Henry Kissinger meets China’s defence minister in surprise visit to Beijing

[PakFactor]

Not sure what's more impressive, he's still able to travel or he's still alive.

Either way damn!

Besides age, he can still hold himself in a conversation as if he's young.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Henry Kissinger is 100 years old.

Hes a very old man.

 

[Menthol]

It seems the conflict between USA and China is very, very serious.

We already saw many important persons from USA visiting China, from influential persons to high-ranking officials.

I just want to say this crisis is bigger than what we public thought, just because the media is downplaying it, it doesn't mean it's just a small matter.

A big event can be a small event or even not exist just because the media is half-heartened publish it to the public, the same with small event can be spectacular just because the media is hugely and widely report it.

I hope the relationship between USA and China will be fine.

But USA is well known for betraying its own promises and backstabbing friends who helped them, just because of the so-called 'politics' and 'being smart'.

China is snubbing USA is not a result of just a single night case, but decades of experience of be friendly toward USA, of being betrayed and backstabbed over and over again.

This time China is very tired over USA.

Just look at USA media report on China, and you know it.

 

[OIO]

Military high profile communications are secret, always, we dont know if that is truth or not.

But we know all Russian energy market is changed from EU to China thanks to USA twisted plans.

So USA is de facto the best friend ever of China.

This is the contradiction between the short-term strategy and the long-term strategy of the United States. The purpose of the United States is not to benefit China.

 

[BHAN85]

This is the contradiction between the short-term strategy and the long-term strategy of the United States. The purpose of the United States is not to benefit China.

Ukraine war facts are: USA is giving Russian energy resources from EU to China.

It's simple, USA empire is coming to end, so they first drop support to empire provinces (EU) and try to make deals and favor the new empire (China).

EU corrupt puppets is overreacting to Ukraine war under American orders. USA is using their influence to fck the EU, using Ukraine as excuse.

Remember Prague Spring and how nobody gave a shit about it in West Europe.

 

[OIO]

Ukraine war facts are: USA is giving Russian energy resources from EU to China.

It's simple, USA empire is coming to end, so they first drop support to empire provinces (EU) and try to make deals and favor the new empire (China).

EU corrupt puppets is overreacting to Ukraine war under American orders. USA is using their influence to fck the EU, using Ukraine as excuse.

Remember Prague Spring and how nobody gave a shit about it in West Europe.

Europe is fully and deeply controlled by the United States, and China supports the independence of the EU.

 

[BHAN85]

Europe is fully and deeply controlled by the United States, and China supports the independence of the EU.

It's not a good thing from China interests point of view.

The best for China interests is let EU sinking itself under USA orders and changing energy suppliers from Russia to USA, then Russia energy market is now for China.

The question is, is a coincidence USA behavior favoring China and damaging EU? Some people here says yes, and that's a nonsense, it must be something well pacted between USA and China.

 

[Communism]

It's not a good thing from China interests point of view.

The best for China interests is let EU sinking itself under USA orders and changing energy suppliers from Russia to USA, then Russia energy market is now for China.

The question is, is a coincidence USA behavior favoring China and damaging EU? Some people here says yes, and that's a nonsense, it must be something well pacted between USA and China.

I don't think you realize that the U.S.'s ultimate goal is to destroy European manufacturing to make sure that China does not have Europe as an alternative to trade with anymore, therefore making sure that China is even more dependent on U.S. trade.


Yes, that's right.


The U.S. is so obsessed with kneecapping China that the U.S. would rather that Europe burn to the ground simply so that Europe would no longer be able to significantly trade with China.


Your assessment of the situation is totally backwards.

 

[BHAN85]

I don't think you realize that the U.S.'s ultimate goal is to destroy European manufacturing to make sure that China does not have Europe as an alternative to trade with anymore, therefore making sure that China is even more dependent on U.S. trade.


Yes, that's right.


