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exactlly! vn has to give back northern part and all the islands back to china, as vn is the most well-known robber in south asia

Phrase 1: how Chinese is brainwashed :rofl: :rofl: They said that Vietnam used to be occupied by China so Vietnam belongs to China. Yeah, so France belongs to Germany :rofl:
Phrase 2: in Chinese propaganda :rofl: :rofl:

calling others stupid, do you know you are the most ridiculous one here, with all those vietcon propagandas with 0 historical prove``

oh``i forgot, you lot cant read your own authentic history books`:no:

So can you prove that there used to be a Hmong kingdom or something like that? :rofl:
 
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lol a chinese drop out thinks he knows better than the chinese about themselves``what a joke`:D

in fact, people in all rural area in difference Provinces, if no learned Mandarin in schools, they couldn't understand what radio and TV from Peking talk about.
No dialect, it's difference languages.
 
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Tibetans, given their own religion (Tibetan Buddhism) are a separate nation. The two nation theory is gospel truth here, and according to that holy truth Tibet is a separate nation.

Yes, I think Tibet had been an seperate nation with its own culture before being conquered by a greedy China.
It is said that hundreds thousand of Tibetan were killed or tortuned by China authorities and Tibetans have been fighting for their re-independence with its spirit leader Dalai Lama.
 
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Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ;1922213 said:
Phrase 1: how Chinese is brainwashed :rofl: :rofl: They said that Vietnam used to be occupied by China so Vietnam belongs to China. Yeah, so France belongs to Germany :rofl:
Phrase 2: in Chinese propaganda :rofl: :rofl:



So can you prove that there used to be a Hmong kingdom or something like that? :rofl:

India, Pakistan and Bangladesh belongs to China.

Emperor Babur was a descendant of Genghis Khan!

:rofl:
 
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In China, people from beijing call themselves beijingnses
people from Canton call themselves Cantonese
People from Minan call themselves minnanese
people from shanghai call themselves shanghainese
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But all these people are Han Chinese.

In fact, China is a united nation which is established from hundreds of smaller countries. Cantonese and southern China now originally were not China's. They were swallowed from Viet's nation. Guangxi, Guangdong, Fujian, Hunan, Yunnan, Hainan... were originally Viet's nation. Please do not tell lie to yourself that Cantonese, Minanese are Han Chinese. They speak their own languages and don't understand what the Northern Chinese (truly China) is speaking. Each race must speak their own language. That is a simple but extremely crucial to realise how they are. So Cantonese and minnanese... they are not Han Chinese. The truly recognized Chinese were from Northern China (north of Yangzte River up North).
But this issue is not closed to History of Tibet. So let's talk to it in another time.
 
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Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ;1921242 said:
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No. We are people who live in the East, so independence is no.1. Don't care you are superpower or idiot, we will to be against your invasion at all cost.

If you are so independent, why you have millions of people illegally cross into China, abandoning their "independence"?

No, you don't put independence as number 1: your countrymen's action gives you a crispy slap on your face!

Tibetan still want their independence :azn:

So, negotiate with the rest of the Chinese to revise the 17 points agreement. This is the contract that binds both sides.

I mean, put your "want" into action, not just stay in your f!lthy mouth.

Oops, sorry but they don't want to gain independence. Vietnamese gov. take care about them, never suppress them with military, never force them to learn Vietnamese, offer many policies which support Cham people... The most important, there is no racism in Vietnam, all ethnics are equal

Ok, let's read this:
Montagnard Christians in Vietnam

2001-2011: Cycles of Repression
The Vietnamese government has launched a series of crackdowns during the last 10 years to suppress political organizing and independent religious activities among Montagnard Christians. Elite security units have hunted down and arrested Montagnard activists in hiding and sealed off the border with Cambodia to prevent asylum seekers from fleeing the country.

During these crackdowns, authorities have committed clear-cut violations of fundamental rights, including arbitrary arrest, imprisonment, and torture. Officials have employed coercion to pressure Montagnards to renounce their religion and pledge their loyalty to the government and the Communist Party of Vietnam. Police have used excessive force to dispel largely peaceful protests, resulting in the deaths of as many as eight Montagnards during demonstrations in April 2004 [13] as well as injuries and deaths of others during arrest and in police custody. At various times, restrictions have been placed on travel within the highlands, on public gatherings, and on telephone communication with the outside world.

