'Hindutva, Hindu Rashtra Only About Persecution of Muslims; Modi Encourages This'

[Naofumi]

I consider the Indian IT / ITES industry as modern feudalism.

Your considering have a very little effect on reality.

 

[jamahir]

Your considering have a very little effect on reality.

Didn't you read my reply to you about me almost setting up an employee union in an ITES company I was in until mid 2014 ? That led to a clash with the branch manager. That would have been the first employee union in an ITES / IT company in India. I resigned foolishly. My plan was to set up the union in my branch, then encourage the other nearby branch's employees to set up the union there, then encourage their acquaintances in IT / ITES companies in my city and elsewhere to start unions in their places. This is how unions in other Indian sectors, like in the bank of my late father, or in factories or even farmers, formed historically after Independence. This is also how international labor laws evolved.

Compare that to the Tablighi Jamaatis in IBM-India who instead of agitating for employee union instead agitated for prayer time and space in the office. Funny thing, IBM-USA ( the parent ) has employee union but IBM-India does not.

So yes, people like me do or might have had effect on reality. in India or elsewhere.

 

[Drizzt]

Didn't you read my reply to you about me almost setting up an employee union in an ITES company I was in until mid 2014 ? That led to a clash with the branch manager. That would have been the first employee union in an ITES / IT company in India. I resigned foolishly. My plan was to set up the union in my branch, then encourage the other nearby branch's employees to set up the union there, then encourage their acquaintances in IT / ITES companies in my city and elsewhere to start unions in their places. This is how unions in other Indian sectors, like in the bank of my late father, or in factories or even farmers, formed historically after Independence. This is also how international labor laws evolved.

Compare that to the Tablighi Jamaatis in IBM-India who instead of agitating for employee union instead agitated for prayer time and space in the office. Funny thing, IBM-USA ( the parent ) has employee union but IBM-India does not.

So yes, people like me do or might have had effect on reality. in India or elsewhere.

Unions will never succeed in outsourcing industry.

For a union to succeed, business should be depended on local resources and market.

Anyway, I don't think muscle power can match brain power.

 

[PradoTLC]

India is as majoritarian as Pakistan and Afghanistan, author and columnist Aakar Patel tells Karan Thapar.

In an interview that is a forceful and outspoken critique of Hindutva and Hindu Rashtra, one of India’s most highly regarded columnists has said Hindutva is not an ideology but an anti-minority and, primarily, anti-Muslim prejudice.
Aakar Patel also says that the desire or ambition to create Hindu Rashtra, which lies at the core of Hindutva, “is purely about the exclusion and persecution of India’s minorities, particularly Muslims … that is all there is to Hindu Rashtra.”
He adds Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s record, both as chief minister of Gujarat for 13 years and as prime minister of India for seven years, shows that Modi “encourages anti-Muslim prejudice”.

He said in classical terms ideology is understood as a doctrine of economic or political theory. Hindutva, as pursued by the BJP or its predecessor, the Jan Sangh, has never been consistent either in terms of its economic or political thinking. The only issue on which Hindutva has been consistent is the demand that Muslims give up their mosques, their personal law, their autonomy in Kashmir and now, more recently, the right to marry hindu girls or eat beef. This is why he believes Hindutva is not an ideology but prejudice and, specifically, anti-Muslim.

He said the concept of Hindu Rashtra as upheld by the BJP – in contrast to Nepal – “is purely about the exclusion and persecution of India’s minorities, particularly Muslims. That is the only meaning of Hindu Rashtra in India. It imagines India as a Hindu nation where the Muslim and christian exist on sufferance. That is all there is to Hindu Rashtra.”

Patel told The Wire that the aim of Hindu Rashtra seems to be the persecution of non-hindu minorities and not the betterment of the majority community. “The acquisition of authority in Hindu Rashtra is not towards bettering the lives of hindus but damaging, excluding and handicapping those who are not born hindu.”

Patel says that Hindutva never reveals itself in its full light. It often appears in disguise or even by deception. As he put it: “Hindutva has captured the Indian state but it sits behind the façade of Nehruvian secularism and inclusion. It pretends to be what it is not.”

Patel, therefore, comes to the conclusion that unlike its neighbours, who are majoritarian because that is how their constitution has defined them, India has become majoritarian through the backdoor i.e. “through the issues that parties and governments picked and stayed focus on till the majoritarian impact was achieved.” Asked if this means India is less majoritarian than Pakistan and Afghanistan or the same, Patel said that India is as majoritarian as these countries.

“What does majoritarianism mean in these countries?”, he asked. “It means the exclusion of minorities from power and the active harassment of minorities by using the instruments of the state. In both senses India is no less majoritarian than Pakistan and Afghanistan. The exclusion of minorities is as deliberate and absolute.”

Patel pointed out India does not have a Muslim chief minister in any of its 28 states. In 15 there is no Muslim minister and in 10 there is just one, usually in charge of Minority Affairs. Patel called this “the deliberate exclusion of 200 million people”.

In the interview, Patel spoke about three specific examples of how Hindutva has targeted Muslims and which, he believes, shows how in independent India the entire system seems to be loaded against them. First, he pointed out that whilst the BJP talks of appeasement of Muslims, the truth is that in almost every sphere Muslim representation is way below their proportion of the population. For instance, they should have 74 seats in the Lok Sabha but only have 27. They are nearly 15% of the population but only 4.9% of state and central government employees, 4.6% of the paramilitary services, 3.2% of IAS, IFS and IPS and perhaps as low as 1% of the army.

