Have Some Info About Muhammad Bin Qasim

[INDIC]

Your ancestors share nothing with Pakistani ancestors unless you are of a bharti Punjabi origin, what ancestry does a man from Tamil nadu share with lets say a Pakistani Punjabi or for that matter an Indian bharti?.

What similarity does an Indian Punjabi share with people speaking East Iranic language.

 

[ghilzai]

Some of your ANP minister claimed Raja Dahir as a hero, I read account by Pakistani journalist and interview of people that he is respected by Muslims in Sindh. Sindhi nationalists respect him. Shias in Sindh respect him since he gave protection to Muhammad Bin Allafi, the companion of Imam Hussain.

Just thoughts of a few don't become the thoughts of all, do share these interviews with us, ANP is a nationalist party no not secular, i find that hard to believe, even if so in politically correct manner but iinternally the feeling would have been very different.

 

[ghilzai]

What similarity does an Indian Punjabi share with people speaking East Iranic language.

Bharati Punjabi himself is foreign to that land he himself is the product of conquests from the Huns and kushans and so on and god knows who before that, so based on that he shares more similarities with the turco Iranic speakers then lets says someone from bihar or Tamil nadu or bengal etc etc.

 

[jayron]

So why then portray conquest of Bharat as Islamic conquest of Bharat then?, why not then say turco afghan conquest of bharat?, that way we can say the side that won was turco afghan.



Says a man whose nation kept the name given to them by their colonial masters, whose nations language is more English then anything else, whose women have adopted western clothes and central Asian salwar kameez, whose nation idolises anything white, every song every movie, whose nation is famous for historic buildings that were the creation of their foreign masters.

Bla bla bla. India adapts and accepts outside culture but preserved what is its own.thats how most cultures evolve. Pakistan loathes its own identity and wants to get rid of it for a foreign culture.

 

[INDIC]

Just thoughts of a few don't become the thoughts of all, do share these interviews with us, ANP is a nationalist party no not secular, i find that hard to believe, even if so in politically correct manner but iinternally the feeling would have been very different.

Some ANP minister named Haji Adeel claimed Raja Dahir as hero.

Alternative narratives:

People named their sons after Dahir and Chach until 1960s, says historian Manan Ahmed.

 

[ghilzai]

Bla bla bla. India adapts and accepts outside culture but preserved what is its own.thats how most cultures evolve. Pakistan loathes its own identity and wants to get rid of it for a foreign culture.

What Indian culture do you preserve?, please do tell me if your nation is famous for what the indigenous people did or is it famous for what the foreigners did?.

Which identity does Pakistan loathe andwants to get rid of it for foreign culture?.

Pakistan is a multicultural society, there is no one culture but a family of culture and traditions that differ variously according to region and ethnicity.

Some ANP minister named Haji Adeel claimed Raja Dahir as hero.

Alternative narratives:

Tribune and this is that what you bring as evidence, just one and not even credible source.

 

[INDIC]

Bharati Punjabi himself is foreign to that land he himself is the product of conquests from the Huns and kushans and so on and god knows who before that, so based on that he shares more similarities with the turco Iranic speakers then lets says someone from bihar or Tamil nadu or bengal etc etc.

some Pakistani guy informed us that West Punjabis share about 20% ancestry with ancestral South Indians.

The jats,Gujjar, Rajputs etc. aren't confined only to Indian Punjab.

Tribune and this is that what you bring as evidence, just one and not even credible source.

That's Pakistani newspaper and Pakistani historian.

 

[jayron]

What Indian culture do you preserve?, please do tell me if your nation is famous for what the indigenous people did or is it famous for what the foreigners did?.

Which identity does Pakistan loathe andwants to get rid of it for foreign culture?.

Pakistan is a multicultural society, there is no one culture but a family of culture and traditions that differ variously according to region and ethnicity.



Tribune and this is that what you bring as evidence, just one and not even credible source.

India is know for an "Indian culture". Pakistan is known for being wannabe Arabia. Your leaders even try to make your country look like arabia by planting desert palms in your cities. so much delusion.

 

[t_for_talli]

Our ancestors were hindus

SO WHAT

they learnt about the beauty of islam and alhamdullia we are now Muslims

The debate is not about your ancestors were Hindus or not
Is it right to praise someone who massacred/looted your ancestors?

I m fine if someone praise some a sufi saint or a peaceful preacher for spreading Islam but idolizing a murdrer/rapist

 

[pk_baloch]

Our ancestors were hindus

SO WHAT

they learnt about the beauty of islam and alhamdullia we are now Muslims

DEAR WE ALL ARE THE CHILDREN OF ADAM AND HAWA SO WHEN THEY WERE MUSLIMS HOW CAN WE BE HINDUS AT FIRST STAGE ........KUCH ANCESTORS NOAH K BAD BHATAK GAEE USKE BACHE MUSLIM HOGAEE HEIN PHIR SE ......

