Hezbollah senior commander killed

[nirreich]

What an odd way to put it, I could substitute your statements and make a similar one. Once the Jewish state decides to put away that belief that they are entitled to anybody's land within Palestine and prove this with action we can make security/border arrangements as a later step in this stage.

As for Gaza it is isolated from Palestine and their representatives are not present in any discussion. So it's unreasonable to demand anything from them unless you bring Hamas to the negotiating table.

You consider them disputed territories, the international world does not. The Israeli army needs to removed along with the majority of their settlers who settled in the past decade or couple mostly. Where are you also getting these details? Do you really want me to believe the Likud will move their settlers whom they sponsor and fund?

Nowhere did I see this 'offer' in current negotiations. It isn't offer, it's more like a bargain with an occupied people's. Which is absurd in itself.

Israel has already agreed since 2000 to the establishment of a free independent Palestinian state, so how that settles with your argument that Israel think it is entitled to anybody's land? So it is up for the Palestinian to accept the existence of Israel as it is and that they will not be able to terrorize it - and we can have peace. I think these are elementary demands that if you want peace then accept the legitimacy of your rival and stop your violent actions against him.

As for Gaza - ask Hamas to accept the above reasonable conditions and we can have peace with it too. Do not expect Israel to negotiate with a terror organisation which is committed to Israel's destruction, would you?

I call the West Bank a disputed territory because that is what they are - illegally occupied by Jordan in 1948 and taken by Israel because of Arab aggression. Mind you that the 1967 borders were a ceasefire lines, not an international border that any nation on earth recognized as such. Hence these are disputed territories and Israel has full legitimacy to continue to hold then until an agreement is reached and its security concerns are fully answered - mind you, the West Bank was used as for military operations against Israel before and after 1967, so Israel has a substantial argument.

As for the international community, all of the sides accept resolution 242 of the UNSC which clearly states that Israel is not obliged to withdraw to the 1967 line, but from unspecific "territories" and has the right to exist in peace and security.

 

[Falcon29]

Israel has already agreed since 2000 to the establishment of a free independent Palestinian state, so how that settles with your argument that Israel think it is entitled to anybody's land? So it is up for the Palestinian to accept the existence of Israel as it is and that they will not be able to terrorize it - and we can have peace. I think these are elementary demands that if you want peace then accept the legitimacy of your rival and stop your violent actions against him.

As for Gaza - ask Hamas to accept the above reasonable conditions and we can have peace with it too. Do not expect Israel to negotiate with a terror organisation which is committed to Israel's destruction, would you?

I call the West Bank a disputed territory because that is what they are - illegally occupied by Jordan in 1948 and taken by Israel because of Arab aggression. Mind you that the 1967 borders were a ceasefire lines, not an international border that any nation on earth recognized as such. Hence these are disputed territories and Israel has full legitimacy to continue to hold then until an agreement is reached and its security concerns are fully answered - mind you, the West Bank was used as for military operations against Israel before and after 1967, so Israel has a substantial argument.

As for the international community, all of the sides accept resolution 242 of the UNSC which clearly states that Israel is not obliged to withdraw to the 1967 line, but from unspecific "territories" and has the right to exist in peace and security.

What in the world are you talking about? There is massive Jewish presence in the West Bank and Israeli government officials want to keep increasing it while having them scattered to make land arrangements very difficult and complicated.

Israel has not agreed to Palestinian independent state. How are you saying that while there are polls going on as we speak of whether Israelis believe there will be an independent Palestinian state? Are you involved in confidential negotiations? Are you getting assurances Israel will remove its military presence in the West Bank which is the only way one can be independent and sovereign?

Can you provide us links to these claims so we can believe any atom of them are true?

As for Gaza, it's isolated and if Israel expects them to be involved then they should announce so and negotiate with the ruling power in Gaza. That's not what they want though, they want to keep it under a siege and isolated. So frankly this is just an excuse to pedal back peace talks. Once Israel enables the West Bank to connect with Gaza as a part of an independent Palestinian state then will we ask Hamas to come forward to the table and discuss conditions for the south. As of now, I haven't seen that in the works so I can't take it seriously.

