Hezbollah claims victory against Israel

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Hezbollah claims victory against Israel

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said Monday that his guerrillas achieved a "strategic, historic victory" against Israel a declaration that prompted celebratory gunfire across the Lebanese capital.

Israel's prime minister, however, maintained the offensive eliminated the "state within a state" run by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.

Lebanese civilians jammed onto roads to stream back to war-ravaged areas Monday after a the cease-fire halted the fighting that claimed more than 900 lives.

For the first time in a month, no rockets were fired into northern Israel, but few Israelis who fled the war were seen returning and Israel's government advised them to stay away for now.

Nasrallah said Hezbollah "came out victorious in a war in which big Arab armies were defeated (before)."

"We are today before a strategic, historic victory, without exaggeration," Nasrallah said. He spoke on the day a cease-fire took effect — ending 34 days of deadly fighting between Hezbollah and Israel. Nasrallah called Monday "a great day."

Now was not the time to debate the disarmament of his guerrilla fighters, Nasrallah asserted.

"Who will defend Lebanon in case of a new Israeli offensive?" he asked. "The Lebanese army and international troops are incapable of protecting Lebanon," he said, flanked by Lebanese and Hezbollah flags.

But Nasrallah said he was open to dialogue about Hezbollah's weapons at the appropriate time. And he credited his group's weapons with proving to Israel that "war with Lebanon will not be a picnic. It will be very costly."

"The main goal of Israel in this war has been to remove Hezbollah's weapons. This will not happen through destroying homes... It will come through discussion," Nasrallah said.

Israeli soldiers reported killing six Hezbollah fighters in four skirmishes in southern Lebanon after the guns fell silent, highlighting the tensions that could unravel the peace plan.

Lebanese, Israeli and U.N. officers met on the border to discuss the withdrawal of Israeli forces from southern Lebanon and the deployment of the Lebanese army in the region, U.N. spokesman Milos Strugar said.

The meeting, the first involving a Lebanese army officer and a counterpart from Israel since Israeli forces withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, marked the first step in the process of military disengagement as demanded by UN Security Council resolution.

 

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The fighting persisted until the last minutes before the cease-fire took effect Monday morning, with Israel destroying an antenna for Hezbollah's TV station and Hezbollah guerrillas clashing with Israeli troops near the southern city of Tyre and the border village of Kfar Kila.

Israeli warplanes struck a Hezbollah stronghold in eastern Lebanon and a Palestinian refugee camp in the south, killing two people, and Israeli artillery pounded targets across the border through the night.

After the cease-fire took effect, lines of cars — some loaded with mattresses and luggage — snaked slowly around bomb craters and ruined bridges as residents began heading south to find out what is left of their homes and businesses.

Humanitarian groups also sent convoys of food, water and medical supplies into the south, but the clogged roads slowed the effort. U.N. officials said 24 U.N. trucks took more than five hours to reach the port of Tyre from Sidon, a trip that normally takes 45 minutes.


Israel had not lifted its threat to destroy any vehicle on most southern roads, a ban designed to keep arms from getting to Hezbollah fighters, but there were no signs it was being enforced.

Capt. Jacob Dallal, a military spokesman, said the Israeli army was urging Lebanese civilians to stay out of the south until Lebanese troops and U.N. peacekeepers moved in to oversee the cease-fire.

"There are lots of Israeli troops and Hezbollah fighters. For their own safety, we advise them (civilians) not to go," Dallal said.

But Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz said at midafternoon that aside from the isolated skirmishes with Hezbollah, the cease-fire was holding and could have implications for future relations with Israel's neighbors.

In some places in the south, the rubble was still smoldering from a barrage of Israeli airstrikes just before the cease-fire took effect at 8 a.m. (1 a.m. EDT).
"I just want to find my home," said Ahmad Maana, who went back to Kafra, about five miles from the Israeli border, where whole sections of the town were flattened.

In Beirut's southern suburbs, a Hezbollah stronghold, people wrapped their faces with scarves as wind kicked up dust from the wreckage left by Israeli bombardments. Ahmed al-Zein poked through the ruins of his shop.
"This was the most beautiful street in the neighborhood," he said. "Now it's like an earthquake zone."
There were no reports of Israeli strikes on cars — a sign Israel did not want to risk rekindling the conflict. But at least one child was killed and 15 people were wounded by ordnance that detonated as they returned to their homes in the south, security officials said.

 

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The rush to return came despite a standoff that threatened to keep the cease-fire from taking root. Israeli forces remain in Lebanon, and Nasrallah said the militia would consider them legitimate targets until they leave.

In his speech, Nasrallah also promised to help the Lebanese rebuild.

Still, the truce ushered in a calm that the border region had not seen for more than a month.

Stores that had been closed for weeks began to reopen in Haifa, Israel's third largest city and a frequent target of Hezbollah rockets, and a few people returned to the beaches.

In Kiryat Shemona, where more than half the population fled during the war, streets were mostly empty but traffic lights winked on again. The few grocery stores that braved more than 700 rockets on the town were still the only places for food, with restaurants and cafes shut.

Residents stirred from their bomb shelters, but there was no influx of returning refugees.

"People are still scared," Haim Biton, 42, said, predicting things would not get back to normal soon. "You don't know what's going to happen."

"The city is still in a coma," said Shoshi Bar-Sheshet, the deputy manager of a mortgage bank. Getting back to normal "doesn't happen overnight," she said.

The next step in the peace effort — sending in a peacekeeping mission — appeared days away.

A Lebanese Cabinet minister told Europe-1 radio in France that Lebanese soldiers could move into the southern part of the country as early as Wednesday. In Paris, the French foreign ministry said a U.N. peacekeeping force should be mobilized "as quickly as possible."

