Hijacking faith: How an extremist Deobandi ideology rules the Barelvi major

[funtoosh]

Such a fitna... I am not a deobandi or a barelvi. I am a Muslim. Quran is the word of Allah and Hadith are the words of Prophet of Allah, (SAW). When you have Allah and His Prophet, speaking to you, then why should you listen to anyone else?

thats because you tolerate mullahs and fail to keep relgion at home.
If religion is bought in the public you will have to listen to people talking about it

 

[K-Xeroid]

Shameful Article , Specially written to Divide Muslims. . But horribly failed , cuz all Sunni school of thought preach us to be muslim only . PEACE

 

[Patriots]

Actually this report has been written to mischief in society ... Writer is following for some foreign agenda.........

First Deoband Madrassa was established in 1866 in India. If we look at the history, Deoband is fairly new sect of Islam.

I think this is lack of his knowledge ... Deoband Madarassa was establish in mentioned year but ideology was not developed then ... They actually follow Imam Abu Hanifa (RA) and time by time different Muslim scholars were refine Islamic teachings ... Like Mujadid Alif Thani Ahmed Sirhindi ... Imdadullah Muhajir Makki.......

Deoband sect slowly worked to make it stronger and they were very active during Pakistan movement. Jamat e Islami (India) had more of a Deoband influence rather than Barelvi. (That is why they openly opposed Mohammad Ali Jinnah due to his Shia credentials.) But both coexisted due to some similarities amongst them especially they both followed Imam Abu Hanifa in Fiqh.

Maulana Modoodi had take some ideology from Deoband sect but in several things he has very very different ideology ... Please his book "Khilafat or Malukiat"

Darul Uloom Deoband that is followed by Sipah Sahaba, Taliban, Ahl-e-Hadees

Even writer has acute shortage of knowledge ... He included Ahle Hadith in Deoband sect ... Whereas Ahle Hadith is a individual school of thought ... Deoband follow a particular Imam who is Imam Abu Hanifa (RA) but Ahle Hadith don't follow to any particular Imam & they have many difference in faith.........

Deoband came to lime light and also became a force to be reckon with in Pakistan with the advent of greatest evil this country had seen, General Mohammad Zia Ul Haq, who was also known in army circles as Butcher of Jordan.

General Zia in order to strengthen his grip on power used the Deoband mullahs. Whole Pakistan government was made to appear as one big Deoband institution. Due to Zia this deoband thought crept in army, one example is before Zia’s advent the Pakistan Army commandos used “Nara e Haidry — Ya Ali” as their morale booster but it was changed to “Allah Hoo Allah Hoo”.

I think you don't know that Gen. Zia belonged to Deobandi sect & Nawaz Sharif too ... He has connections with SSP, LeJ & TTP ... You have to revisit to your political support after posting such non-sense article.............

During this time period of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, US also saw the opportunity and gave its backing to this rag tag sect looking for money to establish themselves in Pakistani dominantly Barelvi society. US and Saudi petro dollars started flow freely in Pakistan. We saw madrassas appearing in every nook and corner of the street and mohallah. No one said any word against it. Our own Ahle Sunnat (Barelvi) kept quiet during this influx of the Deoband madrassas.

General Zia with his own wisdom formed armed wing of the Deoband sect by the name of Sipah-e-Sahibah. This armed wing purely directed its vengeance at Shia sect. During this time Shia-Sunni tensions grew to its dangerous heights. In reality this never was Shia-Sunni tension; it was always Deoband-Shia tensions.

Afghan war was not be related with Deobandi sect ... This was purely American war against Russia ... USA had to defeat USSR ... And they use Pakistan for their interest ... They found Gen. Zia & religiously he belonged to Deoband faith ... So he promoted to them for American interest ... And for your information Taliban are Deoband but they formed after Zia Ul Haq's death ... If America was fell in Deoband "ISHQ" they why have beaten to same Deobandi Taliban..??? So Americans were not in an affair with them ... They fought both wars for their own interest ............
Rest of all things have been written in article for Shitte interest which shows that writer is belong to Shitte sect ..................

 

[Patriots]

Are you sure Barelvis are still a majority in Pakistan ?

I think its the Deobandis now.

Nope ... Barelvis are in high majority then Deobandis ..............

In my opinion, if we look closely, we will observe :

Allah aik hai.
Muhammad S.A.W.W Allah k banday aur Os k Rasool hain.
Tamaam Anbiya k Bar'haq honay par Emaan.
Tamaam Aasmaani Kitabon aur Sa'haiif k Bar'haq hony par Emaan.
Farishton k Bar'haq honay par Emaan
Qayamat k din par Emaan.
Marnay k baad dobara zinda kar k othaye jany par Emaan.

