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Jeremy Page, Delhi

Until three decades ago few visitors to Indian-ruled Kashmir would have bothered to seek out the Rozabal shrine, tomb of the medieval Muslim preacher Yus Asaf.

Most tourists in the predominantly Muslim region were unaware of the theory, dating back more than 150 years, that Jesus survived the Crucifixion and travelled later to Kashmir. Nor had they heard the rumours that his remains were still there in the Rozabal shrine, a small, wooden-roofed building on a street corner in Srinagar, the summer capital.

Thanks to a reference in the latest Lonely Planet guide, however, the shrine has become so popular among foreigners that this year they have been banned from visiting. Mohammed Amin Ringshawl, the manager in charge of the shrine, said that local people resented the sudden flurry of interest in the place where they pray. “It is the work of people associated with the tourist trade. They are misleading visitors and making them believe that Jesus was buried here,” he said.

“Locals ask why Westerners visit this shrine and not other shrines in Kashmir. To avoid any trouble we decided to shut the shrine for Westerners, who were offending sentiments.”

The shrine consists of a wooden chamber placed over a tombstone covered with green cloth embroidered with verses from the Koran.

The idea that Jesus visited Kashmir and died there first arose in the mid-19th century as European scholars sought to explain similarities between Christianity and Buddhism. Some Christian groups were keen to link Jesus with India to win more converts, while others were exploring what he did between the ages of 12 and 30, which is not explained in the gospels.

The theory was also espoused by the controversial Ahmadiyya sect, which was founded in 1889 but is not recognised by many Muslims. A US-based Christian sect called the Church Universal and Triumphant, founded in 1952, also supports the belief that Jesus lived in Kashmir, but not that he died there. The latest edition of Lonely Planet, published last year, says: “The very act of visiting this place is highly thought-provoking.”

The story gained currency in India with the publication of a book called Christ in Kashmir, by Aziz Abdul Kashmiri, in 1968. “Kashmiri history books tell us that Yus Asaf came from abroad,” he told the BBC. “He came from Israel. He came to spread his teachings. He lived and died here. Yus Asaf was Issa. He was Jesus.”

Most Christian scholars and historians ridicule such theories but in the past three decades they have been popularised by a series of books, including Jesus Lived In India by the German author Holger Kersten. That work, published in 1981, claims there are hidden details at the shrine such as carved footprints marked with Crucifixion wounds — an idea which has inevitably grown more popular since the publication of The Da Vinci Code in 2003.

Suzanne Marie Olsson, the New York-based author of another book on the subject, has suggested exhuming the remains for carbon dating and DNA testing to check for Jewish ancestry. But she was forced to leave Kashmir several years ago after shrine managers filed a police complaint accusing her of “causing hurt to Muslim beliefs”.

He’s not the Messiah, locals tell Rough Guide ‘Jesus tomb’ tourists - Times Online
 
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I have read Jesus Lived in India, its a very interesting theory. The book is very well researched too. Another book that explains monotheistic origins of Christianity is In Search of Zarathustra.

I am not sure why people should ban foriegners from visiting the shrine. The smarter thing to do could be to charge a token amount, say Rs.30 and let them have a look. That will take care of the upkeep of the place as well.
 
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Tourists flock to 'Jesus's tomb' in Kashmir

A belief that Jesus survived the crucifixion and spent his remaining years in Kashmir has led to a run-down shrine in Srinagar making it firmly onto the must-visit-in India tourist trail.

In the backstreets of downtown Srinagar is an old building known as the Rozabal shrine.

It's in a part of the city where the Indian security forces are on regular patrol, or peering out from behind check-posts made of sandbags.

There are still occasional clashes with militants or stone-throwing children, but the security situation has improved in recent times and the tourists are returning.

When I first searched for Rozabal two years ago, the taxi circled around a minor Muslim tomb in a city of many mosques and mausoleums, the driver asking directions several times before we found it.

The shrine, on a street corner, is a modest stone building with a traditional Kashmiri multi-tiered sloping roof.

A watchman led me in and encouraged me to inspect the smaller wooden chamber within, with its trellis-like, perforated screen.

Through the gaps I could see a gravestone covered with a green cloth.

When I returned to the shrine recently though, it was shut - its gate padlocked because it had attracted too many visitors.

The reason? Well, according to an eclectic combination of New Age Christians, unorthodox Muslims and fans of the Da Vinci Code, the grave contains the mortal remains of a candidate for the most important visitor of all time to India.
Crazy professor

Officially, the tomb is the burial site of Youza Asaph, a medieval Muslim preacher - but a growing number of people believe that it is in fact the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth.

They believe that Jesus survived the crucifixion almost 2,000 Easters ago, and went to live out his days in Kashmir.

"What else could they do? They had to close it," Riaz told me.

His family home almost overlooks the shrine, and he is witheringly dismissive of the notion that Jesus was buried there.

