High tech export: india is worse than Philippines

[AndrewJin]

I have told you the reason for it - Indians are living in more sustainable manner and not over exploiting natural resources. Chinese are foolishly consuming their natural resource. Your generation may live nicely, but your future generations will have a bag of shit as all the resources would have depleted by then. Do you think that such a way is desirable? As I see it, it is suicide

How do you survive the extremely hot weather?
I guess being poor and being unable to run an A/C is glorious?
Maybe the real indian upper middle class disagree.
Do you have A/C but want to preach that the rest of the extremely poor indians should not have?



I guess your weird inhumane argument can also explain the very low consumption for everything in india....
But @Bussard Ramjet claims india is a consumption-based society..........
@Bussard Ramjet Is this again an example of first india vs second india chasm? From all his comments I did not found any reasoning for this thread's claim, but talking emptiness here and there....I have no idea what he wants to convey......

 

[faithfulguy]

Philippines is a puppet of the USA. USA has bases in philippines. But, recently the new president is drifting away just like Erdogan. USA is losing influence fast. Just like South Korea, Japan have no resource but USA patronage, philippines also is in similar situation.

There is nothing big to speak here. India has always been service sector oriented and not a manufacturing hub. India didn't want to exploit its natural resources too much and only focused on sustainable things.

Philippines has poor R&D. It is just that some low end goods like motor vehicles are considered as high tech good and the numbers are skewed. Let us only consider chips, defence, space, electronics to see who stand where

You are right, India has skipped manufacturing and become a service level economy.

Also China and Saudi Arabia is way over extracting it’s oil and God give every country the same amount of resources and Saudi Arabia and China is extracting too much now and not leaving enough for its future generation. India extract enough oil to leave rest for future.

Did you just joined this forum after spending 20 years in Bharat Rajshahk????

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

I urge all Indian members to go pdf Chinese narrative that high tech exports do determine manufacturing sophistication, in order to ensure their cultural sensitives are not affected.

Please do not do any research and debunk these delicate fantasies of superiority from high tech exports

Like for example:

Check this listing of High-technology exports (% of manufactured exports)

i.e High-technology exports are products with high R&D intensity, such as in aerospace, computers, pharmaceuticals, scientific instruments, and electrical machinery % of total manufactured exports

https://data.worldbank.org/indicato...alue+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc&view=map

Going by this definition nation of Niger is a world leader in High tech exports.

for 2013 52% of Niger's exports are high tech far ahead of USA's high tech exports at 18%

Here is an actual picture of Niger's exports:

 

[AndrewJin]

You are right, India has skipped manufacturing and become a service level economy.

Also China and Saudi Arabia is way over extracting it’s oil and God give every country the same amount of resources and Saudi Arabia and China is extracting too much now and not leaving enough for its future generation. India extract enough oil to leave rest for future.

Did you just joined this forum after spending 20 years in Bharat Rajshahk????

I find his entire arguments amusing and out-of-touch.

He might now use his smart phone or computer in a better-than-average-indian environment but dares to say the other poor indians should not enjoy the basic living standards that are shared by people in developed countries and many developing countries, basic things like A/C!

I urge all Indian members to go pdf Chinese narrative that high tech exports do determine manufacturing sophistication, in order to ensure their cultural sensitives are not affected.

Please do not do any research and debunk these delicate fantasies of superiority from high tech exports

Like for example:

Check this listing of High-technology exports (% of manufactured exports)

i.e High-technology exports are products with high R&D intensity, such as in aerospace, computers, pharmaceuticals, scientific instruments, and electrical machinery % of total manufactured exports

https://data.worldbank.org/indicato...alue+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc&view=map

Going by this definition nation of Niger is a world leader in High tech exports.

for 2013 52% of Niger's exports are high tech far ahead of USA's high tech exports at 18%

Here is an actual picture of Niger's exports:

I guess the non-high-tech indian exports by your definition is not low-tech, congrats!

 

[randomradio]

India's value added is extremely low.

