Henry Kissinger: We must destroy the Chongqing Model

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Heavily doubt the credibility of this, someone like Henry Kissinger won't be so overt.

 

[conworldus]

I am not counter all the twisted facts, man. When you use false data and wrong info, reasons become irrelevant. Just remember, 20 million people died from Mao's insane "Great Leap Forward" policy, and the country suffered immensely during the "cultural revolution". This past is gone. We are going forward and not looking back. Bo tried not just to fight justice and reason, but also history itself and he won't win.

By the way, Bo Xilai is a LOYAL JIANG soldier. He and Zhou Yongkang are Jiang's two most important henchmen. This is the core of 江系.

No lmao, Mao went into ZERO debt. China had ZERO debt for the first 30 years. How did he fund his programs? Taxes and printing money and then instating a price cap. Indeed, China's foreign exchange GREW throughout the 50's, 60's and 70's in the one currency that mattered - gold. China's gold reserves went from 0 to 400 tons in 1976.

Know who put us in the most debt? Your heroes Jiang Zemin and Zhu Rongji. You know who borrowed the most money (of course, not from their own people, from the rest of the country)? Shenzhen and Shanghai.

What's wrong with Greece? Why does every nation have to be Germany? China is much bigger than the EU in both area and population. There's gonna be Greeks, and there's gonna be Italians, and there's gonna be Germans. We in the interior care about quality of life, safety and recreation, and as long as there's enough jobs and money to go around, we're fine. In the past few years, immigration away from Chongqing has decreased dramatically. People vote with their feet.

He killed off private companies? Last I checked, private companies in Chongqing like Li Fan Motors are making record profits. It helps business when you kill off mafia bosses that shake you down for money all the time. And even if he did, why is it wrong to kill off low tech copying private companies that use the people as slaves? There is almost no innovation by private companies in China. The most high tech companies in China are all state owned, with the exception of 2: Huawei and ZTE, and even ZTE is state sponsored and was founded by the Ministry of Aerospace. He gave struggling state owned enterprises money so they could innovate and restructure, and they did. Wang Yang is also killing off low tech copying private companies in Guangdong right this minute.

Chongqing's economy grew at a record pace during his office, and that is undeniable. All the debt he incurred would've been paid back within 5 years.

60% of Shanghai is owned by the government, sorry. Its exactly like Singapore, with 4x lower wages.

And just one more thing: Bo Xilai was Minister of Commerce for 4 years. The guy that controls trade policy for the entire nation. Economic growth was up, debt was down, during his administration. He is no idiot and his track record proves it.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I am not counter all the twisted facts, man. When you use false data and wrong info, reasons become irrelevant. Just remember, 20 million people died from Mao's insane "Great Leap Forward" policy, and the country suffered immensely during the "cultural revolution". This past is gone. We are going forward and not looking back. Bo tried not just to fight justice and reason, but also history itself and he won't win.

By the way, Bo Xilai is a LOYAL JIANG soldier. He and Zhou Yongkang are Jiang's two most important henchmen. This is the core of 江系.

how am I using wrong info? Chongqing didn't expand its economy? When Bo Xilai was in office at the Ministry of Commerce 2004-2007, the economy contracted? Which of these is wrong?

Chongqing’s GDP growth rate ranks No.1 in China | The China Times

Bo Xilai's policies are NOTHING like Jiang's. He had to use Jiang to survive during his regime.

EDIT: Sorry, made a mistake. China's gold reserves did not start from 0.

http://www.infivision.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=113468

However they did increase dramatically from 1967 to 1977, doubling in that time period. That was precisely when gold prices were at a historical low, making it the best investment in the world at the time.

 

[masterofsea]

Don't post Chinese blogs as sources on PDF. Kissinger is one of the few remaining China-friendly legacies in the US. It's pathetic how little you know about Cold War history.

There is no such thing as friendship with no reason. It's pathetic how little you know about the greed of Jew.

 

[Hobo1]

This man should be tired for war crimes in Bangladesh.

 

[Solomon2]

I've read Kissinger's memoirs and transcripts of some conversations. True, this document has been translated back and forth but it doesn't have the Kissinger "feel" to it.

Furthermore, it is most unlike a realpolitik analyst like Kissinger to even bother analyzing a foreign nation's social elite structure in detail. I doubt he would even think in terms of "We must destroy the Chongqing model"; no, at most he would say something like, "this is the Chongqing model, and here are suggestions on how we can engage it".

So this document strikes me, if not as an outright forgery, then at least as a document incorrectly attributed to Henry Kissinger.

 

[jetti]

The Chinese will destroy the Chongqing model themselves. the first step is the scking of the chrismatic Bo Xilai.
Traditionally China will trip over itself when it does well. Lets wait and watch . Inshallah.

 

[WS-10 Engine]

The Chinese will destroy the Chongqing model themselves. the first step is the scking of the chrismatic Bo Xilai.
Traditionally China will trip over itself when it does well. Lets wait and watch . Inshallah.

China will never fall, it's our destiny to rule over this world. It's our birth right. we are destined to keep unstable 3rd world regimes like India from bullying. If the Indian regime steps outta line, we will destroy the Indian regime like in 1962.

 

[ahfatzia]

Huntsman is already out of the race. I don't know why we talk about him. His daughter should be banging Bo Guagua and that's the only part that's still interesting.

In short, we will remain in good terms with the United States, but also fight the US in various diplomatic skirmishes to maintain the balance of power. China must rise peacefully.

That's precisely what China has been doing. Now that Putin is back in power, China also has a very good mouth piece.

Both Russia and China have to stiff the US/NATO on every turn diplomatically if it is not fit both of their interests. That's the only language the west understand. If you kowtow to them, they'll treat you nice and patronizing you like they do to their own puppies.

 

[conworldus]

That's precisely what China has been doing. Now that Putin is back in power, China also has a very good mouth piece.

Both Russia and China have to stiff the US/NATO on every turn diplomatically if it is not fit both of their interests. That's the only language the west understand. If you kowtow to them, they'll treat you nice and patronizing you like they do to their own puppies.

Agreed. Strength gains your respect. Knowing how to restrain your power also gains you respect. It is all about moderation. This is why people like Bo, an extreme left radical, should be out.

 

[breeze]

What is the Chongqing Model?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Agreed. Strength gains your respect. Knowing how to restrain your power also gains you respect. It is all about moderation. This is why people like Bo, an extreme left radical, should be out.

Bo Xilai is the smartest extreme left radical I've ever seen.

You think the regime you worship restrains their power lmao ok, how was gassing and cutting open with scissors 4 million Vietnamese restraint? Get on their bad side, and weak enough, they will skin you alive and make a tablecloth out of it.

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

嘿嘿，博迷们，解释下什么是重庆模式？

 

[jetti]

China will never fall, it's our destiny to rule over this world. It's our birth right. we are destined to keep unstable 3rd world regimes like India from bullying. If the Indian regime steps outta line, we will destroy the Indian regime like in 1962.

Which Indian regime did you destroy in '62? If this is the level of history you know, no wonder you say that China will never fall.
Oh well, I wish you guys well.. but pride goes before a fall..

 

[nalandapride]

can any Chinese guy explain what is ChongQing model.