Hindus are violent, Ramayana & Mahabharata are proof of that: Sitaram Yechury

[Chhatrapati]

@Dubious This thread is not gonna go the right way.

 

[Placemat]

Our bodies are constantly killing harmful bacteria and viruses. Are we all violent

 

[namefield_empty]

Violence is a Human trait, religion is just another reason for them to be violent. Without religion, humans will find something else.

Problems arise when a set of people are dogmatic in their beliefs, intolerance and violence comes innately to them.

Then there are those who can question their creator and in turn their own existence, reason with their scriptures and the principles they espouse, and be welcoming to reforms as times change. Those are the ones less prone to violence, generally speaking.

Our bodies are constantly killing harmful bacteria and viruses. Are we all violent

Millions of cells adjust in our body every second, adapt to various stimuli, just so we can live. Fascinating, yet there some to have lived their entire lives by the book without reasoning or questioning.

 

[SIPRA]

Violence has no religion. Its a human trait.

Excellent one liner.

 

[manlion]

untouchablity , caste system, prohibit temple entrance to lower caste etc are also forms of violence with religious sanction

 

[Placemat]

untouchablity , caste system, prohibit temple entrance to lower caste etc are also forms of violence with religious sanction

Indeed.. we have almost abolished it.
Religion is a creation of humans. It is important that we control and bend religion rather than other way around.

 

[IFB]

I don't think, he has said anything against Hinduism. He has merely stated, what is in Mahabharta and Ramayana.

Sir ramayana - rama's wife is abducted by a asura king ravana (very learned vedic scholar imagine that and the best shiva devotee)...rama asks him many times to give her back...he does not ...only as a last resort he fights...even in battle field...he disarms ravana and tell's him "go now so you can come tomorrow" ....giving him a chance to right his wrong by returning his wife...even then he comes back to kill rama only...so he kills him.

Mahabharatha if i had to reply to this it will never end..only those who have read it will know.

but mahabharatha gave this world the most dangerous religious book on the planet...the bagawadthgeetha...if a person's moral compass is not correct he should never be taught the sayings of this book... but idiot hindus teaching this is every street corner to almost anyone who will listen.

untouchablity , caste system, prohibit temple entrance to lower caste etc are also forms of violence with religious sanction

Inhuman as well...this discrimination is still rampant...a recent incident in my area where this statue is buried in a pond and every 12 years they take it out and special pooja are done...lakhs of people come to see the god...but the priest what they did was for the first three days only brahmins are allowed...other castes were not allowed...like this there are thousand more incidents.

 

[Placemat]

Sir ramayana - rama's wife is abducted by a asura king ravana (very learned vedic scholar imagine that and the best shiva devotee)...rama asks him many times to give her back...he does not ...only as a last resort he fights...even in battle field...he disarms ravana and tell's him "go now so you can come tomorrow" ....giving him a chance to right his wrong by returning his wife...even then he comes back to kill rama only...so he kills him.

Mahabharatha if i had to reply to this it will never end..only those who have read it will know.

but mahabharatha gave this world the most dangerous religious book on the planet...the bagawadthgeetha...if a person's moral compass is not correct he should never be taught the sayings of this book... but idiot hindus teaching this is every street corner to almost anyone who will listen.

Both these books are highly complex and very nuanced. Hard to explain to those who know only black and white.

 

[SIPRA]

Sir ramayana - rama's wife is abducted by a asura king ravana (very learned vedic scholar imagine that and the best shiva devotee)...rama asks him many times to give her back...he does not ...only as a last resort he fights...even in battle field...he disarms ravana and tell's him "go now so you can come tomorrow" ....giving him a chance to right his wrong by returning his wife...even then he comes back to kill rama only...so he kills him.

Mahabharatha if i had to reply to this it will never end..only those who have read it will know.

but mahabharatha gave this world the most dangerous religious book on the planet...the bagawadthgeetha...if a person's moral compass is not correct he should never be taught the sayings of this book... but idiot hindus teaching this is every street corner to almost anyone who will listen.

I agree with all what you have said. But my observation was that Mr. Sitaram has not said anything against Hinduism.

