History of Punjabis

[Adam Elvin]

I like this thread, it's useful and informative however I just wanted clarification on what the OP considers Punjab. The geographical area that makes up the Punjab currently, has changed over the years. It has been argued that the area making up Punjab was included in ancient Sapta-Sindu or Panchanada. That would encompass a far greater land area than what is currently defined as Punjab.

Additionally, what is the ethnic and cultural make up of the Punjab? Do we consider only the indeginous peoples or the many Invaders that have settled in the region or even people who claim external decent as Punjabi too? I was thinking specifically of the many invasions beginning with the Greeks, Turks, Pashtuns, Persians and Mongols.

My apologies, I know it is a bit late in the thread but just wanted clarification on two points above.

 

[ghazi52]

Maharajah Duleep Singh Entering His Palace In Lahore, Escorted By British Troops, Circa 1847.

This Depicts The Entry Of The Child Maharajah Duleep Singh (1838-1893) To His Palace In Lahore Accompanied By An Escort Of British Troops Commanded By Brigadier Cureton, Following The First Anglo-Sikh War (1845-46).

Here, Maharajah Duleep Singh Was Forced To Renounce His Sovereign Rights To The British Government Under Governor-General Hardinge. The British Installed Their Ally Gulab Singh, As Maharajah Of These Territories.

Artist - Charles Stewart Hardinge Plate 9 From "Recollections Of India, Part 1 - British India And The Punjab" By James Duffield Harding (1797-1863) After Charles Stewart Hardinge (1822-1894), The Eldest Son Of The First Viscount Hardinge, The Governor General.


Tomb Of Maharaja Ranjit Singh Lahore, Circa 1880's.

 

[Asian.Century]

Look at this : Punjabi Supremacists now openly claim as the most superior race:

Salman Taseer daughter twitter account:

https://twitter.com/sarataseer

Sara Taseer
@sarataseer
Too fascist for the liberals. Too liberal for the fascists. Punjabi supremacist. B(Sc)Econ LSE UK, UWC alum. Jewellery Artist. Salmaan Taseer my fab Abba.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Look at this : Punjabi Supremacists now openly claim as the most superior race:

Salman Taseer daughter twitter account:

https://twitter.com/sarataseer

Sara Taseer
@sarataseer
Too fascist for the liberals. Too liberal for the fascists. Punjabi supremacist. B(Sc)Econ LSE UK, UWC alum. Jewellery Artist. Salmaan Taseer my fab Abba.

Landay kai liberal.. they are worthless people not worthy of getting a mention in this nice thread

 

[ghazi52]

1) Punjab during that era was under an indigenous kingdom known as the Takka kingdom, known to Muslims as the Bilad i Takkiya. The name is ultimately seen to be derived from Takkesar which itself is taken to come from Takshasila (Taxilla) making Taxila its capital.

The Takka Kingdom, before its decline and fall to the Hindu Shahis, was quite a large kingdom. A conversion of this level would’ve had strong affects and many historians would’ve wrote of it, however the Kingdom of Usaifan doesn’t find a mention anywhere.

 

[ghazi52]

Mul Raj Diwan of Multan, Photograph by Surgeon John McCosh (1805-1885), 1849 (c).

Mul Raj was governor (Diwan) of Multan, a Sikh city that had fallen under British rule in 1846 after the 1st Anglo-Sikh War (1845-1846). In a dispute over taxation the British ordered his replacement by Sikh Governor, Sirdar Khan Singh, and a British political agent, Lieutenant Patrick Vans Agnew.

However, when Agnew arrived at Multan he and his associate, Lieutenant William Anderson, were murdered by an angry mob. Although it is unlikely that Mul Raj ordered the murders, because of them he was forced into open rebellion, so beginning the 2nd Sikh War.

When Multan was taken by the British in January 1849 Mul Raj was captured and although spared execution was sentenced to life imprisonment. It was during his incarceration that McCosh photographed him and this probably accounts for his sombre expression.

 

[ghazi52]

Coin of Muqarrab Khan Gakkhar reading: “Darmiyan Attock wa Jhelum shud Muqarrab Badshah.” “Between Attock and Jhelum only Muqarrab is King.” After Nadir Shah’s invasion of 1739, Muqarrab khan of Northern Punjab rose to prominence in the doab between Indus and Jhelum -







Locking horn with multiple foes in both directions of his vicinity including Pashtun tribes to his west and other Punjabi tribes to his east. He eventually occupied Gujrat and ruled, albeit briefly, from Chenab till the Indus with the country of the Jhelum in between.

 

[SaadH]

Porous was punjabi? even though the word punjab came into the lexicon millennia later?

Punjabis of today are not, especially on Pakistani side of the border, an ethnic monolith...

They are interbred with other ethnicities of Pakistan and many are full blooded pushtuns or Kashmiris or even Baloch living in Punjab as Punjabis...

Punjabi race is an aritifical construct...

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Porous was punjabi? even though the word punjab came into the lexicon millennia later?

Punjabis of today are not, especially on Pakistani side of the border, an ethnic monolith...

They are interbred with other ethnicities of Pakistan and many are full blooded pushtuns or Kashmiris or even Baloch living in Punjab as Punjabis...

Punjabi race is an aritifical construct...

Punjab is quite diverse I agree. Punjabis especially get along well with the Pashtuns and pashtuns also generally get along well with Punjabis except the nationalist ones who are few and far between.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Porus put up stiff resistance but did not defeat Alexander. You do not become governor/client King of a Satrapy by defeating the conqueror of the world. Makes no sense.

 

[ghazi52]

Mehmud Ghazni captured Nandana (Capitol of Punjab), Pakistan in Mar 1014 AD. Al Utbi in Tarikh Yamini (1021 AD) states that a stone was found in temple of great Buddha with an inscription that the temple had been founded 40,000 years ago. Sultan's wise men considered it false.

 

[ghazi52]

Raja Tej Singh born a Brahmin and became Sikh in 1816 after joining court of Ranjit Singh in 1812.

After serving in Sikh Army he was made Raja of Sialkot in 1847. British records indicate that he was a British agent & had a big hand in defeats of Sikh Army in many crucial battles.

 

[ghazi52]

Since 11th century, Punjabi language was written in Shahmukhi script, similar to Urdu. Some famous works of Punjabi literature were written in Shahmukhi by Guru Nanak, Farid Ganjshakar, Shah Hussain, Khwaja Ghulam Farid, Sultan Bahu, Waris Shah, Bhai Nand Lal Goya & Bulleh Shah.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

Some famous works of Punjabi literature were written in Shahmukhi by Guru Nanak, Farid Ganjshakar, Shah Hussain, Khwaja Ghulam Farid, Sultan Bahu, Waris Shah, Bhai Nand Lal Goya & Bulleh Shah.

hmm? as far as I knew the Sikh gurus and other Sikhs wrote in Lahnda script, a precursor to Gurmukhi derived ultimately from Brahmi. did they ever use Persian/Arabic scripts? source?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Since 11th century, Punjabi language was written in Shahmukhi script, similar to Urdu.

Early urdu of 11th century was not written in shah mukhi script but in the nastaliq script. Shahmukhi script was standardized for Urdu language much later in 14th century.