At the same time, the government has initiated some reforms to address Montagnard grievances, including official programs to allocate land to ethnic minority families, improve educational opportunities, and bring economic development to the impoverished region. Police who have been posted in villages to monitor activities of suspected Montagnard leaders and prevent escapes to Cambodia have also carried out public works projects such as assisting villagers with farming and village clean-up projects.

The following timeline, drawn from Vietnamese state media accounts, western wire service reports, and Montagnard sources, illustrates a continuous pattern of repression of independent political and religious activities in the Central Highlands during the last 10 years.

February 2001:
Authorities suppress widespread demonstrations by Montagnards by dispatching tanks and elite troops to the region and arresting dozens of protest organizers. Afterwards, authorities enforce sharp restrictions on public gatherings, church meetings, and freedom of movement. [14]

April 2001:
Officials announce that 13 military regiments are to be located in an “economic defense zone” in Dak Lak and neighboring Binh Phuoc province, bordering Cambodia. The plan calls for the resettlement of close to 100,000 soldiers, militia, and their families, who are to clear up to 230,000 hectares of land to plant rubber, cashews, cotton, coffee and pepper.[15]

May 2001:
Officials organize “goat’s blood ceremonies” in dozens of villages in the Central Highlands. Villagers who participated in the February 2001 demonstrations are forced to stand up in front of their entire village and local authorities to admit their wrongdoing, pledge to cease any contacts with outside groups, and renounce their religion. To seal their loyalty, they are forced to drink rice wine mixed with goat's blood.[16]

February 2002:
An additional 2,300 soldiers are deployed in Gia Lai, Dak Lak, and Kon Tum provinces, with party cadre sent to “hot spots” and remote areas to help maintain order.[17]

August-September 2002:
Police tighten security and arrest close to 70 Montagnards in Gia Lai, Dak Lak, and Phu Yen provinces in an effort to suppress Montagnard protests reportedly planned in Mdrak district of Dak Lak and Buon Ma Thuot City.[18] “We arrested all the demonstrators. Nobody could escape,” a police chief in Dak Lak tells reporters.[19]

October-December 2002:
More than 600 “fast deployment” military teams are dispatched to the highlands. [20] Authorities intensify propaganda campaigns against “hostile forces” in the highlands, culminating in an October 2002 Party directive outlining the government’s efforts to eliminate “Dega Protestantism.” [21] State media covers officially organized ceremonies in which Montagnard Christians “voluntarily” reject their religion, with Dak Lak provincial television broadcasting programs called “Dispersing the Illegally Self-Elected Protestant Board of Deacons” and “Illegally Self-Elected Protestant Deacons Voluntarily Disperse,” showing Montagnard Christians “volunteering” to abandon their religion. [22] In November, government officials report that more than 2,700 Christians have severed connections with “bad elements who abuse religious issues to sow divisions in national unity,” dozens of evangelical Christians have confessed to having preached illegally, and 37 religious “cells” have been disbanded. [23]

February 2003:
Government and party officials in the Central Highlands are instructed to “eradicate all illegal religious organizations” and to organize official “Swearing Brotherhood” (le ket nghia) ceremonies in which Montagnards must publicly pledge their loyalty to the government and the party and renounce “Dega Protestantism.”[24] To enforce the new directives, police launch a fresh round of arrests of Montagnard Christians and political activists, as well as those suspected by the government of seeking to flee to Cambodia.[25]

January 2004:
Authorities intensify crackdown on Montagnards, with Mobile Intervention Police searching villages and nearby coffee plantations—sometimes with dogs—to arrest Montagnards suspected of supporting the Dega church movement. After cordoning off a village, prohibiting entry and exit, the security forces then enter the village. They search the homes of villagers suspected of hiding or feeding others, often destroying the houses and beating the inhabitants during interrogation. They then fan out into nearby fields and forests, searching for people in hiding.[26]