Deobandi, Barailvi, Ahle Hadees kisi ka iss baray mai koi Ikhtilaaf nahi.

Namaaz Din mai 5bar farz hai.
Sahib e Haisyat par Zakat.
Ramzaan ul Mubarak mai Rozay.
Sahib e Ist'ta'at par zindagee mai 1bar Hajj farz.

Deobandi, Barailvi, Ahle Hadees kisi ka iss baray mai koi Ikhtilaaf nahi.

Yai wo Aham Aqaid hain jo insaan ke Abdi Nijaat k hasool mai BUNYADI KIRDAR ada karty ahin. Inn par kisi ka koi ihktilaf nahi hai. Sb k Asal Bunyaadi Aqaid yai he hain.
So Islaam k kisi firqay mai Bunyadi Aqaid k hawaly se koi Ikhtilaaf nahi paya jata.
Iss k baad k Ikhtilafaat "Fazailee" Ikhtilafaat hain. Sb k paas apnay apnay dala'il hain. Koi kisi taraiqay ko Afzal
Khayal karta hai aur koi Kisi dosray tareeqay ko Afzal Khayal karta hai.
Bigarr paida tb hoa jab kuch (na Aaqbat Andaish) Imam Masjid ne Aam logo mai apni ilmiyat jharrnay k liya, Ikhtilaafi masail ko -ive andaz mai paish kiya.

Truly said ..........

 

[SBD-3]

The mosques should be neutral places of worship for all Sunnis.

Should be, but in fact they are not, Below the name of every mosque in Pakistan (except those of awqaaf) these is a small writing "ASJW-Brelvi","ASWJ-Deubandi" or "Aahl-e-Hadith". So while the Masjid is for worship of The one and only God, then why do we brand them for a specific sect? I can quote further observations are made in this context but that would be a bit controversial.

This non-sensical practice of taking over a masjid and poisoning the minds of worshippers has got to stop.

Agreed indeed.

PS: Masjid-un-Nabawi is a sacred mosque and the Prophet's burial place is not a shrine.

Masjid-e-Nabvi has always had the distinction that it was not only a mosque but also included the house of Prophet (S.A.A.W.W) ( and initially many of Shahbas (RA)) in it. For example, as per the abstract of one hadith, The doors of surrounding houses opened in Masjid e nabvi. Prophet (S.A.A.W.W) having notice that people may violate the sacredness of the Masjid, ordered the closure of all the doors opening in courtyard of Masjid except Hazrat Ali (K.A.W.K)'s. Moreover, when Prophet (S.A.A.W.W) felt sickness and asked Hazrat Abu Bakar (RA) to lead the prayers, the hadith says that he then visited the progression of salat from his own chamber/house and smiled....So hadiths have observed that Masjid'e Nabvi was not just a masjid. The chamber was the private place of Prophet (S.A.A.W.W), not a part of masjid. Prophet (S.A.A.W.W),Hazrat Umar (RA) and Hazrat Abu Bakar(RA) are all buried in the same chamber. Thus Masjid e nabvi still is not merely a masjid but also contains burial place of Prophet (S.A.A.W.W) and his companions (RA).

 

[Kompromat]

Extremism is a public health issue.

 

[monitor12345]

Could not understand whom the writer is trying to instigate..... If Brelvi and Deoband are living together why the people like writer feel severe pain in their great ashhhh holes.

Because, Wahabis are responsible for 50% bomb blasts in Pakistan. They are destroying Schools, Holy Shrines, Killing innocent people in the name of Islam, which is totally forbidden in Islam.

Because, Deobandi Sipah e Sahaba are killing Shias, because of which Real Sunni-Shia tensions are growing...
Because, They discourage visiting Shrines , which is permissible in Islam.

 

[monitor12345]

Shameful Article , Specially written to Divide Muslims. . But horribly failed , cuz all Sunni school of thought preach us to be muslim only . PEACE

If all Sunni school of thoughts preach us to be muslims only, Then why upon all or majority of mosques, different suffixes are written like Ahle Sunnat Wa Jamaat ( ASWJ- Barelvi, ASWJ- Deobandi, Ahle Hadees ) ???

 

[monitor12345]

Excellent Article....
I think the majority of members in this forum are Deobandi & Wahabis...
It is a fact that these Deobandis & Wahabis are masters in occupying Sunnis Barelvis Mosques. Since deobandis & Wahabis offer prayers 5 times a day, and real Sunnis don't offer with such regularity, and are away from Mosques, these deviant sects of Wahabis & Deobandis take advantage of the situation & occupy others Mosques.
Worldwide Sunnis are the majority of whole Muslim population.

