Heir of IVC, India or Pakistan ?

[Joe Shearer]

True...so true; besides everyone knows that I and I alone am the true heir of the IVC !

Mohenjodaro is an ancient Indic word meaning Armstrongville !

Where WERE you while they were pillaging your heritage?

 

[Maira La]

So in your OPINION what happened after the IVC faded away

what came after IVC

My or anyone else's opinion matters not. Your own Historians have been unable to find a definitive link between IVC and Vedic people. Besides little is known about the origins of the Vedic people themselves, for any layman to draw conclusions like you did.

 

[Maira La]

North Indus

This map is interesting. Italy and the Balkans stand out from the rest of Europe. @MarkusS, maybe @MANSTEIN was right about the 'Arab connection'. ;p

 

[Joe Shearer]

My or anyone else's opinion matters not. Your own Historians have been unable to find a definitive link between IVC and Vedic people. Besides little is known about the origins of the Vedic people themselves, for any layman to draw conclusions like you did.

Aha, but how about other links, eh?

 

[Maira La]

Aha, but how about other links, eh?

I can sense you know a lot about this topic that you'd like to share. :p

 

[my2cents]

isnt India a country for hindutva for millions of years? yeah, subcontinent on name of indus valley which is 95% in Pakistan.. you have dozens of rivers which completely flowing in ganga valley but you chose a river for name of your country which flow 95% in Pakistan? are those rivers inferior to indus which completely flows in India?



approx. 95% Indus flows in Pakistan.. not in gangaland, yet ganga valley chose name Indus? why not ganga, ganges, which completely flows in India? Pakistan have many rivers not one..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rivers_of_Pakistan

It was the Iranians who referred to our people has Hindus(for Sindhu river) and later greeks who coined the term indoi for people living in our subcontinent. In fact this term was carried to its extremities all way to Indonesia(Indus + islands).

 

[Soulspeek]

Let me make it easy for you. There was a big mango tree (the Indian Subcontinent). During thunderstorm, a branch fell off to the ground (Pakistan, after partition).

To any bystander, the tree would still be called a mango tree (India). The smaller branch that fell off, could be called anything. Most people would just call it wood. The funny thing is, the branch insists on calling itself Orange but also believes that it was originally mango tree.

This is the state of Pakistan now.

i know, but i chose to write ganga valley, 2nd, i know that India have many rivers but i though ganga is most holiest to you bhartis so you must name your country on that why chose a name of river which flows 95% in Pakistan, 2% in China and only 3% in India? something is fishy?? NO ??



I know you have many river, no need to type it again and again, what i meant was ganga is holiest among them for you and ur major population centers are in ganga basin/valley so its river then others? NO? also largest river of Bharat..



What wrong have ganga done to you guys it flows 100% in ur country, supply more water to you, you worship her but dont want to name your country on you major river while Indus only flow 3% in India while 95% in Pakistan 2% in China.. yet you want to name your country on Indus? waise bhi no one become Alexander the great by naming himself Alexander.. same is your story.. you guys have inferiority complex hence you left bharat. gangaland and chose Indus... despite Pakistan own 95% of it...




India = Land of Indus.. not gangaland.. so yes IVC is very Indian..

Map of land of Indus

35% ehh.... So you are accepting that Gilgit Baltistan were not part of Pakistan but are part of Kashmir. Thanks for your confirmation.

GB, Azad Kashmir, Ladhak, Jammu, Kashmir valley make whole jammu Kashmir which is disputed land.. and we own 35% of it.. above all
even if Kashmir chose to remain independent we will not change the name bcoz it also means land of pure and no one can lay claim on name Pakistan..



and they can also claim that they were ivc people not gangalander?

 

[sherin616]

What op doing is like
using dupatta to book bus seat
we have ti consider old civilization as an old nation which has nothing similar to countries now

 

[Max]

It was the Iranians who referred to our people has Hindus(for Sindhu river) and later greeks who coined the term indoi for people living in our subcontinent.

wrong. the term was used for people who used to live on bank of river indus not for whole subcontinent..

35% ehh.... So you are accepting that Gilgit Baltistan were not part of Pakistan but are part of Kashmir. Thanks for your confirmation.

GB is part of dispute thats why it still is not part of Pakistan according to Pakistani constitution.. if its not part of Kashmir then why dont Pakistan govt accept it as part of Pakistan?????????

Let me make it easy for you. There was a big mango tree (the Indian Subcontinent). During thunderstorm, a branch fell off to the ground (Pakistan, after partition).

No for hindutva kids India is not subcontinent but a country of which Pakistan , Nepal and Bangladesh were always used to be part for trillions of years? the country was ruled by one ruler and it was never divided for gazillion of years? No? in short they dont accept that there is anything call Indian subcontinent.

so you believe like Pakistani, Bangladeshis, Nepalis, Sri Lankan, who believe subcontinent is a region who was always divided between different states or empires for example different empires was ruling Indian subcontinent region in Late Medieval era. Mughal, Maratha, Rajput dynasties were ruling subcontinent at same time.. same happen after Mughals when Durrani was ruling Pakistan, and rest was under dozens of rulers..Bangal was used to be ruled by its own Sultans. so does nepal had its own kingdom..

 

[Soulspeek]

Who told you that Hindus believed India to be a country (politically). All of us, irrespective of religion, believe that India was and is a part of land that is one culturally. It consisted of many Kingdoms, but were always one culturally.

India was not just a land on the banks of Indus. India was all land on the east of Indus. VascodaGama and Colombus set sail all around the world to look for India, the land of untold gold, elephants and spices. What Elephants, Spices etc did your land produce? For all intents and purpose, India was the land below Himalayas, with Indus as its western borders and Indian Ocean on its south.