July 2004:
After widespread Montagnard protests in the Central Highlands in April 2004, the Department of Central Highlands Security (Cuc An ninh Tay Nguyen) is founded after a national conference on security in the highlands presided over by then-Deputy Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung. [27] Elite police units, such as PA43, Political Security Section VI units, the Mobile Intervention Police, and the “Special Task Force” are dispatched to the region to back up provincial and district police to prevent further demonstrations, root out Montagnard activists in hiding, stop the flow of asylum seekers to Cambodia, and bring an end to groups allegedly taking advantage of ethnic issues and religion to incite social turmoil. [28]

Late 2004—Early 2005:
Police operations focus on capturing “reactionary FULRO operatives” in Dak Doa and Chu Se districts of Gia Lai, with state media reporting that 147 people are arrested in late 2004, including Kpa Hung, a key “ringleader” who is shot and wounded during his arrest and is now serving a 12-year prison sentence.[29]

March 2005:
Targeting of Montagnard Christians for persecution, arrest, and mandatory renunciation sessions intensifies after promulgation of legislation that requires all religious groups to be officially registered. Decree 22, promulgated in March 2005, bans any religious activity deemed to threaten national security, public order, or national unity. Instruction No. 1, issued by the Prime Minister in February 2005, specifically bans Dega Protestantism.[30] The new regulations provide legitimacy to government officials and police arresting or forcing the recantation of faith of Montagnards belonging to religious groups that operate independently of the government-approved Southern Evangelical Church of Vietnam.[31]

November 2005:
Plans are announced to send 2,000 families from northern Vietnam to live and work in “Economic-National Defense Zones” (ENDZ) in Kon Tum and Gia Lai provinces near the Cambodian border. The Prime Minister also approves a plan to send 400 “young intellectuals” and members of the Communist Youth Union to the ENDZs for two-year terms to “enhance socio-economic development and strengthen defense” in the region.[32]

April 2006—July 2009:
PA43 forces and provincial police launch a “1,200-day campaign” that focuses on capturing “reactionary FULRO operatives” and “Dega Protestants” in Chu Se district, Gia Lai.[33]

Mid-2006:
Government begins implementation of the 01 CA-QS plan by provincial and district police and military Corps 15 to ensure political stability, national security, and defense in three border districts of Gia Lai and for rubber plantations located there. Goals of the 01 CA-QS plan are: a) ensure national security and defense (both political security and security of rubber plantation); b) eradicate FULRO and prevent escapes into Cambodia; c) mobilize masses to turn in reactionaries; and d) stop crime, especially illegal smuggling of rubber.[34]

August 2006:
The Special Task Force, an elite police unit within the E20 Battalion of the Central Highlands Mobile Police, coordinates with PA43 units and district and provincial police to hunt down and suppress FULRO “ringleaders,” focusing on Gia Lai.[35]

January 2007:
Plans are announced for construction of resettlement villages in border and low-income areas, including four Central Highlands provinces, for young people from other parts of Vietnam to “uphold their pioneer role in socio-economic development.”[36]

April 2007-June 2010:
Public security forces launch a three-year offensive that targets Montagnard church activists in Chu Se district, Gia Lai.[37]

May 2010:
Officials launch propaganda campaigns and public criticism ceremonies targeting the Catholic Ha Mon sect in Kon Tum, Gia Lai, and Dak Lak provinces.[38]

June 2010:
Heightened border security, arrests, and forced renunciation ceremonies take place in Gia Lai, allegedly in response to unrest in rubber plantations in Chu Prong district.[39]

Montagnard Christians in Vietnam | Human Rights Watch

So Yuan Dynasty is a Chinese Dynasty???

Yup! You are right. The Mongols renounced their identity voluntarily and claimed that they would inherit Chinese tradition, and named their country "Yuan" by following the Chinese philosophy and culture.

Now you see how pathetic your crippling education system is!
 
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Every foreigner who came and ruled China are a Chinese Dynasty.

Helps in inventing history to suit the occasion.

There are no peoples in China, they are all a part of a 'culture'!

Culture is all encompassing and convenient!
 
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Qinghai-Tibet Railway

The Qingzang railway, Qinghai-xizang railway, or Qinghai Tibet railway is a high-altitude railway that connects Xining, Qinghai Province, to Lhasa, Tibet Autonomous Region, in China.