The U.S. is so obsessed with kneecapping China that the U.S. would rather that Europe burn to the ground simply so that Europe would no longer be able to significantly trade with China.


Your assessment of the situation is totally backwards.

It's EU who are dependent on US energy.

USA could sell LNG to China, but they make EU buy to them and let Russia gas and oil free to be bought by China.

 

[Communism]

It's EU who are dependent on US energy.

USA could sell LNG to China, but they make EU buy to them and let Russia gas and oil free to be bought by China.

You are simply not understanding that the U.S.'s power is not absolute.


The U.S. cannot realistically stop Russia from trading with China in energy or natural resources without sending the world prices for those commodities into hyperinflation.


The U.S. is doing what it can do, which is to make sure that the E.U. has as little independence from U.S. dictates as possible, for the main purpose of being able to count on the E.U. when the U.S. decides to go bait a war with China.

 

[BHAN85]

You are simply not understanding that the U.S.'s power is not absolute.


The U.S. cannot realistically stop Russia from trading with China in energy or natural resources without sending the world prices for those commodities into hyperinflation.


The U.S. is doing what it can do, which is to make sure that the E.U. has as little independence from U.S. dictates as possible, for the main purpose of being able to count on the E.U. when the U.S. decides to go bait a war with China.

Of course USA can, they just could ignore Ukraine war, like they ignored Prague Spring in 1968.

Or they could involved, but without EU breaking energy deals with Russia, and without blowing up Nordstream pipes .

Russia prefers sell gas and oil to EU than China, but it's EU who broke up encouraged by USA selling LNG to EU.

 

[Communism]

Of course USA can, they just could ignore Ukraine war, like they ignored Prague Spring in 1968.

Or they could involved, but without EU breaking energy deals with Russia, and without blowing up Nordstream pipes .

Russia prefers sell gas and oil to EU than China, but it's EU who broke up encouraged by USA selling LNG to EU.

The U.S. needs to destroy Russia and the E.U. before they can get to the main dish of China.


China relies on trade with the world, but the U.S. only has control of a relatively small portion of that trade.


With the Destruction of Russia and the E.U., the U.S. hopes to destroy China's main economic lifelines.


The U.S. is also working on destroying the developing world in general, by raising interest rates as fast as possible to destroy developing economies, while also spearheading the initiative to get all developing countries to selectively default on Chinese debt to make sure that those countries will not develop in a way that favors China.


Trump's strategy to counter the BRI was to discourage countries from taking part and doing propaganda.


Biden's strategy to counter BRI is to keep the propaganda up, but to try to get all countries to selectively default on Chinese loans so that they can keep iron control of the role, pace, and alignment of development in the developing countries.

 

[BHAN85]

The U.S. needs to destroy Russia and the E.U. before they can get to the main dish of China.


China relies on trade with the world, but the U.S. only has control of a relatively small portion of that trade.


With the Destruction of Russia and the E.U., the U.S. hopes to destroy China's main economic lifelines.


The U.S. is also working on destroying the developing world in general, by raising interest rates as fast as possible to destroy developing economies, while also spearheading the initiative to get all developing countries to selectively default on Chinese debt to make sure that those countries will not develop in a way that favors China.


Trump's strategy to counter the BRI was to discourage countries from taking part and doing propaganda.


Biden's strategy to counter BRI is to keep the propaganda up, but to try to get all countries to selectively default on Chinese loans so that they can keep iron control of the role, pace, and alignment of development in the developing countries.

Those are opinions.

But facts is:
-Ukraine war is beneficing China greatly. All Russia market for them. And EU fcked up depending on USA lng that will not last so long like Russia energy.

You can theorize about USA doesnt want to favor China, but the fact is: They are favoring China.

Sinoamerican Empire

I think, after the two main challeges (covid and ukraine war) to world order several years ago, it's time to remember a 2015 George Soros article: George Soros June 2015: https://www.georgesoros.com/2015/06/16/a-partnership-with-china-to-avoid-world-war/ Thinking coldly: Who's the main...

