Hinduism in China

[isro2222]

I have seen old chinese movies. Why in old times chinese people use to wear similar dress like indians use to wear?.... Specialy the chinese womens use to wear alot similar dress and at times i felt like chinese womens copied indian womens.... Also the men use to use weapons that india use to use at Mahabharata days.... Specialy the Trishul and also the weapon that bhim was famous for.... Chinese communist goverment changed everything. China was alot same like india in olden times but chinese communists just wanted to rule china so they told chinese people there is no god.... God exist.... Its the Arcturians and Elohim aka Annunakis created Gods.... Chinese communists thinks like Reptilians.... By the way Read about FIRST human world and 2nd Human World (both been destroyed by reptilians).... Now Reptilians wants Earth.... While Arcturians wont let them have Earth.... War between Arcturians and Reptlilians are alot old (multi million years old).... Read about how Arcturians came together with other Human aliens to protect earth so earth wont end up like first human planet AVYON....
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[KS]

why are you scared of the real Islam? Is it that much a threat to your ideology?
And the reality on the ground is that we have uneducated people being pushed to extremes and taking up extreme tactics due to lack of options.
We all know what people are capable of when they are pushed too far. After all, it was the Hindu Tamil Tigers who invented suicide bombings.

Scared of Islam ? Is that what you think ?

Anyway the point being you don't have the right to judge others since you did not have the very basic knowledge of the fact that Islam is NOT the world's largest religion.

 

[KS]

No thank's I have had my lunch already.

And Islam is the biggest biggest religion if you consider Catholics and Protestants as different religions, which they do.
But if you combine them under one "Christianity" banner then yes, Islam is the worlds 2nd largest religion.

So again, Islam is the worlds largest religion with 1.2-1.5 billion followers.

That was one incredibly stupid justification, if you even consider it as one.

Catholics and Protestants are two different religions. *facepalm*

I defer to your vast [un] intelligence. Carry on.

 

[roshangjha]

And Islam is the biggest biggest religion if you consider Catholics and Protestants as different religions, which they do.
But if you combine them under one "Christianity" banner then yes, Islam is the worlds 2nd largest religion.

So again, Islam is the worlds largest religion with 1.2-1.5 billion followers.

In that case, why not separate Shias, Sunnis, Wahhabis, Ahmadis and the countless others into separate religions?

Lets see if you could still come up with the biggest religion award

 

[Rusty]

Are Sikhs the same as Hindus?
According to your logic they are.

Let me educate you a little.
Protestant religion began about 500 years ago as an offshoot of Catholicism.
They both don't consider each other as part of the same religion and they both have considerable differences in their beliefs.
That is really enough reason to consider them separate.

and thank you acknowledging my Superior intellect.
The first smart thing you have said all this time.
But that's not hard considering your posts have been little more then one liners so far.



And here are some link's

http://chartsbin.com/view/3nr

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/19/christianity-goes-global-as-worlds-largest-religion/

In that case, why not separate Shias, Sunnis, Wahhabis, Ahmadis and the countless others into separate religions?

Lets see if you could still come up with the biggest religion award

Okay, let's separate them.
Even after that, sunnies make up 80-85% of Muslims.

Now most Sunnis still consider Shia to be Muslim so that moved the percentage to above 95%. the rest we don't consider Muslim.

now....what where you saying?

 

[roshangjha]

Are Sikhs the same as Hindus?
According to your logic they are.

Let me educate you a little.
Protestant religion began about 500 years ago as an offshoot of Catholicism.
They both don't consider each other as part of the same religion and they both have considerable differences in their beliefs.
That is really enough reason to consider them separate.

and thank you acknowledging my Superior intellect.
The first smart thing you have said all this time.
But that's not hard considering your posts have been little more then one liners so far.



And here are some link's

Major Religions of the World Ranked by Number of Adherents

Christianity goes global as world's largest religion – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs




Okay, let's separate them.
Even after that, sunnies make up 80-85% of Muslims.

Now most Sunnis still consider Shia to be Muslim so that moved the percentage to above 95%. the rest we don't consider Muslim.

now....what where you saying?

Catholics as well as Protestants consider themselves to be Christians.. Case closed.

