History of Indonesia Pakistan relationship.

[Rusty]

Nope. You are fighting something you made and tried to kill others with. Call it a war or peace talks or xyz. You have more blood on your hands than the rest of South Asian countries put together.

tell me
In your mind
Are there mountains of sugars and rivers of milk?

Pakistan is fighting a war, why are you expecting it to be peaceful?

Just answer that one question please.
I want to judge if you have it all up there or not.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Currently Pakistan-Indonesia ties not strong

 

[Contrarian]

tell me
In your mind
Are there mountains of sugars and rivers of milk?

Pakistan is fighting a war, why are you expecting it to be peaceful?

Just answer that one question please.
I want to judge if you have it all up there or not.

While you are limiting yourself to see just an almost civil war to cause the killings, others including me see that Pakistani's themselves chose to go down this path to this war. Thus the inevitability of war was certain by the actions the people and leaders of Pakistan were taking in the preceding decades which is the cause of such violence. So they cannot justify war as a cause of the violence. The cause is something else, war is merely a manifestation of that cause.

 

[Rusty]

While you are limiting yourself to see just an almost civil war to justify the killings, others including me see that Pakistani's themselves chose to go down this path to this war. Thus the inevitability of war was certain by the actions the people and leaders of Pakistan were taking. So they cannot justify war as a cause of the violence. The cause is something else, war is merely a manifestation of that cause.



While you are limiting yourself to see just an almost civil war to justify the killings, others including me see that Pakistani's themselves chose to go down this path to this war. Thus the inevitability of war was certain by the actions the people and leaders of Pakistan were taking. So they cannot justify war as a cause of the violence. The cause is something else, war is merely a manifestation of that cause.

This is quite funny actually.
Nothing like a delusional self righteous Indian to start the day.

Once again, I am asking you
Why do you expect Pakistan to be peaceful when we are fighting a war?
If you don't understand the question then there is no shame in admitting it
You can get some help here.

 

[Contrarian]

Apparently you still dont get what I am alluding to. It is not the war that is the cause of violence. The cause is Pakistani people's actions and mindset, decisions of their military and civilian rulers. Those decisions were bound to cause violence in Pakistan.

So i dont expect a peaceful Pakistani society even after this war ends. Thus the answer of your question.

 

[Rusty]

Apparently you still dont get what I am alluding to. It is not the war that is the cause of violence. The cause is Pakistani people's actions and mindset, decisions of their military and civilian rulers. Those decisions were bound to cause violence in Pakistan.

So i dont expect a peaceful Pakistani society even after this war ends. Thus the answer of your question.

I already know what you are alluding to, you are setting up a straw man after I called you out for your silly statement.
Unfortunately for you, i am not a noob that will fall for your straw man.
Your original post was comparing the people of Indonesia, who are at peace times with Pakistan who are at war times.
You quickly realized how dumb that was and instead of backing off you tried to change the topic to what ever nonsense you are spewing now.

So please drop the straw man and either tell me why you expect peace in a country that is at war or you can simply back away from that statement and knowledge that you were wrong in saying what you said ( I would call it trolling).

 

[Contrarian]

I already know what you are alluding to, you are setting up a straw man after I called you out for your silly statement.
Unfortunately for you, i am not a noob that will fall for your straw man.
Your original post was comparing the people of Indonesia, who are at peace times with Pakistan who are at war times.
You quickly realized how dumb that was and instead of backing off you tried to change the topic to what ever nonsense you are spewing now.

So please drop the straw man and either tell me why you expect peace in a country that is at war or you can simply back away from that statement and knowledge that you were wrong in saying what you said ( I would call it trolling).

The people of Indonesia are not extremists as a good portion of Pakistani population are. Maybe you miss this crucial fact in your rant. And so whether at 'peace times' in Pakistan or 'war times', it will always be a better society and thus have lower levels of violence or religious bigotry than Pakistan- which is a prerequisite for people of minority faiths to start needing protection.

