Historical Background of Pakistan and its People

[jinxeD_girl]

apparently we are culturally similar but u will notice a big difference if you live with these two communities.
to tell you wat i mean let me say it again. visiting pakistan and visiting india is almost the same thing in cultural aspect but living in pakistan and living in india is completely different again in every aspect.

though i havent lived in india, but where i live here in UK i have more (not many) indians around me than pakistanis and i can feel the difference.

about the language well ......... hahahahaha. when did farci became our language. Urdu is mostly the language of muslims of indian sub continent. and from wat i remember it was indian sub continent which was divided into two states now called india and pakistan. also majority of pakistanis are not of any persian haritage. pashtuns, punjabis, balochis, shindhis, and others have been here since centuries. ull find people with arab and other linage but they have also been here for more than 500 yrs and are now very much people of indian sub continent.

pashtuns, balochis and tajiks are iranic peeople related to Persians..

 

[jinxeD_girl]

Wallaahi i'm pakistani not indian..........

I still doubt that you are Pakistani.. Even if you are NOT indian.. you are something else..

Wallaahi is a word commonly used by Arabs.. not so much by Pakistanis..

 

[TheEnrichedOne]

Well i will definitely respond more in-depth tomorrow regarding my thoughts and feelings on this issue. If you tried to understand my post, you may recognise that personally I am not content with Pakistani's following the trashy indian culture such as watching their movies and so forth as well as following their traditional dogmas as I seen in the UK (whom refer to it as the practises back home) which you may not be aware of greater than I am since I reside here.

You have reached my inner child.

Also i'm ignorant to understanding the way of life (to some extent) in Pakistan and whether they have the similalr attitudes there. I've always accepted Pakistanis from Baloch, Sindh, Wazaristan, Punjab and the northern areas unfortunately the Pakistani government does not provide these areas with enough social/economic support which is why i'd like to raise the issue of why Punjabs are considered more important in relation with all the other ethnicities within Pakistan or is that since the government is corrupt?

Government is corrupt.

And is this the sole purpose as to why there is a rapid growth of tribal areas across Pakistan becoming anti-gov and thus anti-military as a result (whilst being brainwashed by the influx of Taliban and fundamentalists arriving into the NWF and westerns regions)???? I'm referring here to the tribal regions that have developed fundamental ideas at present.

Don't extrapolate.

 

[ajpirzada]

pashtuns, balochis and tajiks are iranic peeople related to Persians..

but havent they been living in this same place for centuries???
also how are they iranic? i dont know much about all this

 

[jinxeD_girl]

but havent they been living in this same place for centuries???
also how are they iranic? i dont know much about all this

Yes they are living in their lands for centuries... but the language culture e.t.c of Pashtuns, Balochis etc is considered "Iranic". They belong to "Iranian tribes" which includes Persians, Kurds, Balochs, Lurs, Tajiks, Pashtuns etc... and that includes modern day Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Iran, Kurdistan and Western Pakistan (pashtun and balochi areas)..

Here is the language map... (kurdish, balochi, pashto are classified as Iranian languages, not Indian)

http://img200.imageshack.us/i/iesatem1.png/

and here is the extent of Iranian tribes

http://img44.imageshack.us/i/iranski.jpg/

Also you might want to check this article about Iranian peoples :-


Iranian peoples - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ajpirzada]

so basically its only punjabis, sindhis, and urdu speaking who are indic.... rest all are iranic which include baluch, pashtun, kashmiri & baltistani. so this thread starter guy wasnt completely wrong. isnt it?

 

[jinxeD_girl]

so basically its only punjabis, sindhis, and urdu speaking who are indic.... rest all are iranic which include baluch, pashtun, kashmiri & baltistani. so this thread starter guy wasnt completely wrong. isnt it?

yes he wasn't wrong, but I think he was being sarcastic when he said "Pakistanis being descendants of Arabs, Europeans and Russians" or maybe he was just being ignorant?

