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His Royal Highness, Prince Khalid Bin Salman Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, visits GHQ

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Mangus Ortus Novem said:
Oye Shahzade,

Think the AFT n Yank Deal!

Find your answer!

Mangus
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But isn’t all this “Not too fast now”, or if this really is the case, then Maybe USA truely is sincere with the withdrawal. Let’s wait for this March, If Zulus come, then this will confirm multiple things.

F-16s coming, Block 72, V upgrades, Used F-16s, and most importantly USA really intends to leave Afghanistan for sure...

Windjammer said:
With DG ISI present, there's certainly some substance to this visit.
In the meantime, some joint exercise also taking place.

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Someone of that calibre wouldn’t come for a mere Exercise preparation or talks... Definitely something really important this time i hope !!!

Bas socho, 23rd March parade, Block 3 flypast, Bravo flypast, then out of a sudden ZULUS appear :-):-)

Mangus Ortus Novem said:
The US needs to exit from ME...but it cann't leave a totally Independent Persian Actor either.

TheThridActor doesn't wish to remain without the US cover to hide its $Trillions Insecurity.

But the US also doesn't wish to concede ME to China and Russia on a platter to fill the gaps.. it will not stop The Killing Fields.

With the Death of Syria and Iraq TheThirdActor inculding Israel and Persia are in far better position as their Comprehensive Strength is in balance..

However, without the US as Disruptor of an Independent Actor... everyone, rightfully, feels the Existential Anxiety...which needs to be filled in such a way is acceptable to everyone.

EmergingPakistan:

We need an Actor in TheGame which is a bridge to all and not ambitious to Carve Influence... an Actor which can sooth everyone's anxiety and provide the Security that is needed.

In the Emerging Strategic Security Architecture ... a US-Persia Grand Bargain which only covers for Israel is a disastrous proposition..as it will open the floodgates of Killing Fields in the Greater Middle East of which Pakistan is a crucial part.

Pakistan is the ONLY Actor which has the means to provide security to both Persia and the Rest... furthermore, Pakistan is the ONLY Actor who enjoys the confidence of the US, China, Russia and TheThirdActor Collective including Israel.

As in the case of Kabulistan... the Outsourcing of Security to Pakistan is agreed by all Actors of The GlobalGame... as similar agreement needs to take place here in the ME.

Pakistan must develop a joint military wing with Persia to guarantee its anxiety... as must Pakistan deploy its troops and equipment in the $5Trillion Insecurity Shpere...

It goes without saying that the Sanctions on Persia then must be lifted.. Pakistan must offer JF Thunder Block3 to all parties in ME including Persia...with localised production...

With increase in Pak workforce in value added sectors of the GCC it is imperative that GCC and Pakistan become a single market... this must also be offered to Turkiye and Persia...

All in all Pakistan must be part of the Grand Bargain with Persia which is about to happen as OrangeBall indicated...

Petro-Dollar Recycling is not going to be like it was..this is something TheCollectiveWest must accept since... China is now in for Recycling as well...

A mere 20% would be needed to have RealSecurity for GCC and Persia than the current $5Trillion Insecurity...

However, this requires fundamental shift in the GlobalGame and ME local Game... acceptance of Pakistan is a must... by just throwing some free baksheesh... is not going to cut anymore.

Herein there is a sign of Pakistan not taking anyone's side.. though threatened to not go to KL was something which will come to haunt in the longterm to the concerend...

It is high time Pakistan tests its ICBMs and come out of the closet..

Pakistan can and must offer Nuclear Umbrella to GCC and Persia as part of the Grand Bargain.... both Persia and GCC can keep on wasting their money and resources to 'buy' influence.. in ZerosumGame...but everyone then be playing by the Agreed Rules of TheNewGame after the Grand Bargain with Persia.

With a single market... we can rebuild Iraq and Syria...

However, it is also imperative that we must stop pretending that there is NO Israel.

Israel is reality and a rather potent one. Most if not all GCC have direct relationships with them.

And for those who think that Persia and Israel are mortal enemies... after Israel the biggest number of Asiatic Jews live in Persia... and there is strong proPersia Jewish lobby in the US and Europe...

We must stop fooling ourselves with these Soundbites of Superpowers or Hyperpowers...

Apart from occasional madmen we have Extremely Rational Actors in the ME Game.

Everything is possible... but it is the Probability that matters.

We need statemen... we need a StrategicThinker a la Kessinger... SMQ is non of that. In fact we don't have statesmen with vision.

For the wannabe secterians... Remember Allama Iqbal R.A. was Sunni and he went to bring back Quaid e Azma R.A. from London... who was Shia...