 

[Rusty]

The people of Indonesia are not extremists as a good portion of Pakistani population are. Maybe you miss this crucial fact in your rant. And so whether at 'peace times' in Pakistan or 'war times', it will always be a better society and thus have lower levels of violence or religious bigotry than Pakistan- which is a prerequisite for people of minority faiths to start needing protection.

On what basis do you declare the people of Pakistan extremist?
Last I checked, our largest city was not shut down for a day after a bigot and hatemonger died, and no one was sent to jail for simply making facebook posts in Pakistan.
So please, tell me how Pakistanis are "extremists"
And apparently asking a simple question now means it's a rant....again, Indian logic

I find it hilarious when Indians run their mouths like this. It's like they don't seem to understand that anything they throw at Pakistan, we can simply throw it back in their face.
Extremest? RSS? Shiv Seena?
Bigots? Bal thakary?
Terrorist? Maoists, Khalistan movement
Religious intolerance? 2002, Babri, etc

You know the Chinese members always make fun of you guys for having low IQ, and now I understand why.

If I start mocking Mumbai for being crowded and ******, I would have to be mentally retarded to not expect you to say the same about Karachi. So this is why I don't say stupid stuff like that.

 

[Contrarian]

On what basis do you declare the people of Pakistan extremist?
Last I checked, our largest city was not shut down for a day after a bigot and hatemonger died, and no one was sent to jail for simply making facebook posts in Pakistan.
So please, tell me how Pakistanis are "extremists"
And apparently asking a simple question now means it's a rant....again, Indian logic

I find it hilarious when Indians run their mouths like this. It's like they don't seem to understand that anything they throw at Pakistan, we can simply throw it back in their face.
Extremest? RSS? Shiv Seena?
Bigots? Bal thakary?
Terrorist? Maoists, Khalistan movement
Religious intolerance? 2002, Babri, etc

You know the Chinese members always make fun of you guys for having low IQ, and now I understand why.

If I start mocking Mumbai for being crowded and ******, I would have to be mentally retarded to not expect you to say the same about Karachi. So this is why I don't say stupid stuff like that.

News almost daily coming out of Pakistan shows that the Pakistani population is going further towards extremism. If you fail to spot the signs, dont blame me. Because many many Pakistani's see it and sense it and have written about it.

By all means if you think you have no problem of extremism and radicalism and lack of tolerance in Pakistani society then sure, Pakistan will be the land of milk and honey after this 'war' is won. A very tolerant, vibrant and accepting society celebrating diversity - right after this 'war' is over.

 

[Rusty]

News almost daily coming out of Pakistan shows that the Pakistani population is going further towards extremism. If you fail to spot the signs, dont blame me. Because many many Pakistani's see it and sense it and have written about it.

By all means if you think you have no problem of extremism and radicalism and lack of tolerance in Pakistani society then sure, Pakistan will be the land of milk and honey after this 'war' is won. A very tolerant, vibrant and accepting society celebrating diversity - right after this 'war' is over.

another strawman
You didn't show me how the people of Pakistan are extremists. This might be strange for you but outside India, people don't just believe you without evidence when you say stupid things. So please, show me systematic evidence of the people of Pakistan being extremists while keeping in mind that anything you do say, I can simply point back at India and show the same things. Only low IQ people would think that it's a good idea to throw rocks when they live in glass houses.

Honestly man, you should really just walk away. You are just looking like a fool who is trying to air his bigotry and hatred for the world to see.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

You know the Chinese members always make fun of you guys for having low IQ, and now I understand why.

Some degenerate Chinese members here make fun of forum members (Indians, Vietnamese) for having low IQ ,is based on a controversial study on IQ of nations which taken as immutable truth possibly attributed to inferiority complex from Japanese and colonial rule.

Funny thing about you taking that as an example is the fact the same study which shows Pakistanis/South Asians with same IQ level as Indians. Your deviant mentality to slavishly appease the Chinese prevents you from comprehending the fact of not only racial overtones but insulting to Pakistanis and Islamic world

But then again is that any surprising considering that.............

 

[I spikes therefore I am]

another strawman
You didn't show me how the people of Pakistan are extremists. This might be strange for you but outside India, people don't just believe you without evidence when you say stupid things. So please, show me systematic evidence of the people of Pakistan being extremists while keeping in mind that anything you do say, I can simply point back at India and show the same things. Only low IQ people would think that it's a good idea to throw rocks when they live in glass houses.