 

[K-Xeroid]

If all Sunni school of thoughts preach us to be muslims only, Then why upon all or majority of mosques, different suffixes are written like Ahle Sunnat Wa Jamaat ( ASWJ- Barelvi, ASWJ- Deobandi, Ahle Hadees ) ???

ASWJ is termed referred to Sunnis , They all are very similar interms of faith and follow same sources as references . Most Religious scholars agreed with each other on many basic issues , But few practices that were later added in the name of religion have created some differences. Which are being rectified with time . Suffixes are referred to school of thought , It doesn't mean that they have changed religion . Your next post reflects your shortage of knowledge about Islam.

 

[Zarvan]

If all Sunni school of thoughts preach us to be muslims only, Then why upon all or majority of mosques, different suffixes are written like Ahle Sunnat Wa Jamaat ( ASWJ- Barelvi, ASWJ- Deobandi, Ahle Hadees ) ???

people have given these titles other wise big scholars only divide Muslim into two major sects suunis which include able hadees and shias

 

[HRK]

First Deoband Madrassa was established in 1866 in India. If we look at the history, Deoband is fairly new sect of Islam. Deoband sect slowly worked to make it stronger and they were very active during Pakistan movement. Jamat e Islami (India) had more of a Deoband influence rather than Barelvi. (That is why they openly opposed Mohammad Ali Jinnah due to his Shia credentials.) But both coexisted due to some similarities amongst them especially they both followed Imam Abu Hanifa in Fiqh.

Darul Uloom Deoband that is followed by Sipah Sahaba, Taliban, Ahl-e-Hadees and other ****** groups. Deoband came to lime light and also became a force to be reckon with in Pakistan with the advent of greatest evil this country had seen, General Mohammad Zia Ul Haq, who was also known in army circles as Butcher of Jordan.

General Zia in order to strengthen his grip on power used the Deoband mullahs. Whole Pakistan government was made to appear as one big Deoband institution. Due to Zia this deoband thought crept in army, one example is before Zia’s advent the Pakistan Army commandos used “Nara e Haidry — Ya Ali” as their morale booster but it was changed to “Allah Hoo Allah Hoo”.

During this time period of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, US also saw the opportunity and gave its backing to this rag tag sect looking for money to establish themselves in Pakistani dominantly Barelvi society. US and Saudi petro dollars started flow freely in Pakistan. We saw madrassas appearing in every nook and corner of the street and mohallah. No one said any word against it. Our own Ahle Sunnat (Barelvi) kept quiet during this influx of the Deoband madrassas.

General Zia with his own wisdom formed armed wing of the Deoband sect by the name of Sipah-e-Sahibah. This armed wing purely directed its vengeance at Shia sect. During this time Shia-Sunni tensions grew to its dangerous heights. In reality this never was Shia-Sunni tension; it was always Deoband-Shia tensions.

Shia and Sunni have lived together for centuries without any major tensions. During all this time Sunni (Barelvi) ulema kept quiet to the persecution of Shias. Deobandi and Barelvi became so much intermingled that it was very hard to recognize who is who. I even cannot believe many educated people of good families when asked which sect do you belong to they would say Ahle sunnat (Hanfi) but when you go into details of their beliefs, they are purely Deoband beliefs.

While Madrassas of Barelvi and Shia were started in many cities too, but they were very few in number. Deobandi madrassas grew phenomenally with petro dollars of Saudi Arabia and our expats living in other countries.

General Zia’s advent and Soviet invasion of Afghanistan along with Iran’s revolution created a stir in the Middle East and Pakistan. The fear of Iranian revolution aka Shia revolution (1979) to creep into its bordering countries grew. Rulers in the Middle East and Pakistan used the Deoband strategy to ward off Shia influence from Iran. Barelvi did go along with the plan. Barelvi never questioned Zia for what he was doing to the basic fabric of the society.

Rest was taken care of by the huge madrassas in remote areas who along with short cut religious education concentrated on drawing a divide with rest of the sects and military ****** training. Simple people of villages got sucked into an extremist Deoband thought. This didn’t cause panic amongst Barelvi sect until very recently.

Barelvi always looked kindly to Deoband as their foot soldiers to tackle (the imaginary) Shia influence but in the end Deobandis turned against their own keepers.

With so many Deoband Madrassa educated moulvis working in and taking charge of Barelvi mosques in disguise created panic amongst Barelvis that their mosques are being hijacked. I know many cases in which there are disputes in courts amongst Barelvi and deoband people for control of mosques.