@Indians - Let's not reply to his posts. APNE MUH MIYA MITTHU BAN RAHA HAI

 

[LimPeh]

Okay so here is the problem. Most Hindus are really proud of that fact that they don't convert, but here we see Buddhism spreading through conversions. As said previously, Buddhism spread through monks and the Buddha himself. That means people converted. When monks settled in china, they taught Buddhism to the locals which means they converted them.
And forced conversions is a non issue since Islam, the world's largest religion was not spread by forced conversions but by the same way Buddhism was spread. By sufis (monks) settling in the area and teaching the locals.

The point I am trying to make is that Hindus are really bitter and upset at Muslims for spreading their religion but seem to have no problem when their religion is spread the same way.

I believe this to be true as well. From what I've read of South Asian history, I believe Islam came in two different ways, the North was largely through conquest and the South was largely through trade, up and till the Mughal Empire. The mass conversions through poetry and mysticism would probably have been after Islam established itself firmly in South Asia and became an important aspect of society over there. Islam itself has been constantly evolving and reinventing herself in South Asia due to the long history over there. Forced conversions would have probably been in the initial periods though. I've heard the Delhi Sultanate was alot less tolerant than the Mughal Empire that succeeded it.

Islam has spread peacefully no doubt. The entire Malaysia and Indonesia are Islamic due to the religion having been brought to this region by Arab traders. There were no external Muslim empires that conquered this region and spread Islam over here. So there has to be a large number of converts embracing the religion for pure spiritual reasons.

 

[Rusty]

I believe this to be true as well. From what I've read of South Asian history, I believe Islam came in two different ways, the North was largely through conquest and the South was largely through trade, up and till the Mughal Empire. The mass conversions through poetry and mysticism would probably have been after Islam established itself firmly in South Asia and became an important aspect of society over there. Islam itself has been constantly evolving and reinventing herself in South Asia due to the long history over there. Forced conversions would have probably been in the initial periods though. I've heard the Delhi Sultanate was alot less tolerant than the Mughal Empire that succeeded it.

Islam has spread peacefully no doubt. The entire Malaysia and Indonesia are Islamic due to the religion having been brought to this region by Arab traders. There were no external Muslim empires that conquered this region and spread Islam over here. So there has to be a large number of converts embracing the religion for pure spiritual reasons.

You are correct on most accounts except the early forced conversions.
In Pakistan the first "Islamic conquest" was done by Mohammad Bin Qasim. He arrived by boat and fought his way through Sind to Punjab. After he left, the majority of people were still Hindu/Buddhist and there were no forced conversions. Islam only took root when the sufis came and started preaching to the people. So is no history of mass force conversions. Anyone who tells you that there were is living in a fantasy world and still angry that Islam took root in India.

 

[fly2012]

I have seen old chinese movies. Why in old times chinese people use to wear similar dress like indians use to wear?.... Specialy the chinese womens use to wear alot similar dress and at times i felt like chinese womens copied indian womens.... Also the men use to use weapons that india use to use at Mahabharata days.... Specialy the Trishul and also the weapon that bhim was famous for.... Chinese communist goverment changed everything. China was alot same like india in olden times but chinese communists just wanted to rule china so they told chinese people there is no god.... God exist.... Its the Arcturians and Elohim aka Annunakis created Gods.... Chinese communists thinks like Reptilians.... By the way Read about FIRST human world and 2nd Human World (both been destroyed by reptilians).... Now Reptilians wants Earth.... While Arcturians wont let them have Earth.... War between Arcturians and Reptlilians are alot old (multi million years old).... Read about how Arcturians came together with other Human aliens to protect earth so earth wont end up like first human planet AVYON....
Arcturian Starship Athena | Arcturian Aliens
ARCTURIANS - THE FEDERATION OF LIGHT
The Arcturians – Global Illumination Council

There was never a concept of God is Chinese version of Buddhism or any other Han based religion. The Chinese word God is just some humanized figure with super natural powers instead of the supreme form in other religions. As you may know, in Chinese legend, both Heaven and Hell function very similar to human earth - In heaven the top leader is the Jade Emperor and Buddhas report to the Jade Emperor. In hell Yama is the lead to a similar type of bureaucracy. And people don't pray to a certain God. If one wants a son, he/she prays to Avalokiteśvara and if he wants food, he prays to The Kitchen god. These Gods are not even from the same religion. People see religion like Taoism and Buddhism more like a way of living and they are not mutual exclusive. The famous ancient Chinese novel Feng Shen Bang (Name List of the Investiture of the Gods), has imaginary figures from all kinds of regligions and legends, they just took different positions in heaven based on their supernatual skills.

