Helicopters Fire on Rohingya Refugees

[alaungphaya]

A total of 62 people have been killed in Myanmar's riot-hit Rakhine state from May 28 to June 21, a local government official told the local press media Thursday.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/NEWS/tabi...Myanmars-riot-hit-Rakhine-state-official.aspx


The number of deaths now is 62 and mostly likely will increase as days go on. If situations get out of hand things can deteriorate very bad.

Yes, and if it does, then the army will probably go in and restore order. The way you and others have been portraying things, it sounds like there is a systemic genocide of Rohingyas. The reality is that two groups of people who don't like each other are fighting and causing sh*t. My own analysis is that I'm truly amazed the army hasn't gone in. If this were 1992 instead of 2012, you can be assured the army would have cracked down on it. The last thing they like is public disorder.

 

[TopCat]

Absolutely, if we can turn the Rakhines against Bamar (may be we should call them Bummer from now on, as they really deserve that name), that will be excellent. May be we can use some of our own Rakhines to infiltrate and make this happen.

I am opposed to arming Rohingya. Instead we should ally with and provide moral support for all non-Bamar ethnic groups:

- Kachin
- Karen
- Mon
- Shan
- Rakhine et al

Thailand, USA and rest of ASEAN may also help to provide material support.

As for ULFA, great point. Unfortunately that support vaporized lately.

I dont think we should mend with other groups which we will have little control and may irritate the bordering countries. We should concentrate more on Rakhaine community and arm them to teeth. In the meantime ask Rohiyngias to step back and provide support to Rakhaine community. We can very well use our own Rakhaine community to forge the bridge.

Yes, and if it does, then the army will probably go in and restore order. The way you and others have been portraying things, it sounds like there is a systemic genocide of Rohingyas. The reality is that two groups of people who don't like each other are fighting and causing sh*t. My own analysis is that I'm truly amazed the army hasn't gone in. If this were 1992 instead of 2012, you can be assured the army would have cracked down on it. The last thing they like is public disorder.

Look man.. it is a bit different scenario this time and your credibility had ruined long before this incidence. Thousands of people are languishing in many countries' refugee camp and you are not willing to take them back which puts you as par with Israel. Your policy did not change a bit. You are still discriminating Rohingiyas who have no access to govt services. When a group is subject state sanction then they are prone to other discrimination from their neighbor and never get the govt protection. You are still in square one. So nobody trust you.

 

[alaungphaya]

I dont think we should mend with other groups which we will have little control and may irritate the bordering countries. We should concentrate more on Rakhaine community and arm them to teeth. In the meantime ask Rohiyngias to step back and provide support to Rakhaine community. We can very well use our own Rakhaine community to forge the bridge.

Wow. You think Yakhine would support bingala against the Burmese?

Look man.. it is a bit different scenario this time and your credibility had ruined long before this incidence. Thousands of people are languishing in many countries' refugee camp and you are not willing to take them back which puts you as par with Israel. Your policy did not change a bit. You are still discriminating Rohingiyas who have no access to govt services. When a group is subject state sanction then they are prone to other discrimination from their neighbor and never get the govt protection. You are still in square one. So nobody trust you.

I think you'll find the international community is in our corner this time.

 

[kalu_miah]

I dont think we should mend with other groups which we will have little control and may irritate the bordering countries. We should concentrate more on Rakhaine community and arm them to teeth. In the meantime ask Rohiyngias to step back and provide support to Rakhaine community. We can very well use our own Rakhaine community to forge the bridge.

Sounds good. As I said we will only provide "moral" support to all oppressed minorities and it will be up to USA/West/ASEAN together with neighbor/bordering countries to provide support for each ethnic groups.

As I mentioned in another thread, this whole thing could become a part of the new Asian Pivot policy of the US:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...roids-using-insurgency-geopolitical-tool.html

 

[TopCat]

Wow. You think Yakhine would support bingala against the Burmese?

They will be after big catch that time. Bengalis are not their enemy to start with.

I think you'll find the international community is in our corner this time.

Ya seems like you are in a honeymoon.. we will see. We know how it goes... LOL

 

[ahfatzia]

Yes, and if it does, then the army will probably go in and restore order. The way you and others have been portraying things, it sounds like there is a systemic genocide of Rohingyas. The reality is that two groups of people who don't like each other are fighting and causing sh*t. My own analysis is that I'm truly amazed the army hasn't gone in. If this were 1992 instead of 2012, you can be assured the army would have cracked down on it. The last thing they like is public disorder.

