Hillary sees no India hand in Balochistan crisis

[Irfan Baloch]

"Moderator" sir

Our country and our leadership has never either sympathized or raised the balochistan issue in any form or forum. My symphaties for your classmate , but being from a family whose relatives were killed in jammu by militants openly supported by your country's army and inteligencia, its astonishing how can educated people with conscience support the existence of such an entity whose primary function is propogate violence and murder.No wonder every problem in pakistan is suspected to be of indian origins, your establishment has taught you to look in every direction with the anti-india glasses.

off topic rant edited

stay on topic please

we dont need ISI or Govt Media to see and decide what is happening. we are very open and critical of ourselves whereas you guys dont admit it.
the Baloch insergency dates before Partition and India is only too happy to stir things up. spending time and resouces in a dangerous country like Afghanistan and that too along the Pakistani borders in the name of culture is only justifiable for Indians but we see the connection because we see the effects.

you can celebate your Bengali success but this is Balochistan. just pray that your cultrual centres that are the training camps of BLA also pack up whent he Yanks leave the twon because we will be coming to pay a visit.

Like I said earlier, we NEVER forget your guys will pray that they fall in the hands of Taliban.

 

[MilSpec]

Your country cant do it openly coz BLA is a terrorist organisation n their cause is just bs n no country in the world accepts it... You talk of ur relatives yet u easily skip the attrocities kashmiris have been facing since 47? hundreds of thousands have been killed ... first by dogra forces n than my indian forces! You not accept them as humans abide by UN resolution n accept the results? why!!???

I can inform you about ground realities but cant cure your delusions .. regretful

We militarily dnt support violence in IOK... we support the right of determination of the Kashmiri people as do dozens of countries and even United Nations!

so 1965 and kargill were picnic outings i guess... it wasn't your military, it was martians that came in pakistani uniforms and badges. no words to describe the stupidity of the boldpart

Every problem we face is not bcoz of india! but most of them are! You boast of 71... wasnt tht also a cowardly act ? proping insurgency,civil war,arming n creating a terrorist organisation>? wasnt tht an act of war! Do you think we would forget tht ever? Individuals have short memories NATIONS never forget!

boast? there is nothing to boast... refugees gonocide, war effort to be supported by poor country like india was not fun, we had no interest in loosing indian lives for bangladeshi cause, when your genocide became our problem , we had to intervene. You might want to learn about the conflict befor posting

Than you talk abt mumbai attacks? do u have proof PA or ISI was involved>? the weapons u siezed wernt POF made ! Its u guys who blame everything on Pakistan! even pigeons n camels r propogated as ISI agents? i mean how retarded is tht?

how can i forget, mumbai tragedy was Non-state actors, or zionist conspiracy, which camp do you belong to?

The thousand cuts thing came after ur adventure of 71,... and believe me ... if you keep doing what you are doing right now we will be forced to do tht.. and there is no shortage of wounds tht we can inflict on india!

let me get this right genius, Are you saying kashmir is retaliation for bangladesh and has nothing to do with kashmiri people? brilliant

Piming india as their top dog is just a proverb there is nothing wrong abt it.

So if I use the same proverb for your motherland, its welcome by your, am I correct?

Indian foriegn policy is neutral? really first your country was allied with the USSR ... supporting the afghan invasion and what not????

there is a difference between nuetral and independent .. learn the difference.


We didnt get F-16s for free .. its only ur narrow minded thinking tht makes u believe so... and than u blame us for towing US line? yet u contradict urself when u accuse us of playing a double game in Afghanistan? you guys r full of contradictions!

Dnt call it baluch insurgency its an insurgency for power! it has no support in the region... thts why the hill rats hide in the mountains ... and get arms,money n training frm indian butcher houses in afghanistan!brahamdagh the swine travels on indian passport!

ttp dogs dnt have local support either u can see tht in swat n FATA!

dont tell me that... the term baloch insurgency was coined by your ex-president and not me

 

[MilSpec]

stay on topic please

we dont need ISI or Govt Media to see and decide what is happening. we are very open and critical of ourselves whereas you guys dont admit it.
the Baloch insergency dates before Partition and India is only too happy to stir things up. spending time and resouces in a dangerous country like Afghanistan and that too along the Pakistani borders in the name of culture is only justifiable for Indians but we see the connection because we see the effects.

you can celebate your Bengali success but this is Balochistan. just pray that your cultrual centres that are the training camps of BLA also pack up whent he Yanks leave the twon because we will be coming to pay a visit.