Deoband and Barelvi beliefs have mingled so much that it is tough for common people to differentiate and it is also difficult for ulema to take a clear stand of their beliefs.

Last night I was watching “50 Minutes” on Geo TV which was set up at Lahore’s Data Darbar. Amongst other guests there was a khateeb of Data Sahib Masjid; I assumed that he is Barelvi. He was describing something and he said Hazrat Ali (r.a.) and Hazrat Ameer Muawiya (r.a). While growing up in a small town, our Ahle sunnat Ulema never referred to Ameer Muaiwya as Hazrat and (r.a.) due to his disputes with and mutiny against Hazrat Ali (r.a), who is treated as a legitimate Guided Caliph by Ahl-e-Sunnat. It is purely a Deoband philosophy to call Muawiya and Yazeed as Hazrat and (r.a.).

At the moment, we are seeing the revival of Ahle Sunnat i.e Barelvi school of thought, and rightly so. But it has left many common people confused which way to go.

Barelvi sect will have a very tough time to ward off the Deoband extremist beliefs and have to further educate common people of the ideological and practical differences.

The constructions of madrassas and mosques should be put under some kind government control (possibly run by ulema of all sects). Now prominent intellectuals of Barelvi sect have started calling Maulana Shibli Nomani, Mauan Maudoodi, Dr Israr Ahmed and Dr Zakir Naik as scholars of Deoband sect who have infiltrated into mainstream Ahle Sunnat (Barelvi) population. Barelvis are now trying to distance themselves from the Deoband.

Barelvi ulemas have to realize that Deoband is much mor dangerous to their basic beliefs than their fear of Shia. Holy places like Ali Hajveri Data Sahib, Shah Shams Tabrez, Baba Fareed Gunj Bakhsh, Baba Buleh Shah, Shahbaz Qalandar, Bari Imam, and Bahauddin Zikria, Haq Bahu and many others are important and holy to both Shia and Sunni followers. It is Deoband who are against visiting the shrines of Allah’s holy people and consider it “Shirk”.

Deoband, Wahabi and Ahle Hadees follow similar thoughts they are born of Saudi patronage. King Saud demolished the holy shrines of Hazrat Fatima, Prophet’s wives Umhat-ul-Momineen and Prophet’s relatives in Jannat-ul-Baqee, and they are continuously destroying any place that has significance to Islam’s holy personalities.

The only reason Kaba and Masjid e Nabvi is still standing there is because it is a source of earning for Saud; otherwise according to their beliefs it is also shirk. If visiting a shrine is shirk (polytheism), then how come shrine of our beloved Prophet (pbuh) is still there among those people.
Hijacking a faith: How an extremist Deobandi ideology rules the Barelvi majority? – by Fawad Manzoor

What a BS...a sectarian crap......author look mentally retarded.....to me

 

[SBD-3]

If all Sunni school of thoughts preach us to be muslims only, Then why upon all or majority of mosques, different suffixes are written like Ahle Sunnat Wa Jamaat ( ASWJ- Barelvi, ASWJ- Deobandi, Ahle Hadees ) ???

Actually there is far more below the water. Sunnis are still fairly liberal in their approach (even I also know many liberal ahle hadith who dont mind praying in sunni masajid). But actually, its the perceived lack of differences between Traditional Sunnis and Deuband sunnis has helped them in attracting strength from mainstream. For example Deubandis roughy constitute around 20% of total population but operate around 51% of the madrissahs. Can one imagine that these madrissahs would only be enrolling deubandis? Even I took my initial religious education from an Ahle-Hadith Madrissah and subsequently tutoring from Ahle-Hadith teachers. But when my neighbor did the same, he accepted the beliefs of ahle-hadith. Now half of the house is sunni while half of the house is ahle-hadith. One of my undergrad tutor was brelvi sunni, but he subsequently joined tabligi jamat and now follows deubandi school of though. We only had a brelvi masjid in the neighborhood and everybody used to go there for praying but now the members of tabligi jamat have constructed a second masjid for deubandi school of though.

 

[Leader]

Don't know what this guy is talking about because all the major contemporary Sunni scholars that I know used to say Hazrat Ameer Muaiwya(RZ) as criticizing or maligning any companion of the Prophet(SAW) is against the basic ideology of Ahlay Suunah irrespective of Barelvis or Deobandis.

Apparently the writer wants Pakistani society to divide further and wants Barelvis and Deobandis to start killing each other. Great work of intellect from PPP mouthpiece.

thisssssssssss.......

 

[Leader]

All religious scholars along with the taliban heads should be sent in Arabian sea on a ship and ask them to debate.

ham sab sakooooooooooooon mien aa jayen gaye...