Honestly man, you should really just walk away. You are just looking like a fool who is trying to air his bigotry and hatred for the world to see.

Why you seeks evidence which is obvious. You want us to tell those details???

I find it hilarious when Indians run their mouths like this. It's like they don't seem to understand that anything they throw at Pakistan, we can simply throw it back in their face.
Extremest? RSS? Shiv Seena?
Bigots? Bal thakary?
Terrorist? Maoists, Khalistan movement
Religious intolerance? 2002, Babri, etc

Its clearly showing your immaturity.

 

[Contrarian]

another strawman
You didn't show me how the people of Pakistan are extremists. This might be strange for you but outside India, people don't just believe you without evidence when you say stupid things. So please, show me systematic evidence of the people of Pakistan being extremists while keeping in mind that anything you do say, I can simply point back at India and show the same things. Only low IQ people would think that it's a good idea to throw rocks when they live in glass houses.

Honestly man, you should really just walk away. You are just looking like a fool who is trying to air his bigotry and hatred for the world to see.

Sorry mate, our society is not even close to being as violence prone as Pakistan's is. However you talk about low IQ and whatnot - sharing the same results as India. You give a laugh on your ignorance.

You, instead of answering questions, just point back. Very typical of a Pakistani. Be that as it may, im sure your society will become very tolerant and accepting right after this 'war' is over.

Extremest? RSS? Shiv Seena?----------They are not terrorist organizations doing suicide bombings, gun attacks. Nothing like LeT, JeM, etc.

Bigots? Bal thakary?--------------Worked a hell lot of for local people. Hate him or love him, he stood on his principle. Nothing like UN declared terrorist like HS.

Terrorist? Maoists, Khalistan movement---------Internal insurgencies, every country has it. Need I say more, we all know.

Religious intolerance? 2002, Babri, etc----------Communal riots, many caused by politicians. Muslims and other minorities are occupying many important positions at each level of governance and other fields.

We can argue this for a long time. Nothing will be achieved. So just leave it here.

The thing most Pakistani's find amusing is that they have religious violence every year, and when confronted they pull out something that happened in India a decade ago and think its the same.

The levels of violence they suffer and perpetrate, they equate it with what happens here regardless of teh fact that the intensity here is much much less.

Then again, all is well in Pakistan as long as 'its there in India also'.

 

[Rusty]

Sorry mate, our society is not even close to being as violence prone as Pakistan's is. However you talk about low IQ and whatnot - sharing the same results as India. You give a laugh on your ignorance.

You, instead of answering questions, just point back. Very typical of a Pakistani. Be that as it may, im sure your society will become very tolerant and accepting right after this 'war' is over.



The thing most Pakistani's find amusing is that they have religious violence every year, and when confronted they pull out something that happened in India a decade ago and think its the same.

The levels of violence they suffer and perpetrate, they equate it with what happens here regardless of teh fact that the intensity here is much much less.

Then again, all is well in Pakistan as long as 'its there in India also'.

So 2002 was just a dream?
How about those rapes that happened a few days ago?
Was that also just a dream?
You guys are seriously living in a delusional land.
And it is quite obvious that you have low IQs since you can't seem to understand that your beloved Bharat also has violence and extremists just like Pakistan, yet you come here and make a fool of yourself by pointing fingers at Pakistan.
And what questions? you are just making srawmen arguments and pretending India is a galactic supa dupa pawa.

We have "religious" violence because we are fighting a war
Tell me, how much "religious" violence were we having before 2001?
Indians are not even fighting a war yet you guys feel the need to kill a few thousand people every few years.

And again, Indian logic states that when I said "we have violence because we are fighting a war" = "everything is alright with Pakistan"

how about you guys first deal with your rapist before looking toward us?

 

[Jamaal Yelmaaz]

the relationship will not be so sweet once majority of Indonesians becomes Christian.

yes sir....you r giong to right . because according to western source Turkey has already became a christian country