Like I said earlier, we NEVER forget your guys will pray that they fall in the hands of Taliban.

dear sir, thanks for "off topic editing" hope to see that for other members posts too...

If there are BLA camps in Afghanistan, whats stopping your mighty f16's from hitting them, i am pretty sure you can strike up a deal with the US by handing over few taliban leader, or cutting supply routes or just asking politely. Afghans army is not eqquipped to stop you.
It is a ridiculous claim, that India is training BLA terrorists in Afghanistan, the same Afghanistan which is claimed to be aroun 75% under taliban control, the same Afghanistan which is practically by all means the backyard of ISI.

"we NEVER forget your guys will pray that they fall in the hands of Taliban." we'll see, If we do have "our" guys there, trust me, they wont be the one who are praying...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

dear sir, thanks for "off topic editing" hope to see that for other members posts too...

If there are BLA camps in Afghanistan, whats stopping your mighty f16's from hitting them, i am pretty sure you can strike up a deal with the US by handing over few taliban leader, or cutting supply routes or just asking politely. Afghans army is not eqquipped to stop you.

thats a good idea

we actually asked for Bramdagh Bughti for Mullah Bradader but there is still some use in him and Americans thought handing him over might not help them now so they arranged for his stay in Switzerland (so much for allies in WoT)
but no matter the time will come.

re quoting my "never forget" sentence, No you wont see,

in case your Govt is not involved as you claim but the handers of these terrorists will definately "see"

 

[MilSpec]

thats a good idea

we actually asked for Bramdagh Bughti for Mullah Bradader but there is still some use in him and Americans thought handing him over might not help them now so they arranged for his stay in Switzerland (so much for allies in WoT)
but no matter the time will come.

re quoting my "never forget" sentence, No you wont see,

in case your Govt is not involved as you claim but the handers of these terrorists will definately "see"

As I said time and again, we poor Indians have our plate full with our own problems, we have no interest in balochistan or any other tribe in pakistan. We can barely manage our own problems. We are building hospitals and roads in Afghanistan in the rebuilding effort, rather than applauding the effort and joining the effort, pakistani establishment blames India for its own short comings and views our developmental efforts with suspicion.

let me ask you a question, Pre US invasion/Indian presence in afganistan, how many engineering schools, universities, factories refinaries developed in balochistan? Was there any misappropriation in resources and development sharing with balochistan compared to punjab or sindh provinces, if yes, does it remind you of your history

 

[GURU DUTT]

As I said time and again, we poor Indians have our plate full with our own problems, we have no interest in balochistan or any other tribe in pakistan. We can barely manage our own problems. We are building hospitals and roads in Afghanistan in the rebuilding effort, rather than applauding the effort and joining the effort, pakistani establishment blames India for its own short comings and views our developmental efforts with suspicion.

let me ask you a question, Pre US invasion/Indian presence in afganistan, how many engineering schools, universities, factories refinaries devloped in balochistan? Was there any misappropriation in resouscr and development sharing with balochistan compared to punjab or sindh provinces, if yes, deos it remind you of your history

Thats exelent kindly my dear pakistani senior members whats your take on this question Thanks Again .

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@Sandy & Guru
thanks for such a cute question, I am touched
irrespective of the terrorism as far as the spend of health, education and infrastructure is concerned it is as good or bad as rest of Pakistan.

you know it too well that our politicians have never placed both very important state duties as their top priorities.

The slogan of Punjab taking all sells very well whenever there is an excuse to be made for the bad governance. 2 years ago the Baloch Government was crying that it didn’t get enough funds for allocating on the infrastructure when there were some consistent protests on the roads YET…. They were planning to move the provincial offices and secretariat to Gwadar for an estimated starting cost of over 5 Bn Rupees. Where did they have that money from?

Whenever I went to collect my cousin from Bolan Medical College in Quetta due to strikes or a death of a student due to student party violence’s there I used to see the wall chalking by promising doctors protesting that why such violence is not in Punjab university and then I would look at the young Sardar sons along with their entourage in their double cabin trucks with armed body guards harassing the female students and I would think well Punjab university doesn’t have these personalities.

