i know that. But i am just curious to know why Anh asked for military arbitration from Siam and not from the Qing Dynasty of China.
Yes, i know that. But i am just curious to know why Anh asked for military arbitration from Siam and not from the Qing Dynasty of China.
Vietnamese noble and people will not accept that action, and will united to against Nguyen Anh. The Viet know Chinese is dangerous enemy and didn't welcome them.
And Nguyen Anh know Chinese so well, if he want help from Chinese, he will must pay big price, even may be cost his nation after he had it.
officially, Qing Dynasty China recognized Le Dynasty in Vietnam (in fact Le Dynasty is puppet of Trinh warlord). In reality the conflict in Vietnam between Tring Warlord with, Nguyen warlord or Nguyen Hue rebels is internal affair of Vietnam. Qing Dynasty didnt cared about this incidents.