Helmand despatch: 'Pakistan is the true enemy'

[RescueRanger]

Two Things:

1. Khuda ka khof karo, just look at what our nation is going through. Do we really have time for all this Tom Clancy nonsense.
2. Where is this EVIDENCE, put up or SHUT UP!

Bloody Vultures.

 

[Malik Usman]

Telegraph.co.uk

The shadow of Pakistan hangs over British-led efforts to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan's Helmand Province, reports Nick Meo in Nad-e-Ali

Published: 6:00AM BST 01 Aug 2010

The district governor of Nad-e-Ali, Habibullah Shamalany, 58, with Britsh commanders in the Lashkar Gah district

This is the same thing when we say that India is involving in our Province Balochistan and giving money and training to terrorist organizations, India always dendied and ask for Proof..

Now if british are saying against Pakistan the Indian are Shacking their heads and just saying you are right me lord........those are same british were used to write on their clubs before partition that "Indians and Dogs are not Allowed".

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pakistan trains them,funds them,arms thems abd leads them?
Wow man we barely have money to help construction in our effected area while we have lost 30000 people and around 3000 soldier and 80 billion $$ and flushed our booming economy... and while arms n med full trucks comming from afghanistan are caught and so r the letter of afghan governers asking ttp to seperate from Pakistan become a part of astan,

But hell we r EVIL.

GOD BLESS ARMY N ISI!

 

[Ahmad]

here is the afghan claim again that everything is Pakistan's fault. although they admit that the taliban recruit their children from villages but it is the evil Pakistani's who send them back to fight the afghans.
Then Pakistan controls the taliban but at sometime they dont when it comes to negations but they start doing it again.
All this has been going on in afghanistan for a long period of time the reason why they hate Pakistan because they believe that we are occupying their land which is all of KP and Baluchistan.
if they hate us so much then why do so many of them come to Pakistan to trade and educate their children and work.

Not everybody believes that, only those people have this belief that pakistan consider them their allies in Afghanistan. Absolute majority of Afghanistan dont have that belief.

 

[RescueRanger]

^^ Malik, its all and ends to a means... Don't worry to much about it, its expected. Shame they have to hype it soo much considering all the current developments within the country.

Very clever, creating a rift within the civil and military... Then people wonder why DEMO CRAZY is so weak in our country.

 

[Frankenstein]

If the whole world think like that, then why the hell are we even wasting our blood to fight WoT, Musharaf made it clear that when Taliban threat finishes in Afghanistan it will finish in Pakistan aswel

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Michael Semple, who worked with the Afghan government, governors and tribal leaders, has penned a couple of articles that deal very well with the preposterous allegations by the Afghan government and others, and how information is distorted and manipulated to malign Pakistan and deliberately foster an anti-Pakistan sentiment amongst Afghans. Here are a couple of excerpts:

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If you want to avoid doing harm and ultimately achieve success in Afghanistan you need to develop sources of information that cut out these fabricators. You also need to avoid chasing after targets that an interested party introduces you to as the enemy. This works on the strategic level as well as the tactical level. The Taliban featured so prominently in the demonology of the foreigners who intervened in Afghanistan not just because they had sheltered Al Qaida which attacked the United States. The Taliban also became the enemy because many Afghans portrayed them to the foreigners as the enemy. Bringing an end to the insurgency may well involve rehabilitating quite a few figures who were first demonised in the kinds of intelligence reports which we have all been reading over the past couple of days.

* Michael Semple is a Fellow at the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy, Harvard Kennedy School and former deputy to the EU mission in Afghanistan.

Wikileaks Afghanistan: leaks must be treated with caution - Telegraph

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[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Two Things:

1. Khuda ka khof karo, just look at what our nation is going through. Do we really have time for all this Tom Clancy nonsense.
2. Where is this EVIDENCE, put up or SHUT UP!

Bloody Vultures.

Michael Semple'a articles based on years of working with the GoA at various levels does shed some insight into why the Afghans think the way they do.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

"We do encounter some evidence of Pakistani involvement in the insurgency in Helmand," said Colonel Jopp.

rather weak statement by the brit commander.

And that 'some evidence' is likely along the lines of the fabricated intel provided by the Afghans reported in wikileaks.

 

[Icarus]

OK...............So let me get this straight..........We take care of 5 million refugees, give them limitless access to sea, allow them to trade with our arch rival India on our soil, send a large portion of our flour to Afghanistan, give them tax concessions, invest 500 million dollars annually there and then we send talibs there ?
Sounds kind of £ucked up(pardon me). These guys are so thankless.
There are three reasons why Afghanistan is unable to sustain itself:
1) The people pledge loyalty to their feudal lords and then to Afghanistan.
2) The people never accept that what happened to Afghanistan was their fault coupled with fate, they always have to blame it on us, heck soon they will declare that Pakistan helped and trained the soviets as well !
3) As if they don't have enough problems already, they lay claim to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan and southern Punjab ! They want to go and make Pukhtunistan even when Afghanistan is under US control !
Ahmed, why aren't there more sane Afghans like you ? You are so balanced and simple...............

 

[karan.1970]

This is the same thing when we say that India is involving in our Province Balochistan and giving money and training to terrorist organizations, India always dendied and ask for Proof..

Now if british are saying against Pakistan the Indian are Shacking their heads and just saying you are right me lord........those are same british were used to write on their clubs before partition that "Indians and Dogs are not Allowed".

Yup.. You guys were included in the reference to India at that time.

And its not the same as you saying stuff about India in Balochistan. Blame and counter blame keeps on going between India and Pakistan.. Nothing new.. However now another neighbour of yours is blaming you for the same thing that India has been blaming you for quite some time. And a 3rd country like UK is agreeing to that.. Kind of a different ball park.. Dont you think..?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

However now another neighbour of yours is blaming you for the same thing that India has been blaming you for quite some time. And a 3rd country like UK is agreeing to that.. Kind of a different ball park.. Dont you think..?

That is incorrect - Afghan hostility towards Pakistan is as old as Indian hostility, given that Afghanistan refused to accept Pakistan in 1947, and actively supported and sheltered both Baluch and Pashtun insurgents and claimed Pakistani territory.

 

[karan.1970]

If the whole world think like that, then why the hell are we even wasting our blood to fight WoT, Musharaf made it clear that when Taliban threat finishes in Afghanistan it will finish in Pakistan aswel

Because if you dont finish the menace in your NWFP area, it will finish you. Its actually your war in which USA is helping you and not the other way round like most members on this forum like to believe. USA can pack their bags and leave when they want and the only thing they lose is a bit of ego. Where will Pakistan go?? The problem is right inside your country...

 

[prototype]

That is incorrect - Afghan hostility towards Pakistan is as old as Indian hostility, given that Afghanistan refused to accept Pakistan in 1947, and actively supported and sheltered both Baluch and Pashtun insurgents and claimed Pakistani territory.

and what Iran,who also not share a good relation with u,and why suddenly U.K went blatant against u,just like Karan said,seems like a different ball game

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

and what Iran,who also not share a good relation with u,and why suddenly U.K went blatant against u,just like Karan said,seems like a different ball game

What does that have to do with my point about Afghanistan and this thread?