Han people don't believe in God. This is in general true to other East Asian countries. This has nothing to do with communism.

 

[scorpionx]

Okay so here is the problem. Most Hindus are really proud of that fact that they don't convert, but here we see Buddhism spreading through conversions. As said previously, Buddhism spread through monks and the Buddha himself. That means people converted. When monks settled in china, they taught Buddhism to the locals which means they converted them.
And forced conversions is a non issue since Islam, the world's largest religion was not spread by forced conversions but by the same way Buddhism was spread. By sufis (monks) settling in the area and teaching the locals.

The point I am trying to make is that Hindus are really bitter and upset at Muslims for spreading their religion but seem to have no problem when their religion is spread the same way.

Hindu religion spread in the same way as muslims? sorry to say dont bunk ur history classes.

 

[Rusty]

Hindu religion spread in the same way as muslims? sorry to say dont bunk ur history classes.

Again with the one liners.
Why can't a single one of you post a thought out logical response?
I am honestly starting to believe the IQ news reports.

 

[Mirza Chusulla Toork]

I have a genuine question.
Some people here are saying that Buddhism is part of Hinduism,

Dear pakistani brother,

You might find this interesting:

"Shrimad Bhagvat" ( and also Mahabharat) is an epic written by sage Veda Vyasa exactly 5,638 years ago. It is specifically mentioned about all the previous and future Avatars of Lord Vishnu. It said that that 3000 years later Vishnu will take his 10th Avatar by the name of "Buddha".

This happened as predicted.

So even before Buddha or Buddhism was born, it was known, documented and predicted. So Buddhism is an offshoot of Eternal dharma. (Remember there is no specific religion as "Hinduism" per say. Hindu/Hind/Hindusim are words that have been coined by outsiders. There is not a single word as "Hindu" in any of our vast religious literatures.)

The same author ie Veda-Vyas also authored an epic known as "Bhavishya Puran" or future Puran. There he has given details of birth and emergence of "Mohammad" 4000 Years later, his propagation of "evil religion", signs and identification of "Musalmans" like "cutting of genitals", "Having beards", etc etc.

Following is link to the actual texts of Bhavishya puran written 4000 Years before Muhammad was born..

Even This happened as predicted. But as buddha was supposed to be dharmic incarnation, his preaching have been considered to be one of the many offshoots of Eternal dharmic preaching. While Mohammad (Or Mahamada as referred to in bhavishya Puran) is termed as incarnation of the devil "Tripurasura" dwelling in desert to the West of India, and his religion is termed as "Paishachik dharma" or evil religion and its followers ie Musalamans/ Muslims are referred to as "Mulicchas"

I am sorry if any of my muslim brothers feels offended, but this is the way it is. Long Long before Buddha or mohammad were even born. I am just putting things in context. I hope it is not considered Taboo. No offence meant to any of my Muslim brothers.

Meaning of "Musalman" or "Maleccha" described 4000 Years ago.

Bhavishya Purana : The Prediction of Islam And Muhammad

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Not just China. Buddhism has been far more successful everywhere: it's prevalent in all of East and South East Asia, whereas Hinduism is restricted to the sub-continent and some Indonesian islands. That's because Hinduism is a proto-fascist ideology (Hinduvta is an extreme manifestation) that was only invented to legitimize the supremacy and rule of the Aryan invaders to the sub-continent. Elsewhere, who wanted to be told that they were supposed to be eternal slaves to a Brahmin caste? Hinduism was a significant influence on Nazism for precisely this sort of master-slave ideology, and the swastika is probably the most visible connection to it.

People like u forget, that buddhism spread out in the world, from india and indian kings alone..
So if our hindu society is fascist society as a ignorant like u point out, how will have indian people have converted to buddhism in 1st place?
India have accepted islam, christianity, jainism, buddhism so it itself proves ur crap, what a liberal idoelogy we had...
And what, Boddhidarma or damo was an indian tamil prince, who converted to buddhism, while his family still followed hinduism...
If u know anything talk, or just dont troll...
From religion to martial arts, it have been an indian gift to china...

Again with the one liners.
Why can't a single one of you post a thought out logical response?
I am honestly starting to believe the IQ news reports.