"It's a story spread by local shopkeepers, just because some crazy professor said it was Jesus's tomb. They thought it would be good for business. Tourists would come, after all these years of violence.

"And then it got into the Lonely Planet, and too many people started coming.

"And one foreigner…" he gave me an apologetic look, "broke off a bit from the tomb to take home with him. So that's why it's closed now."

On cue, a couple of unwashed and exhausted Australians appeared, carrying the latest edition of the Lonely Planet travel guide to India, which, sure enough, carried the tale of Jesus's tomb, with some caveats about crackpots and blasphemy.

They asked me to take a photo of them outside the shrine - but were not desperately disappointed that it was closed.

The tomb of Jesus was just another place to tick off on their tourist-in-India must-visit list.

Famous meeting

he ruins of a Buddhist monastery in a spectacular location halfway up a mountainside north of Srinagar are not, yet, mentioned in the Lonely Planet.

It's a spot that I had previously been unable to visit, because as a senior police officer told me, it was "infested with terrorists".

But the watchman now seemed prepared for the arrival of mass tourism, with his 50 words of English, and his hidden stock of ancient terracotta tiles for sale.

He informed me that Jesus was among the religious leaders who attended a famous Buddhist meeting here in AD80, and even pointed to the place where he sat.

The stories of Jesus in India are not just aimed at gullible tourists - they date back to the 19th Century.

They were part of attempts to explain the striking similarities between Christianity and Buddhism, a matter of great concern to 19th Century scholars - and also a desire among some Christians to root the story of Jesus in Indian soil.

Missing years
There is talk of the missing years of Jesus, unmentioned in the gospels, when he was between the ages of 12 and 30.
Some say he was in India, picking up Buddhist ideas. These aren't notions that have entirely died out.

The US-based Christian sect, known as the Church Universal and Triumphant, is the best-known modern supporter of the belief that Jesus lived in Kashmir, though they don't believe he died there.

And in Islam, in which Jesus is the penultimate prophet, there is also a minority tradition adopted by the controversial Ahmadiyya sect , that Rozabal does contain the grave of Jesus.

Professional historians tend to laugh out loud when you mention the notion that Jesus might have lived in Kashmir - but his tomb is now firmly on the tourist trail - and a growing number of credulous visitors believe that he was buried in the Rozabal shrine.

And for those who scoff, remember that others have argued, just as implausibly, that Jesus came to Britain.

A theory that was much in vogue when the poet William Blake famously asked: "And did those feet in ancient time, walk upon England's mountains green? And was the holy Lamb of God on England's pleasant pastures seen?"

BBC News - Tourists flock to 'Jesus's tomb' in Kashmir
 
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There is a BBC documentary on this subject released a few years ago;

Jesus in Kashmir - Parts 1-3
 
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It is also or mainly Ahmadi belief that Jesus (a.s)did not die & "shifted" to kashmir.
Muslim belief states that he was raised up to heaven only to return later as a portent of end times.
This is just BS.............
 
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It is also or mainly Ahmadi belief that Jesus (a.s)did not die & "shifted" to kashmir.
Muslim belief states that he was raised up to heaven only to return later as a portent of end times.
This is just BS.............

You are right. Flying through space like superman without radiation shielding to a destination unknown, living there without food and water for an unusually high age of 2000 and then come flying back, does sound bit unreal.
 
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You are right. Flying through space like superman without radiation shielding to a destination unknown, living there without food and water for an unusually high age of 2000 and then come flying back, does sound bit unreal.


You underestimate the Power of GOD ?
 
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Apparently God can't take Jesus to Kashmir, but He can take him to space.

The Qur’an says in Surah Nisa, Chapter 4 verse 157-158:

"That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Jesus Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’ – But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not –

Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in Power, Wise."
[Al-Qur’an 4:157-158]



dont want to start any discussion this reference is only for muslims and those who want to learn our concept...................................

sorry in advance for any offence........i respect all the religions
 
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The Qur’an says in Surah Nisa, Chapter 4 verse 157-158:

"That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Jesus Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’ – But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not –

Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in Power, Wise."
[Al-Qur’an 4:157-158]


dont want to start any discussion this reference is only for muslims and those who want to learn our concept...................................

sorry in advance for any offence........i respect all the religions


 
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I seriously dont care about that Ghamdi guy much .
Even jewish & christian scripture
speak of the return of the messiah.
 
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will keep it short and clear.........last post in this thread, i know where u want to take this, though i didn't looked at your posted video coz i don't agree with maududi concepts..........sorry again.......not from jamet e islami:victory:

plain muslim................for me quran quotes more powerful words than maududi or any other like him.............

and please no more controversies
 
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That is the reason why Religious debates are not allowed....... peoples will argue about Mr Madoodi's belief, Javed Ghamdi's belief and Ahmedi's belief if this thread is not closed

Please close the thread :flame:
 
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Zaki Bhai... yaar there are disagreements in this thread just like any other thread. No hardcore religious discussion as such took place!
 
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