Hindus in India Attack Muslims in Ashura Procession

[ranjeet]

No, this is not what we did in West Bengal, and there we are all of us Bhadralok, except elements like you that we consider Chhotolok. AFAIK, all the members of the West Bengal Cabinet are Indian citizens. If the government had been a BJP government, you could have sent the police to ask each of us to prove our Indian citizenship. But it isn't so your cheap slanders will remain that - cheap slanders. Not inappropriate.

They all might be Indians but they very well know which side the bread is buttered. If am not wrong it was one of the members of West Bengal Cabinet who tried to save Bangladeshis by blaming hindu groups for the Nun's rape case.

 

[Joe Shearer]

you mean pakistan is full ppl who are worse than modi that any randomly chosen one will do the job in the same manner.

Pretty dreadful. Put words in someone's mouth, and ask wonderingly if that was what was meant.

No,Victoria, that was not what was meant. What was meant was that if we cannot find an Indian replacement for Modi, we might as well hand over the country to someone else.

Try not to be too smart this time.

 

[jetray]

Pretty dreadful. Put words in someone's mouth, and ask wonderingly if that was what was meant.

No,Victoria, that was not what was meant. What was meant was that if we cannot find an Indian replacement for Modi, we might as well hand over the country to someone else.

Try not to be too smart this time.

huh? need to blame some one, for once I will accept existence of god though it goes against my very rational beliefs.

 

[Kdpreddy]

Your support for the OBC PM, the Dalit President and the Jain Party President is merely support for the trophy exceptions that your favoured party has acquired so assiduously. It even has Muslims. And we needn't be reminded about what it does to Muslims.

You think Amit Shah is a trophy president? Come on, wear your "intelligent" hat.
Don't dumb down yourself just to prove me wrong.
Which muslims are we talking? The Sunnis, Shias or Ahmedias?

Don't worry about my research; it is well-founded. Worry about your own regressive social attitudes.

You follow an assertion by making a generic statement. What exactly do you expect my answer would be in this scenario?

Oh, you can always ask a Moderator. Try HRK or Eagle or Horus; they will slavishly follow your slightest wishes.

Not interested.
In fact I am least interested in having debates of this nature. Not my strong suite. I would prefer statistics to rhetoric. Numbers never lie.

I am happy to stay intelligent; intelligent enough not to fail to find arguments of my own, and not to be reduced to taking arguments against me, and twisting them - smartly - to your temporary and shallow purposes. I leave the graduating to being smart to you; it is not an eminence to which I aspire.

I am not an intelligent fellow. An average student of all things at best. So, don't worry, I can never become smart.

Given the majoritarian, hostile to individuals and civic liberties hating mindset of your favoured party, this false illusion should delight you. Aren't you feeling happy?

Yet, I am not the one 'wishing away' people. If you are the representative of secular liberals who want to 'wish away' people who don't subscribe to your world view...tell me Joe, who is the one holding individuals, civil liberties & civic debate to hostage? The sangh which I represent or the seculars you represent?

Just proves the point.

You came out with a smart answer, not an intelligent one. An intelligent one would have picked out the description in the passage, and realised the difference between debate and constantly repeating your fixed prejudices, thinking that repeating these amounted to presenting your case.

Care to point out the prejudices from my posts?
Or do you want me to point to your prejudices just in this thread? Or may be from this single page of this thread?
You are doing the constant putting down of the contrarian view without giving chance for a debate. Only people who are extremely prejudiced do that. You are "certain" you are always right. Only arrogant or prejudiced people are certain.
Rest will debate.

All the time, actually; that is one of the features distinguishing the intelligent from the smart.

Most secular liberal audits don't get that far. There is too much shit from the other side floating around; surviving that degree of bigotry and hostility to get to audit ourselves is tough.

Yes sir. the other day I saw a JNU professor posting Durga maa as a pros..... This happened right before Navrathri started. This professor was seen actively participating in Congress sponsored functions.
Wonder if we should take the professor to court as it's our right to do so. Oh wait, since it's religious bigotry and hostility on the part of the professor to post such hateful posts targeting a community, wonder where the secular liberals are, defending me from this Bigot?

Or may be you think targeting hindus comes under free speech, hence it's not bigotry or hostility.

Kancha Ilaiah, the great Christian Dalit came out with a book targeting Vysyas 3 weeks back. You know Vysyas right? the one Gandhi belongs to? Should read excerpts of the book if not the whole book just to understand the nature of the beast.
Want to know how many seculars came out opposing this bigotry & hostility of Kanch? ZERO.

And these are incidents I noticed in last few weeks.....

So, Don't preach.
If you can, let's debate on facts. Once we place all the facts on table, then, may be we can start the process of healing.