The total length of Qinghai-Tibet railway is 1956 km. Construction of the 815 km section between Xining and Golmud was completed by 1984. The 1142 km section between Golmud and Lhasa was inaugurated on 1 July 2006 by president Hu Jintao: the first two passenger trains were "Qing 1" (Q1) from Golmud to Lhasa, and "Zang 2" (J2) from Lhasa.This railway is the first to connect China proper with the Tibet Autonomous Region, which due to its altitude and terrain is the last province-level entity in the People's Republic of China to have a conventional railway. Testing of the line and equipment started on 1 May 2006.Trains run from Beijing, Chengdu (where you can see pandas), Chongqing (which is the gateway of Yangtse River), Xining and Lanzhou.

The line includes the Tanggula Pass, at 5,072 m (16,640 feet) above sea level the world's highest rail track. The 1,338 m Fenghuoshan tunnel is the highest rail tunnel in the world, at 4,905 m above sea level. The 3,345-m Yangbajing tunnel is the longest tunnel on the line. It is 4,264 m above sea level, 80 kilometres north-west of Lhasa.

More than 960 km, or over 80% of the Golmud-Lhasa section, is at an altitude of more than 4,000 m. There are 675 bridges, totalling 159.88 km, and about 550 km of the railway is laid on permafrost.

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I been to Shanghai, people on street don't understand Mandarin, we need interpreter:wave:.

I've been in Shanghai at least 20-30 times. And you tell me "people on street don't understand Mandarin"?

Then how could I happily spend my money?

Perhaps in an isolated instances that some really old people spent whoel his/her life in a dead-ended lanes/remote sports/slum locations do not have chance to learn/speak Mandarin.

In fact, my nephew born in N America who survives really well in Shanghai for a summer with his US-learnt Mandarin. :lol:

You are merely a frog at the bottom of a really, really tiny well.

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In addition, if those people in Shanghai are literate, they can always communicate in written Mandarin.

Heck, I am even able to communicate simple ideas with Japanese and Koreans with written Mandarin.

I feel really pitiful towards Vietnamese who abandon Mandarin while the whole world is embracing it...
 
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chinese Tibet Autonomous Region

Brief Introduction To Tibet Autonomous Region

Geographic Conditions: Tibet -- Xizang -- is its Chinese name -- is an autonomous region of the People's Republic of China and covers 1.07 million sq. km. (500,000 sq. mi.) in China's southwest corner. Nepal, Myanmar, India and Bhutan cluster along its southern border. Most of Tibet consists of high-altitude plateaus and mountain wilderness, which is how it has earned the name of the Roof of the World.
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The Potala Palace

Lhasa, the "City of Sun," is nestled high in the Gyi Qu Valley and is blessed with seasonally mild and humid weather from monsoons in India 160 km.(100 mi.) to the south. Tibetan winters, as might be supposed, are fiercely cold. But for half the year, strong sunlight warms the thin air, making most days in Lhasa comfortably mild and, owing to protective mountains, relatively windless. Summer temperatures hover above 30'C (high-80s F) and only to drop to a searing -23'C (-10'F) in midwinter. The best time to visit is from late spring to early fall.
 
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He is paid to post, perhaps by RAW: and Indian memeber of 50 cents party. :lol:

We do not have 50 cent party nor it is our style..I believe you have confused us with some other very powerful country:P
 
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Tibetan King Tombs
Health Considerations for Visitors: No matter when to visit Tibet, however, the 3,600-m.(12,000-ft) altitude of the Lhasa Valley will be a factor to consider, even if you live year-round in the Rocky Mountains or Switzerland. For the first few days, at least, the ubiquitous green canvas oxygen bags will be constant-and most welcome companions. Any form of over-exertion (such as running or strenuous climbing) is patently dangerous, with even the fittest specimens courting dehydration and pulmonary strain.