The Biggest Tragedy of Secterian Killing Fields in Pakistan is that we have Paks conditioned to be loyal to outsiders /other states than Pakistan....

Allama Iqbal, Quaid e Azam and all of the founding fathers and millions who died or left behind didn't make Pakistan for it to become KillingFields but Home for ALL Muslims.

If only Paks, Young and Old, could understand what does Idea of Pakistan mean...and why Iqbal and Jinnah wanted it so bad...

If Pakistan wants to become a Middle Income Country and curtail the Rise of GanguFacistRegime... it must become Security Provider to both Persia and GCC...with explicit acceptance of Israel as reality...

For now Hotair Brovadoz will continue from RationalActors .. US and Persia.... we must expect a TwitterWar and some.... and all this time both regimes will be dying to come out of the closet and Sing YMCA together.

A Grand Bargain without Pakistan is meaningless!

@Ipcha Mistabra I wonder when you will take a handle in SumerianScript?


@WebMaster @StormBreaker @Khafee @Slav Defence @Irfan Baloch @The Eagle @HRK @Dubious @MastanKhan @Signalian @Horus @Arsalan @Hakikat ve Hikmet @cabatli_53 @Vergennes @Verve @Reddington @Rafi @Great Janjua @masterchief_mirza @SIPRA @Flight of falcon @maximuswarrior @Vortex @PakSword


@WebMaster @Slav Defence my dear Paks, I believe this piece might offer us a Framework to Rationaly understand ME and our place in it.

Kindly, make it sticky.. and when brovadoz and counter brovadoz die down a bit..please, merge the threads regarding killing of the Iranian General and Persian responce and all in between... we can have a great source of Case Study in RealPolitieck!
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Herein lies the answer and the probable situation @Mangus Ortus Novem , don’t know why you deleted your post of suggesting me to go through the game of chicken, but i went through it again, here is the relevant part i brough here.

THIRD ACTOR
 
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India is not any more attractive for investment after Delhi Muslims Massacres. Several Countries are announcing travel advisory to their nations if a trip to India. So, for them, 100bn and 46bn dollars in hotel and tourist industries are like investing in drain pipes... that is why this visit makes a sense to them to GHQ. Also, OIC acting weirdly to pass statement for Muslims favor, very strange
 
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Mangus Ortus Novem said:
Yesterday/last evening I did try to compose something in your thread regarding AFT/YankDeal... please, revisit it as your replied it...

What is happening in NorthSyria and why it is imperative for Turkiye to pervail?

YemenWar and AfghanBattleField..... how are the linked?

As I tried to draw your attention yesterday... I am bit under the weather... so not all faculties under control..hence, mostly posts for what they are.

It takes me a lot of energy to compose a piece of value... as you would know...there is quite some legwork required if one wishes to present a proper artefact ... Low energy means no output for now...

We must stop being implusive and not see too much into each little visit and whatnotz... things don't materialise just due some visits... visits are for pictures and feel-good-factors...

What is the Overall StrategicFramework?

Now let me invite you to stand with me on the shore of Gawadar and look at Oman and then Yemen...please, tell me what you SEE? Watch PakSea!!!

Also look over the horizon and SEE EastAfrica beyond Horn of Africa...

Shahzade, if you recall, I have always asked you to look at the Map and SEE...

What is The Greatest Game in Town? Why is Pakistan The Heartland?

We cann't look at Pakistan by looking at our feet... we need to see the Entire Picture!

From North/EastAsia to EastAfrica and the OurME in the Middle...

Secterianismo is just a pathetic layering of the obvious... OurPakBlood is Cheap!!!

Think!!!!
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You are the man !!!!!
For a second, i did imagine myself standing on the shores of of Gwadar, infront of me is oman, then yemen then water and then somalia... The trade route hence !!!

Commonalities in Yemen war and Afghanistan is the involvement of KSA and USA, directly or indirectly in both cases. But, both have become a pain in the head, both wars have asked Pakistan for solution.

Presence of Turkey in Syria ? Can’t elaborate that but another possible third actor ?

Sometimes, your posts, i read them, understand them partially until a time or news comes that makes me recall your words and understand their true thoughts.
 
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@StormBreaker @Mangus Ortus Novem
This seems to be a feeler for mutual re-assessment for current positions on policies and strategies regarding ...
1) Afghanistan
2) Turkey-Syria-Russia
3) India-Kashmir-Indian Muslims
4) Defense of the Arabian Peninsula and Sacred Sites
5) Iran

Based on which future trend of the relationship would take shape and how much Pakistan is prepared to align with Saudi plans and how much KSA needs to fine tune it's plans based on Pakistani priorities etc etc.

I think this trip is an important first step towards redefining the Pak-KSA relationship.
 
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