If am not wrong it was one of the members of West Bengal Cabinet who tried to save Bangladeshis by blaming hindu groups for the Nun's rape case.

Did the secular cabal, which includes the secular liberals, Congress, TMC, AAP, rajdeep, Burkha, JNU coterie etc etc..apologize for blaming Hindus?
Once the facts came out, they went to their rat holes without even telling the Hindu community they were wrong.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Rhetoric in posts but with good communication skills. Extremist and a bit paranoid. Too old, too irrelevant. Move on.

Yes, please do. I would be personally grateful.

They all might be Indians but they very well know which side the bread is buttered. If am not wrong it was one of the members of West Bengal Cabinet who tried to save Bangladeshis by blaming hindu groups for the Nun's rape case.

You could be right in some cases, you could be wrong in some cases, but your record of making half-hearted statements and then crouching to the ground every time you felt the whiplash of a moderator's displeasure makes you mainly irrelevant. Please recall that I do not answer your questions. You simply do not have anything but a rancid hate to offer. It is unpleasant to encounter, even more unpleasant to deal with. That might help you to understand that I have nothing that I wish to say to you.

Except sayonara.

huh? need to blame some one, for once I will accept existence of god though it goes against my very rational beliefs.

I have no idea what you are trying to convey.

 

[axisofevil]

I always was. While these sons of the night-soil honed their patriotism a million miles from home, in Australia, the US, all over the globe, making sure that we knew what was good for us.

@axisofevil

Please don't call me 'bro'. Not only do I not encourage any familiarity by the bhakts, it will encourage creeps like the other two to get familiar as well. I can do without it.

Im not a bhakt or RSS goon. I am just a regular guy who wasn't happy with Congress in power for 60 odd yrs.

To you or anyone outside my own community I'm not a Parsi.

I'm a native Indian born and living and working in India.

I have a way bigger contribution to and stake in India than any NRI living and working abroad.

Period.

Cheers, Doc

You have no clue what you are talking about. NRI's have contributed immensely to India. Don't you ever forget that. More than you and your type could ever do so for India.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Im not a bhakt or RSS goon. I am just a regular guy who wasn't happy with Congress in power for 60 odd yrs.

You must be ancient. I've opposed the Congress right from college days in 1968; that makes it 49 years. Unfortunately, the alternative in those days was a gang of murderers.

You have no clue what you are talking about. NRI's have contributed immensely to India. Don't you ever forget that. More than you and your type could ever do so for India.

NRIs haven't done a single damn thing for India. Nothing. Only politicked abroad and raised funds for the Sangh.

 

[axisofevil]

I repeat.

A poor labourer living in India pulling a cart is doing more for India that Indra Nooyi is.

Are you Indra Nooyi?

Cheers, Doc

I wouldn't say they are doing more, they are all doing their part....

You must be ancient. I've opposed the Congress right from college days in 1968; that makes it 49 years. Unfortunately, the alternative in those days was a gang of murderers.



NRIs haven't done a single damn thing for India. Nothing. Only politicked abroad and raised funds for the Sangh.

Im not that old....I only paid attention to Congress since the early 2000's.


The problem is everyone thinks voting for Modi is voting for the Sangh. While for some it may be so, but for me and others ......we wanted some progress..

Totally wrong. Tell what Muslim and Christian NRI would raise funds for the Sangh LOL. As for not doing a damn thing for India....again you are totally wrong. For the most part, the NRI's who done great deal and continue to do much for India are not openly debated and glorified. Maybe it should be, so folks lie yourself would understand their contributions. Again not all NRI's but some. Just like every Indian is not doing a damn thing for India.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I wouldn't say they are doing more, they are all doing their part....






Im not that old....I only paid attention to Congress since the early 2000's.

That was meant to be facetious.

The problem is everyone thinks voting for Modi is voting for the Sangh. While for some it may be so, but for me and others ......we wanted some progress..

Not everyone. I know that more than half of those who voted for the NPA were voting against the stink of corruption from the UPA, and Sonia Gandhi's abject surrender to the corrupt elements in a bid to hold on to power. I know that the upward mobile middle classes suddenly saw an end to their quick progress upwards, economically.

The problem is not what you've defined. The problem is that there are very large overlaps between Modi and his parent Sangh.

Totally wrong. Tell what Muslim and Christian NRI would raise funds for the Sangh LOL. As for not doing a damn thing for India....again you are totally wrong. For the most part, the NRI's who done great deal and continue to do much for India are not openly debated and glorified. Maybe it should be, so folks lie yourself would understand their contributions. Again not all NRI's but some. Just like every Indian is not doing a damn thing for India.

Fair enough. So put your money where your mouth is; name some of these contributors and their contributions. Please don't cite their individual success and prosperity. I'd like to know what contributions they've made to INDIA.