I believe SEA nations will one by one surpass India in value-added, if not they have not already done so. Countries such as Vietnam are already evolving into classical East Asian developmental state in our region.

They have a chance to catch the last development train, but India stands no chance.



The share of exports in China's GDP has been declining whereas the GDP continues to grow. Because, domestic consumption has kicked in in China because of its economies of scale, hence, China relies less on foreign markets for development.

You can grow into Tencent, a global internet juggernaut, by simply relying on the domestic market initially.

China is evolving into innovation-driven, high value-added manufacturing based, consumption economy.

Meh. How many of these countries have sent a satellite to Mars or have a full fledged defence industry? Not everything can be quantified through exports alone.

 

[faithfulguy]

I urge all Indian members to go pdf Chinese narrative that high tech exports do determine manufacturing sophistication, in order to ensure their cultural sensitives are not affected.

Please do not do any research and debunk these delicate fantasies of superiority from high tech exports

Like for example:

Check this listing of High-technology exports (% of manufactured exports)

i.e High-technology exports are products with high R&D intensity, such as in aerospace, computers, pharmaceuticals, scientific instruments, and electrical machinery % of total manufactured exports

https://data.worldbank.org/indicato...alue+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc&view=map

Going by this definition nation of Niger is a world leader in High tech exports.

for 2013 52% of Niger's exports are high tech far ahead of USA's high tech exports at 18%

Here is an actual picture of Niger's exports:

The list is in absolute dollar... Please read the op posting. Otherwise, you make yourself look like an idiot like right now.

Meh. How many of these countries have sent a satellite to Mars or have a full fledged defence industry? Not everything can be quantified through exports alone.

yap, India is ahead of US in Mars exploration.

 

[AndrewJin]

The list is in absolute dollar... Please read the op posting. Otherwise, you make yourself look like an idiot like right now.

Already is

 

[faithfulguy]

Already is

Some people make themselves look like idiots is because they are idiots.

 

[AndrewJin]

Some people make themselves look like idiots is because they are idiots.

If I were him I'd not even comment here.
Why not spending more time figuring out what will be the strategies for increasing such abysmal number of high-tech exports?
By saying the well-accepted definition is wrong against indian members' fragile souls?
Or by importing robots to claim make-in-india to show in front of american guests?

 

[randomradio]

yap, India is ahead of US in Mars exploration.

Not the US, but China definitely.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Not the US, but China definitely.

Some Chinese here claim India's mars mission is due usage of made in China products like Lenovo Laptop to view ppts on Mars mission plus any made in China smartphones or smartphones components used by ISRO personnel.

So India's mars mission is actually a Chinese success.

According to them without Chinese imports Indians will go back to living in jungles.

 

[randomradio]

If I were him I'd not even comment here.
Why not spending more time figuring out what will be the strategies for increasing such abysmal number of high-tech exports?
By saying the well-accepted definition is wrong against indian members' fragile souls?
Or by importing robots to claim make-in-india to show in front of american guests?

Most of the stuff China has done is simply through investment, not innovation. Doing what China did, or what other ASEAN countries are doing, is simply investment led growth in high tech trade.

If we make it convenient for phone and TV manufacturers to setup a factory in India, then that becomes high tech trade. That's not a real high tech industry.

The only real invention and innovation happening in poorer Asian countries is in China's and India's defence and space sectors. Everybody else is simply manufacturing some high end goods.

India launching satellites for American customers is a bigger deal than Vietnam selling Samsung phones.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

@faithfulguy
I understand tensions are high with data I present can destroy fragile ego and delusions carefully groomed over years for some people here.

But please refrain from resorting to verbal insults as mods here consider such people unworthy of opinion similar to creatures incapable of having options.

I prefer to use % over absolute numbers due to varying resources each of nations posses.

For example on absolute number Chinese manufacturing is highest but on per-capita contribution it is lower than some nations.

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India launching satellites for American customers is a bigger deal than Vietnam selling Samsung phones.

India launching satellites would more come under services exports.