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[Communism]

Those are opinions.

But facts is:
-Ukraine war is beneficing China greatly. All Russia market for them. And EU fcked up depending on USA lng that will not last so long like Russia energy.

You can theorize about USA doesnt want to favor China, but the fact is: They are favoring China.

Sinoamerican Empire

I think, after the two main challeges (covid and ukraine war) to world order several years ago, it's time to remember a 2015 George Soros article: George Soros June 2015: https://www.georgesoros.com/2015/06/16/a-partnership-with-china-to-avoid-world-war/ Thinking coldly: Who's the main...

defence.pk

The U.S. baiting Russia into escalation in Ukraine is the main reason for the E.U. being willing to sacrifice their trade relations with China.


The ASML DUV ban is very clearly due to the change in mood in the E.U. due to the conflict.


Biden is much more capable of cajoling the U.S. vassals into cutting off their trade with China than Trump.


You clearly are not aware of the level of China hysteria in the U.S.


Literally every single issue in the U.S. has the prime topic being about China.


Electric Vehicle industry Discussion? CHYNA.


Renewable Industry Discussion? CHYNA.


Technology Industry Discussion? CHYNA.


Agriculture Industry Discussion? CHYNA.


Conflict in Ukraine Discussion? CHYNA.


Discussions about why the U.S. is so interested in getting involved in a war in Europe? CHYNA.


Inflation in the U.S. Discussion? CHYNA.


Climate Change Discussion? CHYNA.


Jones Act Discussion? CHYNA.


Middle East Discussion? CHYNA.


India Discussion? CHYNA.


Africa Discussion? CHYNA.


Manufacturing Industry Discussion? CHYNA.


Government funded research and development initiatives Discussion? CHYNA.


Fed Interest Rate Discussions? CHYNA.


Space initiatives Discussions? CHYNA.


European Trade Relations Discussions? CHYNA.


If you have been watching any U.S. T.V. commentary since the Trump Trade war, you might have figured out that literally every single thing the U.S. does and forces U.S. vassals to do is 100% based on how it will hinder/stop/regress Chinese development.

 

[BHAN85]

The U.S. baiting Russia into escalation in Ukraine is the main reason for the E.U. being willing to sacrifice their trade relations with China.


The ASML DUV ban is very clearly due to the change in mood in the E.U. due to the conflict.


Biden is much more capable of cajoling the U.S. vassals into cutting off their trade with China than Trump.


You clearly are not aware of the level of China hysteria in the U.S.


Literally every single issue in the U.S. has the prime topic being about China.


Electric Vehicle industry Discussion? CHYNA.


Renewable Industry Discussion? CHYNA.


Technology Industry Discussion? CHYNA.


Agriculture Industry Discussion? CHYNA.


Conflict in Ukraine Discussion? CHYNA.


Discussions about why the U.S. is so interested in getting involved in a war in Europe? CHYNA.


Inflation in the U.S. Discussion? CHYNA.


Climate Change Discussion? CHYNA.


Jones Act Discussion? CHYNA.


Middle East Discussion? CHYNA.


India Discussion? CHYNA.


Africa Discussion? CHYNA.


Manufacturing Industry Discussion? CHYNA.


Government funded research and development initiatives Discussion? CHYNA.


Fed Interest Rate Discussions? CHYNA.


Space initiatives Discussions? CHYNA.


European Trade Relations Discussions? CHYNA.


If you have been watching any U.S. T.V. commentary since the Trump Trade war, you might have figured out that literally every single thing the U.S. does and forces U.S. vassals to do is 100% based on how it will hinder/stop/regress Chinese development.

I think break energy deals between EU and Russia is a real big thing.

We can't see how much big now, because EU keeps consuming energy from another sources.

But when the other sources, like USA shale gas, will run out, then we'll see how big is and how different from any other measures.