Let's do some open debating and glorifying. I have an open mind, but fairly stringent filters.[/QUOTE]

 

[axisofevil]

That was meant to be facetious.



Not everyone. I know that more than half of those who voted for the NPA were voting against the stink of corruption from the UPA, and Sonia Gandhi's abject surrender to the corrupt elements in a bid to hold on to power. I know that the upward mobile middle classes suddenly saw an end to their quick progress upwards, economically.

The problem is not what you've defined. The problem is that there are very large overlaps between Modi and his parent Sangh.



Fair enough. So put your money where your mouth is; name some of these contributors and their contributions. Please don't cite their individual success and prosperity. I'd like to know what contributions they've made to INDIA.

Let's do some open debating and glorifying. I have an open mind, but fairly stringent filters.

[/QUOTE]

1. NRIs send $70 billion (Rs. 4.2 lakh crores) every year to India. That is just 25% less than the total Indian government's plan expenditure ($94 billion). In essence, the few NRIs put almost as much money in India as the whole of the Indian central government. Why Does India Beat China In the Remittance Game?
2. It is not just the quantum of money, but the type of it is even more juicy. The remittances are in the form of dollars and thus substantially reducing India's currency risks. 23 years ago, India was practically bankrupt with Manmohan taking whatever little gold India had to London and get the precious dollars. Those dollars are needed to buy crude oil, machinery, vegetable oil etc. NRIs make sure such a dollar shortage never happened after that.
3. NRIs bring the best practices of the rest of the world back home. Gandhi, Nehru, Netaji and Patel were NRIs at one point. Then there were guys like Sam Pitroda who helped India open up. Plenty of my professors in business school often fly back to India to advice the government on various things. For instance, my global strategy professor was a top advisor helping the government on dealing with foreign companies, in the Narasimha Rao period. Plenty of charities like Asha and AID start elsewhere before moving back.
4. Overseas Indians shape foreign policy. This organization - United States India Political Action Committee - relentlessly works to build Indo-US relationships. Back in my college days, I used to volunteer for them and we used to get top ministers & businessmen from India and connect them with top American officials. During the nuclear deal and other big deals, this group spent nights hard working. The office bearers Surabhi and Sanjay with Hillary Clinton.
   
   
5. NRIs help bring tourism. Plenty of NRIs take their US friends back home for weddings or just showing them around. They also help pique people's interest outside. I often act as an overseas tourist guide helping people plan trips ;-)
   
6. NRIs help non-Indians understand Indian culture in a positive way. I often see weddings with white Americans that happen in Hindu temples. Many Americans have a genuine interest in Indian culture and NRIs help them enjoy it at the comfort of their home. Every US town now has major temples like this.
   
   
7. Finally, overseas Indians bring new business to India. They often take up top assignments in the India offices of major MNCs and help bridge the transition. They help in tech export.

Speaking of NRIs, there is this great hero that very few know: OIRED | Virginia Tech - Dr. Surajit Kumar De Datta

A small line in the citation reads: Dr. De Datta’s research in rice production contributed to the green revolution that helped Southeast Asia gain agricultural self-sufficiency.

What an epic understatement! This guy helped feed millions of Indians and South East Asians by creating highly productive new varieties of Rice. While Dr. Norman Borlaug helped with the wheat revolution, this dude brought the rice revolution - together leading the green revolution that changed India's history. There are plenty such forgotten heroes.

NRIs are less than 1% of India's population. But, they bring outsized benefits. In fact, Modi's team informed long ago that he is coming to the US not to meet Obama but to meet the NRIs. Both NRIs and resident Indians have the same goal and now our leader is bridging these two groups.


Now, I want to bring back the topic of defense...under Congress for the past 60 odd years..
Just makes me wonder what kind of defence mechanism were we staying in for the last 70 years. We were at the mercy of God that our friendly neighbors did not harm the country. Despite that our defence budgets have remained one of the highest in the world. Wonder where all the money went??? Jai congis!!!!!![/QUOTE]

 

[Joe Shearer]

LOL.

I will get back to you tomorrow.

What was your name before Axis of Evil? Or is that confidential?

 

[KediKesenFare3]

TRT World
Muharram observers face tear-gas and cane charges in Kashmir

 

[American Pakistani]

That's exactly what this is.

@Burhan Wani @WaLeEdK2 @CriticalThought @American Pakistani

Cheers, Doc

You said and we believe.

 

[axisofevil]

LOL.

I will get back to you tomorrow.

What was your name before Axis of Evil? Or is that confidential?

Star of David ...

 

[utraash]

Bunch of terrorists. Seems like they are scared of the fact that Muslims are getting strong and won't leave their lands unlike Myanmar.

They are not strong but their terror doctrine which is strong enough even present modern times to instigate to ppl, stuck in ummah dream.