From a manufacturing point of view, we can consider aerospace exports.

Its interesting despite a superior aerospace technologies possessed by China. India's aerospace exports for 2014 were 2.5 greater than China's. Though both India and China started at same level at 2012.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Vietnam is not a high technology hub. It is just assembly hub. China is able to produce so much items because it extracts natural resources and sells them at throw away prices.

Just look at the production by countries of these resources -

Coal, iron, aluminum, copper, tin, lead, zinc, manganese, phosphate, potassium, gold, molybdenum, tungsten.

Now, you will understand why china is booming. They are over exploiting their resources and selling for low prices.

These are non renewable resources and will be permanently depleted because of over exploitation

1. China's environment in general is better preserved than India's and is more sustainable.
2. China exploited its resources while it was poor.
3. But that phase has long passed.
4. You are right that China produces up to 40-50% of the metals.
5. However, the resources by themselves are imported. China imports huge amount of Ores from all the countries in the world.

How do you survive the extremely hot weather?
I guess being poor and being unable to run an A/C is glorious?
Maybe the real indian upper middle class disagree.
Do you have A/C but want to preach that the rest of the extremely poor indians should not have?



I guess your weird inhumane argument can also explain the very low consumption for everything in india....
But @Bussard Ramjet claims india is a consumption-based society..........
@Bussard Ramjet Is this again an example of first india vs second india chasm? From all his comments I did not found any reasoning for this thread's claim, but talking emptiness here and there....I have no idea what he wants to convey......

1. In India, an AC is still considered a luxury for many.
2. India's electricity consumption is almost a fifth of China's.
3. However the above statement doesn't mean that Indians in general use only a fifth of electricity for their personal use.
4. India doesn't have the extensive manufacturing and industrial base of China which requires substantially high energy compared to services.
5. This above is the reason why while India uses a fifth of China's electricity, the actual electricity consumption for personal use is not one fifth.
6. So how much is it? I personally don't know. I will bet on around a third of China's.
7. There is certainly a first and second India chasm, but what was displayed here by Indians was not actually this chasm, but simply defensiveness towards insult.
8. Your starting of such a thread is not a polite gesture towards Indians, and many people, understandably get defensive.

 

[AndrewJin]

1. China's environment in general is better preserved than India's and is more sustainable.
2. China exploited its resources while it was poor.
3. But that phase has long passed.
4. You are right that China produces up to 40-50% of the metals.
5. However, the resources by themselves are imported. China imports huge amount of Ores from all the countries in the world.

1. In India, an AC is still considered a luxury for many.
2. India's electricity consumption is almost a fifth of China's.
3. However the above statement doesn't mean that Indians in general use only a fifth of electricity for their personal use.
4. India doesn't have the extensive manufacturing and industrial base of China which requires substantially high energy compared to services.
5. This above is the reason why while India uses a fifth of China's electricity, the actual electricity consumption for personal use is not one fifth.
6. So how much is it? I personally don't know. I will bet on around a third of China's.
7. There is certainly a first and second India chasm, but what was displayed here by Indians was not actually this chasm, but simply defensiveness towards insult.
8. Your starting of such a thread is not a polite gesture towards Indians, and many people, understandably get defensive.

If members want to be defensive, I totally understand.
They can argue what kind of existing hight-tech industries they have, instead of throwing out those meaningless comments. Useless defence = no defence
They can even quote the domestic market for high-tech products, for example the emerging smart phone assembling industry.
Wouldn't be it more effectively defensive?

• In India, an AC is still considered a luxury for many.

• India's electricity consumption is almost a fifth of China's.

• However the above statement doesn't mean that Indians in general use only a fifth of electricity for their personal use.

If this is the case, then why did he have to say things like people should not have that kind of life style?
Having and running A/C is a sin?
If that was the defensive tactic you'd like to see, then I am totally speechless.

However, the resources by themselves are imported. China imports huge amount of Ores from all the countries in the world.

Do you know half of Japan's wood exports are to China?