In your post, what you have said regarding Sri Ram Chandar Ji Maharaj, is a justification of the "violence", in certain circumstances, and of course that is valid. The violence is not only part of human nature, but also, it is essential to preserve and maintain rights, peace and order, in human affairs. What religions and philosophies lay down and enunciate is that where, and to what extent, it is justified and perhaps, why.

I read certain parts of Bhagvat Geeta, a long time back, about may be 30 years. I am thinking of refreshing it, sometime. You are right, mystical discourses need to be read with care.

 

[IFB]

Both these books are highly complex and very nuanced. Hard to explain to those who know only black and white.

Maha bhratha even more complex than ramayana...yeah unless one takes interest in these holy books...its hard to appreciate either.

 

[IFB]

I read certain parts of Bhagvat Geeta, a long time back, about may be 30 years. I am thinking of refreshing it, sometime. You are right, mystical discourses need to be read with care.

The thing that makes it dangerous is it sets people free from their fear (whatever they are)...it just unlocks a person like never before...but for that to happen one has to apply the teachings in ones life...not like most hindus who just read it aloud hundreds of times...zero use in reading it but 1000% effect when you start applying it...if a person wants to save 100 people he will get the courage to do so...on the other hand if the same person wants to kill 100 people he will also get the courage to do that also...there was this famous jew killer who killed scores of jews in germany...dont remember his name now...he did exactly that even when he was arrested he had a pocket sized version of the book with him.

 

[SIPRA]

The thing that makes it dangerous is it sets people free from their fear (whatever they are)...it just unlocks a person like never before...but for that to happen one has to apply the teachings in ones life...not like most hindus who just read it aloud hundreds of times...zero use in reading it but 1000% effect when you start applying it...if a person wants to save 100 people he will get the courage to do so...on the other hand if the same person wants to kill 100 people he will also get the courage to do that also...there was this famous jew killer who killed scores of jews in germany...dont remember his name now...he did exactly that even when he was arrested he had a pocket sized version of the book with him.

You are right. Most of the powerful religious and quasi religious scriptures and texts have this impact.

 

[SIPRA]

Sir , then you haven't followed the trajectory of the Indian communist movement . There's a context to what he's uttered. While the texts themselves speak of violence , please point out a single instance where a Sanathan Dharmic quotes the Geeta to perpetrate or justify violence.And there are plenty of passages in it that speak of a dharma yuddha or a war prosecuted for upholding righteousness.

Please then weigh this against Islam and a section of Muslims, khawarij actually, who unleash mindless violence and seek the sanctity of the Quran and the hadees for their actions.

Modi maybe cynical in his attempts at polarizing voters but Yechury just proved why the communists are looking at political extinction in India . They've completely isolated themselves from the common man's religious & cultural underpinnings.

Bro. My comment was only with reference to the quoted statement of Mr. Sitaram that it doesn't appear to contain anything against Hinduism. He is only pointing out the apparent contradiction in the statement of that lady politician. Yes, you may be right, if you see it in the context of general opinions of the communists of India, regarding Hinduism.

Regarding role of violence, in human affairs, I already have said something in my comment # 24, responding to another fellow poster.

Virtually, all the religious scriptures are interpreted, differently, by its own followers and sometimes these interpretations are quite contradictory. That is one reason that I generally refrain from discussing religion on such forums; the other being that it is an extremely sensitive topic.

If we care to read history of subcontinent, particularly, after 1946; Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs, all, have perpetrated unjustifiable violence against each other, in the name of religion. That is an undeniable fact, rest are conjectures.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The mere fact that he is still alive and breathing after bad mouthing hindu's holy books in a hindu majority country says otherwise.

He will suffer very soon from the Saffron brigade.

Just like Zakir Naik.

In India, you can’t say anything against the radical Hindutva terrorists, their government-sponsored lynch mobs will come after you.

 

[thinkingcap81]

Thats the beauty of India. You can have Owaisis and Yechri's saying anything against Modi n all.. but we do nothing.
Let a Hindu say a word against.... Islam.... Oh wait.. How many Hindus are still alive in Pakistan ?

Yechury is not saying anything against Hinduism. He is saying that in our epics war was finally decided as a legitimate option to meet an objective. He is blaming those people who say that Hinduism is non-violent, something that is not borne out by the way we venerate these epics that speak about the valours of the characters in them.

Let us not make low-quality interpretations of our great epics that have been so wonderfully written and are evergreen in their philosophies and teachings.