 

[nirreich]

What in the world are you talking about? There is massive Jewish presence in the West Bank and Israeli government officials want to keep increasing it while having them scattered to make land arrangements very difficult and complicated.

Israel has not agreed to Palestinian independent state. How are you saying that while there are polls going on as we speak of whether Israelis believe there will be an independent Palestinian state? Are you involved in confidential negotiations? Are you getting assurances Israel will remove its military presence in the West Bank which is the only way one can be independent and sovereign?

Can you provide us links to these claims so we can believe any atom of them are true?

As for Gaza, it's isolated and if Israel expects them to be involved then they should announce so and negotiate with the ruling power in Gaza. That's not what they want though, they want to keep it under a siege and isolated. So frankly this is just an excuse to pedal back peace talks. Once Israel enables the West Bank to connect with Gaza as a part of an independent Palestinian state then will we ask Hamas to come forward to the table and discuss conditions for the south. As of now, I haven't seen that in the works so I can't take it seriously.

You can look on any serious publication about the Camp David negotiation in 2000. Israel accepted the creation of a Palestinian state and was ready to evacuate more than 90% of the disputed territory. This acceptance was again give by PM Olmert in 2008. Moreover, even the current PM Netanyahu announced in his speech in 2009 that he agree to the creation of a Palestinian state: www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY6fGMC0VtQ‎

As I said, a Palestinian state can be established if it agrees to the existence of a Israel as it is and to stop any violence against it. Why can't you accept this reasonable demands? Would you expect any other nation to give its enemy anything without the latter acceptance of their existance and their right to live in peace?

Gaza is isolated and continue to be like that until Hamas will stop its terrorism and its aspirations for the destruction of Israel. Why should Israel pity an enemy which openly say we are poised to kill you? Ask Hamas to recognize Israel and stop its terrorism and we can negotiate.

 

[Falcon29]

You can look on any serious publication about the Camp David negotiation in 2000. Israel accepted the creation of a Palestinian state and was ready to evacuate more than 90% of the disputed territory. This acceptance was again give by PM Olmert in 2008. Moreover, even the current PM Netanyahu announced in his speech in 2009 that he agree to the creation of a Palestinian state: www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY6fGMC0VtQ‎

As I said, a Palestinian state can be established if it agrees to the existence of a Israel as it is and to stop any violence against it. Why can't you accept this reasonable demands? Would you expect any other nation to give its enemy anything without the latter acceptance of their existance and their right to live in peace?

Gaza is isolated and continue to be like that until Hamas will stop its terrorism and its aspirations for the destruction of Israel. Why should Israel pity an enemy which openly say we are poised to kill you? Ask Hamas to recognize Israel and stop its terrorism and we can negotiate.

This is funny, we go back to the same thing, this time I'm not doing no dirty work. You're stating half truths yet again. You don't know believe in being an honest and straightforward person in dialogue.

So this analysis covers most of the work you're gonna keep trying to bring us back to because you live a sad life and use propaganda techniques over and over again to avoid a real straight forward discussion.

Camp David, Real and Invented :: Middle East Quarterly

Simply stating something also does not at all mimic actions. Netanyahu's actions and especially he increase of settlements at an all time high during his term do not reflect whatsoever on his statements. You're gonna have to try harder than that.

You aren't being clear on what it is Israel wants. This is because you avoid presenting the terms of your short thesis. Which means we are not getting any straightforward implications from you. You're leaving us to guess what your thesis means as a way to make us appear as if we're against peace.

And way to ignore my point with Gaza, you go back and make the same nifty statements over and over again. You can't demand Gaza have any conditions to the negotiations if you don't allow their representatives to be a part of the discussion. Leave the rest of your horse shit out of this and stop using Gaza as an excuse to derail talks.

 

[Falcon29]

Where did you go? Are you gonna play the game of the Camp David myths all over again to justify Israelis intended occupation of the West Bank?