Y should hinduism spread by force, when it was the oldest religion in existence?
From Russia to phillipines, to afghanistan, people in the then civilised world, were hinduism... So there wasnt really a need to spread something by force, when all were following hinduism...
And for ur reasons, the ancient india, never tried to spread out of its borders..

 

[LimPeh]

Hindu religion spread in the same way as muslims? sorry to say dont bunk ur history classes.

Yes he is right. Hinduism spread in three ways into Southeast Asia, via immigration, traders and merchants and conquest by Tamil kings. Tamil kings had conquered the entire Malay Peninsula, Sumatra and Java and the legacy they left behind is still visible in the form of beautiful temples. There was definitely a spread of Hinduism via conquest. But that was a very very long time ago. Successive Malay kingdoms which appeared later were Hindu. I believe the Majapahit Empire which is today's Indonesia was largely Hindu. They were building on the traditions left behind by the Tamil kings.

Then we had the traders who have been coming here for a very very long time. Just as the Arab traders brought Islam here, these chaps brought in Hinduism. Later Hinduism loss her footing as more Malay kings adopted Islam as a state religion and people mass converted.

Eventual British colonization of Singapore brought in the next group of Hindus in the form of the Indian diaspora (my ancestors ). That was in the 1800's. Our Hinduism developed independently of India since then though, which is why we don't have any caste-based practices, the dowry system etc.

Though it all started with war, later Hindu and Muslim influences were both peaceful. That's the reason why Islam and Hinduism are one big merry mix over here.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I believe this to be true as well. From what I've read of South Asian history, I believe Islam came in two different ways, the North was largely through conquest and the South was largely through trade, up and till the Mughal Empire. The mass conversions through poetry and mysticism would probably have been after Islam established itself firmly in South Asia and became an important aspect of society over there. Islam itself has been constantly evolving and reinventing herself in South Asia due to the long history over there. Forced conversions would have probably been in the initial periods though. I've heard the Delhi Sultanate was alot less tolerant than the Mughal Empire that succeeded it.

Islam has spread peacefully no doubt. The entire Malaysia and Indonesia are Islamic due to the religion having been brought to this region by Arab traders. There were no external Muslim empires that conquered this region and spread Islam over here. So there has to be a large number of converts embracing the religion for pure spiritual reasons.

I accept ur arguement...
Isram spread through peace in indonesia, malaysia and maldives etc..
U see thats y ur countries are relatively developed than others.... And indonesia always respect its past... Have the national symbal as Garuda(which is mount of Vishnu) and still follow the glorious dances , folk arts in saying stories of mahabharata..
There are many krishna-Arjuna stories and statues in indonesia... People respect their past and anchestory... They claim it as their own... Malaysia also proudly respects its past...
But here in Subcontinent dont....

Yes he is right. Hinduism spread in three ways into Southeast Asia, via immigration, traders and merchants and conquest by Tamil kings. Tamil kings had conquered the entire Malay Peninsula, Sumatra and Java and the legacy they left behind is still visible in the form of beautiful temples. There was definitely a spread of Hinduism via conquest. But that was a very very long time ago. Successive Malay kingdoms which appeared later were Hindu. I believe the Majapahit Empire which is today's Indonesia was largely Hindu. They were building on the traditions left behind by the Tamil kings.

Then we had the traders who have been coming here for a very very long time. Just as the Arab traders brought Islam here, these chaps brought in Hinduism. Later Hinduism loss her footing as more Malay kings adopted Islam as a state religion and people mass converted.

Eventual British colonization of Singapore brought in the next group of Hindus in the form of the Indian diaspora (my ancestors ). That was in the 1800's. Our Hinduism developed independently of India since then though, which is why we don't have any caste-based practices, the dowry system etc.

Though it all started with war, later Hindu and Muslim influences were both peaceful. That's the reason why Islam and Hinduism are one big merry mix over here.

U r wrong in this... HInduism spreaded in 5th Century AD, when one sage visited malay peninsula and Sri vijaya...
Tamil chola kings conquered it only in 11th century... there was definitely spread of hinduism before that... Even phillipines had hindu anchestory... But no one from india conquered them,,... But kings from vietnam, thailand laos combodia may have conquered them .. that time those kings were hindus too...

@Limpeh are u a tamil?