If the army didn't step in that's a problem in itself and I don't know what are they waiting for because the killing can only get worst. Very soon it'll reach a point of no return and becomes wholesale massacre. The Government of Myanmar must take all responsibilities to protect all her minorities, no 2 ways about it.

 

[alaungphaya]

If the army didn't step in that's a problem in itself and I don't know what are they waiting for because the killing can only get worst. Very soon it'll reach a point of no return and becomes wholesale massacre. The Government of Myanmar must take all responsibilities to protect all her minorities, no 2 ways about it.

No. It's far from the problem. Inviting the Burmese Army to bring peace is like trying to douse a fire by pouring petrol on it. This is not a wholesale massacre and I don't know why people are trying to wish it were.

A long term resolution cannot come about without Bangladesh's participation.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Very bad news.
United Nation is sleeping.
Firing on children is unacceptable.

 

[asad71]

You seem to have a clear political agenda.

1. The census you refer to was a half-baked effort limited within the Burman heartland - the seven civil divisions where the Junta has some writ. In the seven surrounding states there has always been insurgencies where the writ of Burma never was established. Therefore, there has never been any census in Arakan and the other six states.

2. The other points are observations which you are at liberty to make.

 

[ahfatzia]

No. It's far from the problem. Inviting the Burmese Army to bring peace is like trying to douse a fire by pouring petrol on it. This is not a wholesale massacre and I don't know why people are trying to wish it were.

A long term resolution cannot come about without Bangladesh's participation.

It's not a wholesale massacre yet but given 2 sides are in hostile struggles and tempers can only flare. There is nothing wrong by placing the army in between the 2 groups as a physical barrier to separate them and hold that position as long a possible until tempers ease.

If Myanmar Government can do that problems will probably be solved and that can too give her more credibility and sincerity to find solutions with other dissident ethnic groups. In another word the government must take actions instead watching the fire from the top of the mountain as you insinuated.

When things cool down we'll bring all parties to the table.

 

[alaungphaya]

1. The census you refer to was a half-baked effort limited within the Burman heartland - the seven civil divisions where the Junta has some writ. In the seven surrounding states there has always been insurgencies where the writ of Burma never was established. Therefore, there has never been any census in Arakan and the other six states.

2. The other points are observations which you are at liberty to make.

- Well then, you can wait until the 2014 census.

- Come on. There's no shame in it. If you really live in Canada, you're not alone are you? There are plenty of people like you from Myanmar doing exactly the same thing you're doing in Canada. You are the only one here who does not strike me as just another guy on the internet.

It's not a wholesale massacre yet but given 2 sides are in hostile struggles and tempers can only flare. There is nothing wrong by placing the army in between the 2 groups as a physical barrier to separate them and hold that position as long a possible until tempers ease.

If Myanmar Government can do that problems will probably be solved and that can too give her more credibility and sincerity to find solutions with other dissident ethnic groups. In another word the government must take actions instead watching the fire from the top of the mountain as you insinuated.

When things cool down we'll bring all parties to the table.

You are one of the few who actually wants the Tatmadaw to intervene. Police and riot police are sufficient. The last thing anyone wants is for a return to the days when the army are deployed to maintain the peace. Believe me when I say the Burmese army are the last people you would want in the world to maintain peace.

 

[ahfatzia]

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You are one of the few who actually wants the Tatmadaw to intervene. Police and riot police are sufficient. The last thing anyone wants is for a return to the days when the army are deployed to maintain the peace. Believe me when I say the Burmese army are the last people you would want in the world to maintain peace.

That bad huh? Well I sincerely hope the police can do their jobs fairly and separate the two groups from hurting each other further because the responsibilities lie on Myanmar Government first and foremost.

 

[ahfatzia]

More than 80 people have been killed in a wave of communal violence in western Myanmar this month, a government official said Thursday, as local people said they still feared for their lives.

More than 80 dead in Myanmar unrest - Channel NewsAsia

Death tolls are rising every day and no ends in sight.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

80 killed and the ******* BBC and those western sources dont even make mention of it

 

[rubyjackass]

Our problem with our minorities is a big problem and I hate the junta for how they have treated some of them. But the difference is that that is ACTUALLY an internal matter. They are Myanmar citizens and not through conquest but through the Panglong Treaty signed in 1947.

Thanks for the info buddy. Can you tell us why Rohingyas had no representation in Panglong conferences?

80 killed and the ******* BBC and those western sources dont even make mention of it

You did not even open those 'western sources' and claim that they don't make a mention of it.