Blaming Punjab is a life style in Pakistan, ever Punjabis do that. Although its Punjab that feeds the rest of the country but those poor farmers never have any say in the bigger scheme of things. If one goes off the GT or mother way in Punjab and goes deep like 40 Km into the villages, there is no difference in the kind of difficulties and daily struggles that those people face from feudal lords& police like the rest of the population of other provinces feel.

I can give you the run down of schools, dispensaries, colleges, hospitals , roads and bridges that are made in Baluchistan over its life time but you know it that I know that what’s your intent. And no you are not seeking any information.

But rest assured, as the time goes by the people are freeing up from the strangle hold of the sardars that have always complained about the lack of facilities in their patch, yet bitterly opposed it in fear of loosing their poor and subdued population that would become self aware. But its inevitable the progress cant be stopped so some are resorting to violence and are also getting ever so willing foreign sponsors too. But it’s a loosing game they are playing.

 

[AmberDutt]

stay on topic please

we dont need ISI or Govt Media to see and decide what is happening. we are very open and critical of ourselves whereas you guys dont admit it.
the Baloch insergency dates before Partition and India is only too happy to stir things up. spending time and resouces in a dangerous country like Afghanistan and that too along the Pakistani borders in the name of culture is only justifiable for Indians but we see the connection because we see the effects.

you can celebate your Bengali success but this is Balochistan. just pray that your cultrual centres that are the training camps of BLA also pack up whent he Yanks leave the twon because we will be coming to pay a visit.

Like I said earlier, we NEVER forget your guys will pray that they fall in the hands of Taliban.

Just one question sir.. I remember India being accused of stirring up Balochistan and Sindh insurgencies from much before Uncle sam landed in Afghanistan for the WoT.. What makes you think that if India was able to do what you claim it did before Uncle Same came to town, it cant carry on with the same once he leaves

Though all this is hypothetical, a lot of Indians including myself in moments of disgust at times, wish that these accusations are true and India is really paying back a part of Pakistan's loan on India in the same coin..

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Though all this is hypothetical, a lot of Indians including myself in moments of disgust at times, wish that these accusations are true and India is really paying back a part of Pakistan's loan on India in the same coin..

on the other hand, I dont wish if any Indian accusations are true because that is insulting the innocent victims and we would never say such thing.I condemn the terror in Balochsitan and Mumbai in the same way and dont wish death for Indian civilians like yourself.

sorry to hear what you are saying. I hope your hatred is treated somehow

 

[Alpha Omega]

Hillary sees no India hand in Balochistan crisis

What she does see is billions of dollars in future defence orders.
Good going Hillary, you are hilarious!

 

[AmberDutt]

on the other hand, I dont wish if any Indian accusations are true because that is insulting the innocent victims and we would never say such thing.I condemn the terror in Balochsitan and Mumbai in the same way and dont wish death for Indian civilians like yourself.

sorry to hear what you are saying. I hope your hatred is treated somehow

Sir, as I said, in moments of disgust.. No matter how righteous one is, there are moments of weakness brought around by disgust and frustration when one sees 1.4 billion people held hostage to politics and one upmanship..

 

[Bhairava]

listen Mr One-liner



I dont need US, China, Turkey or Uganda's confirmation about what is happening in my backyard. I have witnessed the bombings and attacks on public and private property and I know too well who is involved and who is not.

I have lost my school mate who died while defending his country. despite all that I don’t blame you all and give you the benefit of ignorance otherwise we Baloch are worse when it comes to seeking revenge and never forgetting.

my position doesn’t allow me to make these debates personal otherwise I would have shared things that are not very pleasant still try to and look after keeping cordial atmosphere here on the forum because I don’t blame the Indian public for the troubles in my province.

We are the same Baloch who came to help and escort the Muslim Migrants that were fleeing the massacre at the hands of Hindu & Sikh fanatics during the partition , tens of thousands lost their lives but the ones we escorted were able to make it alive in Pakistan.

You see, your government was able to do the same thing easily and successfully in our weaker eastern arm because the people over there didn’t want any part of us so the war was lost before the Indians crossed the borders. But here my dear the things are very different. Only few factions of 2 tribes that make not more than 8% of the Baloch population are actively involved in armed struggle and militancy that has been happening even before Indians decided to come to their aid. It was a fight for a bigger slice in the protection money just like the Naxalities are doing in the name of Adivasis.