As far as Punjabis are concerned, their language culture etc is classified as Indic but recent genetic tests have shown that 40% Punjabis also carry West and Central Asian genetic markers (That does make sense because Punjab being the first Indic state and surrounded by Kashmiris, Central Asians, West Asians etc) because throughout its history Punjab has been invaded again and again leaving high amount of genetic foot prints from Central and West Asia.

So as a WHOLE, Pakistanis are quite different from Indians. Actually Urdu was NOT one of the dominant languages spoken in present day Pakistan before partition... it is still the mother tongue of ONLY 8% Pakistanis.

 

[ajpirzada]

yes he wasn't wrong, but I think he was being sarcastic when he said "Pakistanis being descendants of Arabs, Europeans and Russians" or maybe he was just being ignorant?

As far as Punjabis are concerned, their language culture etc is classified as Indic but recent genetic tests have shown that 40% Punjabis also carry West and Central Asian genetic markers (That does make sense because Punjab being the first Indic state and surrounded by Kashmiris, Central Asians, West Asians etc) because throughout its history Punjab has been invaded again and again leaving high amount of genetic foot prints from Central and West Asia.

So as a WHOLE, Pakistanis are quite different from Indians. Actually Urdu was NOT one of the dominant languages spoken in present day Pakistan before partition... it is still the mother tongue of ONLY 8% Pakistanis.

that is quite interesting.
so can i say i am pakistani arabian punjabi

urdu was mainly chosen because it represented sub continent muslims. otherwise neither in bangal nor in the then western pakistan had urdu as their mother language.

 

[jinxeD_girl]

urdu was mainly chosen because it represented sub continent muslims. otherwise neither in bangal nor in the then western pakistan had urdu as their mother language.

yeah I know .. I don't want Farsi to be our national language either, those were the views of the thread starter quoting him here :-

"Therefore, at this day and age when we have established our own internationally recognized state, why don't we practise our true culture such as considering the national language to be Persian (Farci) "

 

[RobbieS]

Jinxy, about the Iranic people map. Does it show Kashmiris as Iranic people as well? If it does, its the first time I have seen that.

 

[niaz]

Whatever roots of the language or the ethnicity of the genes; the fact remains that Urdu was the most widely understood language in the united India. Even today an Urdu speaker doesn’t need any interpreter any where in the Northern and Central India. Similarly a Hindi speaker wouldn’t have any problem in conversing in any Pakistani city.

Try that with Persian and you would know the difference. Pakistani universal language is Urdu and would remain so.

 

[jinxeD_girl]

Jinxy, about the Iranic people map. Does it show Kashmiris as Iranic people as well? If it does, its the first time I have seen that.

Kashmiris are Dardic people, not Iranic.

Where did I say Kashmiris are Iranic? and Kashmiris like Mirpuri etc are Indic people..

 

[jinxeD_girl]

But Northern parts of Kashmir (Gilgit - Baltistan etc) are occupied by Pamiri Tajiks which are Iranic

 

[Ahmad]

Kashmiris are Dardic people, not Iranic.

Where did I say Kashmiris are Iranic? and Kashmiris like Mirpuri etc are Indic people..

could you tell us more about Dardic people?

 

[Spring Onion]

Thats pathetic of you to make such an ignorant comment. Wallaahi i'm pakistani not indian..........how could you possibly mistake me? Is it due to my criticisms towards Pak's? I'm not, i'm just pointing out simple facts actually!

Well i'm going to respond to everyone's posts tomorrow as its 4 am and i need to get some sleep

just check the highlighted word in red. We have already banned many of Bharatiyas who were having same problem of using the word and we have no doubt you are hiding behind Our lovely flag.


And as far as the fact bwahahahha You Know what even if you make me Queen of England i would not like to claim myself to be of Indian origion in exchange for that.


So get a life man Pakistanis dont like to be called themselves Hindustani origion