 

[Striving Soul]

he was a key figure in the weapons developmental program, this is the second time after ammad mugnia Mossad is trying to trap the driving force of Hizbollah.

 

[Resurrection5782]

We did not conquer Palestine, we liberated our historical homeland. Palestine is a fiction made in the 1920's.

Israel never massacred any Muslim. On the contrary, for more than a century Arabs and Muslims are dedicating themselves to the destruction of Israel and to the massacre of all its people.

Israel never occupied Syria or Lebanon. These countries fought against Israel again and again and lost and as a result Israel took over part of their territory - South Lebanon until 2000 and the Golan Heights until today.

As for God, it appears he likes us very much. How else can you explain Israel's success while all its Arab's neighboring countries are humiliated and destroyed over and over again.



Israel never had and never will have a policy of killing civilians, this kind of policy is adopted by the one you probably support - Iran, Syria, Hizbohala, Hamas and other barbaric terrorists.

Israel is a peace seeking nation, although we are fighting against murderers, and other primitive degenerates.



Israel has more moral ground than any other country to treat the Iranian regime as what it is: a gang of terrorists with primitive ideology which includes violence and death against anyone who is not fanatic like these mullahs.

your historical land or Nassty occupation!!!

U were a fiction in Egypt and GOD rescued u against pharaoh by Prophet Moses[SAA] more than 2500 years ago in egypt.And now after 2500 years U believe palestine and nile to the euphrate belongs to U and they should be discharged.

U are just occupying cancerous tumor on muslim nation and soon must expunge.

 

[500]

Yea right cowards when you can't kill him in battle you use assassinations that show how the Zionists are brave warriors

Iranian mullah logic: firing thousands rockets at civilian neighborhoods is glorious action. Blowing up civilian buses is also glorious brave action. But killing senior terrorist is coward crime.

 

[SALMAN F]

Iranian mullah logic: firing thousands rockets at civilian neighborhoods is glorious action. Blowing up civilian buses is also glorious brave action. But killing senior terrorist is coward crime.

That's your Zionist logic not ours we did not use chemical weapons against Iraq when used it against iran

 

[500]

That's your Zionist logic not ours we did not use chemical weapons against Iraq when used it against iran

I dont know what Iraq has to do with it. In Iran-Iraq war we supported you guys.

And now ur beloved Assad used chemical weapons against his own population, but u keep supporting him.

 

[Ceylal]

Iranian mullah logic: firing thousands rockets at civilian neighborhoods is glorious action. Blowing up civilian buses is also glorious brave action. But killing senior terrorist is coward crime.

One killing method doesn't sanctify another...But 500, you know that they won't keep their arm crossed...they will get even...

 

[500]

One killing method doesn't sanctify another...But 500, you know that they won't keep their arm crossed...they will get even...

OK fine. So we have now three positions:

Salman Farsi: blowing up markets is good thing, killing terrorist head - bad thing.
Ceylal: blowing up markets = killing terrorist head.
My position: blowing up markets is bad thing, killing terrorist head - good.

 

[Resurrection5782]

@500
My position is run out piggs from Palestine
It is not because of arab humiliations or any bullshit it is because we should end occupiers! Run them hell out of Palestine those occupiers!
We don`t play we do

 

[Doritos11]

OK fine. So we have now three positions:

Salman Farsi: blowing up markets is good thing, killing terrorist head - bad thing.
Ceylal: blowing up markets = killing terrorist head.
My position: blowing up markets is bad thing, killing terrorist head - good.

You just support the opposition because it cuts the Hezbollah line.
Your pulling a blind eye to the new al qaeda problem.

 

[haman10]

I dont know what Iraq has to do with it. In Iran-Iraq war we supported you guys

the heck ?

do you have sth like "i need more attention" syndrome ?

we made a revoloution to kick your a$$ out of our country , cause we didnt want a zionist flag in the center of tehran above the name "zionist embassy"

....

so if you need attention , i know some good docs they can help u .

chao for now