Well like I said earlier, if you need proofs like the BBC documentary then yes I we can raise a petition to fund and make a similar documentary and bring in the families of the victims along with the NGOs that are working in Balochistan that have been abducted, harassed and looted to show as proof of your involvement.

I wont put much trust in USA because they have their interests they are pimping India as their top dog for this region and its against their policy to show their prospective watchdog in bad light.

So what we going to do? Well we are going to isolate these terrorists and ensure that their leder don’t cross into Pakistan and enjoy the hospitalities in Afghanistan in the Indian “cultural” centres that have been set up along the borders of Balochistan. Their main leader has been already sent to Switzerland with the help of USA so I can understand the blind spot Hillary is experiencing.

Why such a long dissertation ?

You may have been sitting on a bomb in Balochistan, but that doesnt necessarily mean that you know who was involved in it.

By the same logic I was in Mumbai when the horrific incident happened. Will my statement be regarded as immutable proof of Pakistan's involvement eh ?

p.s.:- Though as of now there is absolutely nothing to Pakistan's claim of Indian involvement in B'stan, I would certainly want my Govt to pay back Pakistan in its own currency (i.e., 'diplomatically' and 'morally' supporting the Baloch right to self-determination..nothing else) rather than sending tons of worthless dossiers that are not going to serve anything.

you can celebate your Bengali success but this is Balochistan. just pray that your cultrual centres that are the training camps of BLA

More accusations without a shred of proof.

also pack up whent he Yanks leave the twon because we will be coming to pay a visit.

Delusions of grandeur.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I can inform you about ground realities but cant cure your delusions .. regretful

Go ahead i have facts on my side... dogras massacred 250,000 kashmiris when the protest to join Pakistan started!

so 1965 and kargill were picnic outings i guess... it wasn't your military, it was martians that came in pakistani uniforms and badges. no words to describe the stupidity of the boldpart

First you claimed about us helping kashmiri insurgents n now this>? can u stay on one topic ?

boast? there is nothing to boast... refugees gonocide, war effort to be supported by poor country like india was not fun, we had no interest in loosing indian lives for bangladeshi cause, when your genocide became our problem , we had to intervene. You might want to learn about the conflict befor posting

Thts just epic BS... even the released CIA papers confirm how india created,armed,trained n funded mukti bhanis.. and even had plans to invade Pakistan way before the war! and the 3 million figure is an extreme lie! even BD govt claims 300000 dead not 3 million an imaginery figures indian love to propogate!

how can i forget, mumbai tragedy was Non-state actors, or zionist conspiracy, which camp do you belong to?

Do u have a shred of proof ISI was involved? if u dnt why should i waste my time answering to ur blabbing!

let me get this right genius, Are you saying kashmir is retaliation for bangladesh and has nothing to do with kashmiri people? brilliant

Looks like u dnt posses the ability to comprehend sentences! keep on fuelling proxies and you will force us to do the same to india!

there is a difference between nuetral and independent .. learn the difference.

First go and read ur post sunny boy!..... abt independent... sure the way india treated Iran thanks to USA shows how independent ur policy is?

dont tell me that... the term baloch insurgency was coined by your ex-president and not me

And ur fuelling terrorism!?!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Looks like u dnt posses the ability to comprehend sentences! keep on fuelling proxies and you will force us to do the same to india!


First go and read ur post sunny boy!..... abt independent... sure the way india treated Iran thanks to USA shows how independent ur policy is?







And ur fuelling terrorism!?!

Although Hillary said she cant see any thing but thats not enough for Indians and its almsot 10th page and they are still trying to negate their involvement and if thats not enough they put in Bangladesh, Mumbai, Kargil, MKI and Kashmir to bait you into flame war

take any thread after 3 or 4 pages its a given that the conversation will be the same and you cant tell what the debait is about if you hide the thread title

 

[Bhairava]

Although Hillary said she cant see any thing but thats not enough for Indians and its almsot 10th page and they are still trying to negate their involvement and if thats not enough they put in Bangladesh, Mumbai, Kargil, MKI and Kashmir to bait you into flame war

take any thread after 3 or 4 pages its a given that the conversation will be the same and you cant tell what the debait is about if you hide the thread title

We should try to negate only if we are involved in the first place.

Conspiracy theories from Dr. Saab will not suffice.