Your military Jarnails dont agree with your view that GB is part of Kashmir. In the eyes of your hukumat, Azad Kashmir is only that sliver of land bordering Indian Kashmir.

wrong. the term was used for people who used to live on bank of river indus not for whole subcontinent..



GB is part of dispute thats why it still is not part of Pakistan according to Pakistani constitution.. if its not part of Kashmir then why dont Pakistan govt accept it as part of Pakistan?????????



No for hindutva kids India is not subcontinent but a country of which Pakistan , Nepal and Bangladesh were always used to be part for trillions of years? the country was ruled by one ruler and it was never divided for gazillion of years? No? in short they dont accept that there is anything call Indian subcontinent.

so you believe like Pakistani, Bangladeshis, Nepalis, Sri Lankan, who believe subcontinent is a region who was always divided between different states or empires for example different empires was ruling Indian subcontinent region in Late Medieval era. Mughal, Maratha, Rajput dynasties were ruling subcontinent at same time.. same happen after Mughals when Durrani was ruling Pakistan, and rest was under dozens of rulers..Bangal was used to be ruled by its own Sultans. so does nepal had its own kingdom..

 

[Max]

Who told you that Hindus believed India to be a country (politically). All of us, irrespective of religion, believe that India was and is a part of land that is one culturally. It consisted of many Kingdoms, but were always one culturally.

lol.. dozens of clowns with Indian flag here daily tell us PDFers that we are just 60 years old, while their country India is oldest state in the world while its as old as Pakistan.. India is regional name as Asia, India just opted this name to hijacke history of whole subcontinent..

India was not just a land on the banks of India. India was all land on the east of Indus. VascodaGama and Colombus set sail all around the world to look for India, the land of untold gold, elephants and spices. What Elephants, Spices etc did your land produce?

lol, Vasco da gama and coulombs are not ancient people.. they were here in medieval era when lodhis were ruling part of subcontinent along with rajputs , ancient Greeks and Persian used Hindu, Indic and Hindi word for people living on bank of river Indus both in east and west , not for gangalanders...

India was the land below Himalayas, with Indus as its western borders and Indian Ocean on its south.

India as whole (Subcontinent) is new thing, in ancient world the word was only used for what is now Pakistan... invaders especially Arabs extended this name to gangaland/ ganga jumna valley, Afghan, Turk did the same so does brits, before Muslim invasion Hind was only Land of river indus..

 

[Zibago]

Heir of IVC is

 

[Joe Shearer]

I can sense you know a lot about this topic that you'd like to share. :p

To tell you the truth, the more I read about this issue, and the connected AIT/OOI controversy, the more my mind seems to be converging towards a particular broad understanding that covers all the issues that we have discussed, here and elsewhere. I do not know if it is ready for publication; it is certainly ready for discussion, but only when I have a good 'net connection. The unspeakable creature who does our system admin. has buggered up our wire connection, and I am doing all this on a VERY slow wireless connection - no fun at all.

Heir of IVC is

@Armstrong looks like this??????

@Armstrong tell me it isn't true.

 

[Soulspeek]

Obviously, the history taught in your schools is wayy different from the history taught in our schools. Not so surprisingly, whole world believes in our version.

I can bet that most Indians here on PDF believe in the spirit of Indian culture. Not as a nation with political boundary but as a nation tied together by common culture, spirituality and morals. Sometimes there were huge empires spanning whole of present India+Pakistan+Afghanistan.... Sometimes there were petty kindgoms but all believed in the concept of 'BharatVarsha'.

Give me names of members who dont believe in it. I bet you wont find any Indian who would disagree with me.

As for Vasco DaGama and others, its not that they suddenly heard about India and decided to come. They must have heard ancient stories about India from their elders.

Its your idiocy if you believe that nobody heard about India in ancient world.

lol.. dozens of clowns with Indian flag here daily tell us PDFers that we are just 60 years old, while their country India is oldest state in the world while its as old as Pakistan.. India is regional name as Asia, India just opted this name to hijacke history of whole subcontinent..



lol, Vasco da gama and coulombs are not ancient people.. they were here in medieval era when lodhis were ruling part of subcontinent along with rajputs , ancient Greeks and Persian used Hindu, Indic and Hindi word for people living on bank of river Indus both in east and west , not for gangalanders...



India as whole (Subcontinent) is new thing, in ancient world the word was only used for what is now Pakistan... invaders especially Arabs extended this name to gangaland/ ganga jumna valley, Afghan, Turk did the same so does brits, before Muslim invasion Hind was only Land of river indus..

 

[Joe Shearer]

wrong. the term was used for people who used to live on bank of river indus not for whole subcontinent..

I'm afraid not, @Max . Good try, but no cigar :-(

Look up Megasthenes. And figure out which region he was talking about. Unless you are Modi, you won't put Patna on the banks of the Indus. It takes prime ministerial capability to do that.

GB is part of dispute thats why it still is not part of Pakistan according to Pakistani constitution.. if its not part of Kashmir then why dont Pakistan govt accept it as part of Pakistan?????????



No for hindutva kids India is not subcontinent but a country of which Pakistan , Nepal and Bangladesh were always used to be part for trillions of years? the country was ruled by one ruler and it was never divided for gazillion of years? No? in short they dont accept that there is anything call Indian subcontinent.

so you believe like Pakistani, Bangladeshis, Nepalis, Sri Lankan, who believe subcontinent is a region who was always divided between different states or empires for example different empires was ruling Indian subcontinent region in Late Medieval era. Mughal, Maratha, Rajput dynasties were ruling subcontinent at same time.. same happen after Mughals when Durrani was ruling Pakistan, and rest was under dozens of rulers..Bangal was used to be ruled by its own Sultans. so does nepal had its own kingdom..