Most visitors will feel some form of mild discomfort-usually some combination of headache, nausea, dizziness, chest pain, or insomnia. Lots of rest and aspirin are the best remedies, although extreme symptoms may signal the onset of more serious forms of altitude sickness. In these cases, a physician should be consulted at once. The best cure in most cases may be an immediate return to a level ground. Smoking and drinking will only exacerbate the discomfort.
Prior to 1980, the Chinese required rigorous physical exams of all passengers prior to boarding their flight to Lhasa. Since then, however, this requirement has been waived for many groups. But visitors with high blood pressure, or any respiratory or heart ailments, are advised to attend to the risks and reconsider their travel plans.
Tibet is beautiful. Until 1950, no cars or trucks or carts were permitted to traverse the few dirt roads for fear that their wheels would scar the earth and thereby release evil spirits. No pollution mars the magnificent, jagged mountain peaks or darken the deep, clear lakes.

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Jokhang Temple
 
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Tibet in History: Tibet also has a mystical charm. The atmosphere of fatalistic serenity and powerful beliefs in evil spirits stemmed in part from Lamaism, an ancient sect of Tantric Indian Buddhism, coupled with Tibetan Shamanism, which held sway every aspect of Tibetan life from the 7th century until political reforms begun in 1959. Albeit most of the monasteries and temples are now officially designated as historical monuments, hundreds come to worship daily, with large throngs still appearing on religious holidays.

Tibet's entire history is marked by intense preoccupation with religion, and by sporadic political autonomy through the centuries. Briefly conquered by the Mongols when they ruled China (1279-1368), the region came under Manchu control in the 18th century.

Before the Democratic Reform of 1959 Tibet had long been a society of feudal serfdom under the despotic religion-political rule of lamas and nobles. Although they accounted for less than 5 percent of Tibet's population, they owned all of Tibet's farmland, pastures, forests, mountains and rivers as well as most livestock. Serfs made up 90 percent of old Tibet's population.

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Barkhor Street
The central people's government and the local government of Tibet signed in 1951 the 17-Article Agreement on measures for the peaceful liberation of Tibet, and Tibet was peacefully liberated. This brought hope to the Tibetan people in their struggle for equal personal rights. After the quelling of the armed rebellion in 1959, the central people's government, in compliance with the wishes of the Tibetan people, conducted the democratic reform in Tibet and abolished the extremely decadent and dark feudal serfdom. The million serfs and slaves were emancipated. From that time on they won the right to personal freedom. This was a great, epoch-making change in Tibetan history. The Tibetan laboring people began to enjoy the right to subsistence, along with adequate food and clothing.

Freedom of Religious Belief: The majority of Tibetans believe in Tibetan Buddhism. There are also about 2,000 Muslims and 600 Catholics in the autonomous region. Respect for and protection of freedom of religious belief is a basic policy of the Chinese government. Protected by the Constitution of the People's Republic of China and laws, the Tibetan people now enjoy full freedom to participate in normal religious activities.

The Chinese government has appropriated more than 200 million yuan in special funds to implement the religious policy in Tibet. For the renovation of the Potala Palace alone, the central government allotted more than 40 million yuan.

To date, more than 1,400 religious centers have been renovated and opened to the public, meeting the needs of the religious people for their normal religious life.

Special State Aid to Tibet's Development: Tibet has quite harsh natural conditions. To change the backward situation and promote the common prosperity of all ethnic groups, the central government and the people of the whole country have offered great support to Tibet in terms of labor, materials, finances and technology as well as in policies, demonstrating their special concern.

Tibet started to implement the Eighth Five-Year Plan and the Ten-Year Program in 1991. Major State-financed projects include the comprehensive development of the drainage area of the middle reaches of the Yarlung Zangbo, Lhasa and Nyang Qu rivers, a project started in 1991 with a total investment of 1 billion yuan; -- construction of the Yamzhog Yumco Pump-Storage Power Station, one of the state's key projects aimed at helping ease the power shortages in Lhasa and the surrounding area; construction of the Qinghai-Tibet, Sichuan-Tibet, Nagqu-Qamdo and China-Nepal highways with an investment of over 1 billion yuan; the expansion of the Gonggar Airport in Lhasa. The runway can accommodate Boeing 747s and other jumbo passenger aircraft; construction of the Lhasa Post and Telecommunications center, which entails the addition of 11,000-channel program-controlled telephone exchanges and 54 ground satellite stations in 47 counties.
 
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