Patel says Muslims have been deliberately excluded in two ways. First, through democratic process and secondly through state policy. For instance, he says RAW does not have nor has ever employed a Muslim. They are deliberately excluded from RAW.
The second specific example of how Hindutva excludes Muslims is Gujarat’s Disturbed Areas Act. It’s been in force for 35 years and Patel says its aim is “to keep Muslims out of other neighbourhoods than those traditionally Muslim”. In other words, “to ghettoise Muslims”. He says this means the state government decides where people who are Muslims can buy property and live. The purpose, he says, is to exclude Muslims from acquiring property and living in Hindu dominated areas.


The third example cited by Patel of how the Indian political system can work against Muslims is the judiciary. He says its delivered bewildering judgements such as Om is not a religious symbol and hinduism is not a religion but a way of life. In the Babri judgement, after accepting the mosque was wrongly and illegally demolished, the Supreme Court still gave the site to the people who demolished it. Most recently, the Supreme Court has repeatedly and deliberately delayed hearing critical constitutional issues like the change in status of Jammu and Kashmir and the Citizenship Amendment Act. Patel says: “the judiciary is pliant in India … it sides with the majoritarian view”. Many judges, he said, share the anti-Muslim prejudice that lies at the heart of Hindutva.

Asked whether Modi accepts and encourages this anti-Muslim prejudice, opposes it or turns an opportunistic blind eye to it, Patel categorically said that Modi’s record shows “he encourages anti-Muslim prejudice”.

Giving details, Patel said that as chief minister of Gujarat, Modi never gave a ticket to a Muslim. He said beef-lynching started in 2015 after he became prime minister. It was in subsequent years that anti-beef laws were passed by BJP governments in Maharashtra and Haryana. More importantly, Aakar Patel says Modi has rewarded those who abuse Muslims and cited as examples Giriraj Singh and Niranjan Jyoti.

Finally, when The Wire asked Aakar Patel if the political success of Hindutva, particularly after 2014, suggests that a large number of the Indian people, possibly even a majority, share the anti-Muslim prejudice that lies at its core, he said this does seem to be the case. He said Modi’s re-election in 2019 and his undeniable popularity cannot be explained on the basis of the Prime Minister’s economic or administrative performance. Clearly it is because people identify with his anti-Muslim image.
https://thewire.in/communalism/watc...ndutva-hindu-rashta-narendra-modi-anti-muslim

all I know is cow piss is bad for health...

 

[Hindustani78]

But Hindutva is intimately connected to Capitalism. Extreme Capitalism.

Hindu Rashtra has nothing to do with American System !!!

No other society, especially its middle class ( which elected Modi to power ), will see the fact of 300,000+ farmers committing suicide within ten years for socio-economic reasons, and will carry on with their lives accepting those suicides as a normal fact of human life.

Are the numbers 300,000 + Farmers Correct ??? What are the Reasons ??? Lanat for Rashtra Droh or Azhaab e Allah Rabbul Alameen !!!

I never understood that phrase - "Way of life" - that Hindutvadis use to describe their ideas.

That is based on DharmaSutra and Shariah !!!

No Place in Indian Space Programme for those who doesnt have DharmaSutra and Shariah in Lives !!!

Unions will never succeed in outsourcing industry.

For a union to succeed, business should be depended on local resources and market.

Anyway, I don't think muscle power can match brain power.

Any Trade Associations work should be based on Union of India - State Administration - Laws and this will make the Central more stronger !!!

 

[Hindustani78]

all I know is cow piss is bad for health...

Good for Demon Hunting !!!

 

[kingQamaR]

India persecutes its own Indian Muslims as way it believes it’s hurting or getting at Pakistan where in reality it can not do this it hurts them

so the next best thing is turn on Indian Muslims who will bear this suffering for future unless they do a action against it. Hindus & Sikhs are a spiteful race who bear 1000 years of Muslim humiliation that can not disappear from there minds as they like it to do

 

[jamahir]

Unions will never succeed in outsourcing industry.

For a union to succeed, business should be depended on local resources and market.

Anyway, I don't think muscle power can match brain power.

Unions in the IT / ITES industry are absent for two reasons :

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1. The Indian Establishment colluded with these type of big Indian companies to discourage employees from forming unions.​

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2. Most of the employees in the Indian IT / ITES industry are selfish and non-intellectual people who cannot be bothered with humanist concern about their fellow worker. This became so because most of the companies in this specific industry are recent and so not connected with the progressive / socialist thought that was present in the country after Independence. Neither was the education system having humanitarian studies therefore most of these middle class youth were just surrounded by immediate technical "education" without the thought to question any injustice or disparity in society, even in their education place or work place.​

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The Indian IT / ITES industry is actually going against the Constitution which gives the right to citizens to form or join unions. And neither are the non-intellectual workers of this industry aware of this simple fact.

Also about them being non-intellectual, there are 200,000+ computer engineers graduating out of Indian colleges every year. This has been so for the last 15 years. And some of these IT companies have existed for decades. Yet these fellow million engineers have not been able to locally design the two most important elements in any computer : the microprocessor and the operating system. These engineers don't desire the intellectual challenge in designing those.