The U.N. plan calls for a joint Lebanese-international force to move south of the Litani River, about 18 miles from the Israeli border, and stand as a buffer between Israel and Hezbollah militiamen.
"The Lebanese army is readying itself along the Litani to cross the river in 48 to 72 hours," said Lebanese Communications Minister Marwan Hamade.

A United Nations force that now has 2,000 observers in south Lebanon is due to be boosted to 15,000 soldiers, and Lebanon's army is to send in a 15,000-man contingent.

France and Italy, along with predominantly Muslim Turkey and Malaysia, have signaled willingness to contribute troops to the peacekeeping force, but consultations are needed on the force's makeup and mandate. Italian Foreign Minister Massimo D'Alema said Italy's troops could be ready within two weeks.

The French commander of the current U.N. force, Maj. Gen. Alain Pellegrini, said additional troops are needed quickly because the situation remains fragile. The region is "not safe from a provocation, or a stray act, that could undermine everything," he told The Associated Press.

Officials said Israeli troops would begin pulling out as soon as the Lebanese and international troops start deploying to the area. But it appeared Israeli forces were staying put for now. Some exhausted soldiers left early Monday and were being replaced by fresh troops.

Israel also would maintain its air and sea blockade of Lebanon to prevent arms from reaching Hezbollah guerrillas, Israeli army officials said.

The Israeli army reported scattered skirmishes with Hezbollah militiamen.

Officials said four militia fighters were killed in two clashes near the town of Hadatha when armed men approached Israeli troops three hours after the cease-fire began. Later clashes occurred near the towns of Farun and Shama, with one guerrilla killed in each, officials said.

"They were very close, they were armed, and they did pose a danger to the troops," said Dallal, the military spokesman. "We're going to shoot anybody who poses an imminent threat to the troops."

Both Hezbollah and Israel claimed they came out ahead in the conflict.

Hezbollah distributed leaflets congratulating Lebanon on its "big victory" and thanking citizens for their patience during the fighting, which began July 12 when guerrillas killed three Israeli soldiers and captured two others in a cross-border raid.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told Israel's parliament that the offensive eliminated the "state within a state" run by Hezbollah and restored Lebanon's sovereignty in the south. Peretz, the defense minister, said the war opened a window for negotiations with Lebanon and renewed talks with Palestinians.

But many Israelis were upset by the high casualties during 34 days of fighting, and Benjamin Netanyahu, head of the opposition Likud Party, told lawmakers there were many failures in the war. Olmert acknowledged there were "deficiencies" in the way the war was conducted.

"We will have to review ourselves in all the battles," Olmert said. "We won't sweep things under the carpet." Lebanon said nearly 791 people were killed in the fighting. Israel said 116 soldiers and 39 civilians died in combat or from Hezbollah rockets.

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[A.Rahman]

Isreal couldnt achieve its OBJ's, therefore it lost.

1) release of 2 soldiers.
2) destruction of hezbollah.

 

[TexasJohn]

Isreal couldnt achieve its OBJ's, therefore it lost.

1) release of 2 soldiers.
2) destruction of hezbollah.

Frankly, I did not forsee any other outcome. The IDF excelled itself in stupidity, this time around.

 

[Lahori paa jee]

Mashallah. What a great victory it has been. No army in the Middle East has stood this firmly against Israeli Army.

 

[A.Rahman]

Mashallah. What a great victory it has been. No army in the Middle East has stood this firmly against Israeli Army.

I agree, I think Hezbollah used right tactics to counter IDF, also they are not afraid of "death".

I guess that scared the IDF? Imagine if your enemy wants to destroy you and he is not scared of death.... Physcological warfare?....

 

[Neo]

Mashallah. What a great victory it has been. No army in the Middle East has stood this firmly against Israeli Army.

I donno what to think yet, the country's been pushed back into the dark ages, it will take decades to rebuild it.

 

[A.Rahman]

I donno what to think yet, the country's been pushed back in the dark ages, it will take decades to rebuild it.

victory for hezbollah, destruction for Lebonan?

 

[Officer of Engineers]

I suggest you gentlemen study the 1979 1st Sino-Vietnam War. The PLA achieved all their OPOBJs but were embarrassed by their dismal performance even though they laid waste to Northern Vietnam.

Five years later in the 1984 2nd Sino-Vietnam War, they exacted their vengence.

Hezbollah has been hurt and hurt bad. No one can stand and take that kind of punishment without being hurt bad. But the IsDF was outright arrogant and misread Hezbollah. Hezbollah left the field batterred and bloody but it left the field in order.

If there is a next time, the Israelis would not make the same mistake twice.

 

[parihaka]

If there is a next time, the Israelis would not make the same mistake twice.

I suspect if there is a next time, it will be on a scale that will make Hizbullah a minor sideshow.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

It will have to be. The only way to isolate Hezbollah before reducing it is to attack Bekka Valley.

 

[sigatoka]

It will have to be. The only way to isolate Hezbollah before reducing it is to attack Bekka Valley.

Do you mean a ground invasion pushing from the south? Or troops inserted from helicopters or just airbombing of the Bekka valley?

 

[Thunder]

The reason hezbollah won was becase they were fighting for the right cause, and like true muslims, they were not afraid to die. Yet the IDF on the other hand just made a excuse of captured soldiers and attaked. They had no such thing as morale or even a solid reaon to die? That's why the so called best force in the world was defeateed by a small group.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

Do you mean a ground invasion pushing from the south? Or troops inserted from helicopters or just airbombing of the Bekka valley?

I don't know. I'm not an Israeli corps commander. However, it's obvious that you have to deny the Hezbollah room to move and to my bellycrawler mind means a blocking force.