aur HINDU TO BOHAT BAD WALA WORD JO MUSLIM NE yahan rehne walon ko diya ...SUB KUCH MUSLIM NE TO DIYA HE INDIA KO HAHHAHAH
AUR INDUS VALLEY AUR GANGES VALLEY K LOG HAMESHA SE ALAG HEIN ..MEANS SINDH AND HIND .......SIRF MAURYAN ,MUSLIM,AND BRITISH K WAQAT K DONO UNITE HUEN HEIN ........ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT OUR ANCESTORS WERE NOT IDOL WORSHIPPER AT THE FIRST STAGE

 

[pk_baloch]

@imran169 @ghilzai MUST READ THIS

http://www.eurasiareview.com/290320...kistan-the-embodiment-of-a-civilization-oped/

Some called it an artificial creation while others grieved on the vivisection of an ancient land. Yet, no one realized on that fateful night of 14th of August in 1947, that an ancient land has resurrected itself from the ashes of a lost civilization. That night the people of Meluhha came to life again as Pakistan. It was celebrated as an emergence of a new nation on the world map, least realizing that with minor differences in boundaries, the map which housed the people of Meluhha for over 9000 years, simply reclaimed its heritage as Pakistan. Meluhha were the people of Indus Valley Civilization.[/SIZE][/B]

The sub-continent has geographically been divided into two major regions since thousands of years; the Indus Valley with its tributaries and the Ganges Valley with its tributaries, separated by the watershed created by Gurdaspur-Kathiawar Salient. The maps of these two regions roughly align with the maps of present day Pakistan and India.

Historically also these two regions have remained separate entities for most part of known history. The only period when these two regions even remained as one political unit in over 9000 years of known history, were during the era of Mauryan, Muslim and British rule. The major historic difference between the two regions was that while the people of Indus Valley created one of the oldest unified civilizations of the world and those of Ganges Valley remained separated and segregated. The Two Nations Theory which became one of the founding principles of creation of Pakistan and partition of British India in 1947, in historical hindsight, helped create status quo ante where history merely repeated itself.

During 1920s when the excavations at Harappa (Punjab, Pakistan) began, despite the veil of obscurity, British Indian establishment called Indus Valley Civilization as Indian civilization. However, later research and emergence of additional archeological, geological, historical and genetic evidence cleared much of the ambiguity. It was confirmed that not only the core of this civilization lay in modern day Pakistan but the civilization itself had its mooring deeply embedded there. And therefore it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the people of Pakistan are the true embodiment of the ancient Meluhha.

The true impact of this great civilization can not be ascertained only through its intrinsic and internal virtues. The influence it had, which profoundly impacted and transformed the later world, can only be understood in its entirety through identifying and recognizing its linkages with religio-political evolutionary progression and subsequent development and growth. The linkages of Indus Valley Civilization with Sumer (Mesopotamia), ancient Egypt and Central Asia are accepted archeological and historical facts as does the overlap in time period of existence of these civilizations. Thus the occurrence of major events of historical impact and value related to that era can not be isolated to only one of these civilizations alone.

Major events of religio-political virtue impacted the period of existence of Indus Valley Civilization (7000 – 1300) which peaked between 3000 – 2000 BC and having declined from 1900 BC onwards till losing its trace around 1300 BC. This time period was laden with probable emergence of Prophets Nuh (Noah), Hud (Eber), Saleh (Shela) and certainly according to most scholars, the emergence of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) around 2000 BC, till Prophets Musa (Moses) 1436 – 1316 BC and Haroon (Aaron) 1439 – 1317 BC. All these Prophets spread the belief in one God (monotheism) and interestingly, as accepted by most scholars, the people of Indus Valley Civilization were the only ones who believed in monotheism out of the three contemporary civilizations.

The unified system of governance and integrated and fused economic system, peaceful nature of living and lack of identifiable war fighting and war material, the remarkably similar construction and construction methodology and unified measuring system, all point towards a unitary and inclusive way of life. In addition to this, the absence of religious places and temples, lack of clearly identifiable deities and other polytheist artifacts are but some of the examples that make Indus Valley Civilization one of the few known civilizations of that era to have practiced monotheism. This also is reflective of the fact that monotheism acted as a unifying, integrated and a cohesive societal influence impacting the people of Indus Valley Civilization.

The linkages and influence, people of this civilization had with Sumer (Mesopotamia) are fairly well pronounced. Surprisingly though, such influences are also more pronounced by the absence of Mesopotamian linkages with Indus Valley. This is reflective of their maturity and also highlights their resolve in maintaining societal independence against foreign influences, wherein the practice of monotheism was upheld against polytheism practiced in the adjoining contemporary civilizations, despite the regular contacts and interactions even through enhanced trade linkages.

This also brings out the question as to why these people practiced monotheism when the other contemporary civilizations practiced polytheism. One may find the answer within the known historical aspects related to the spread of early monotheism. The time period of its emergence, its precursor, the peak and the decline of Indus Valley Civilization clearly relates it to the probable known historical influence of Prophets of that era, who spread monotheism. The possibility that there may have been a Prophet present amongst them, whose influence chartered the course of this remarkable civilization, can not be thus completely ruled out.

These societal influences may also help solve the riddle as to why this civilization started declining after 1900 BC. Were there any linkages between the birth of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) around 2000 BC in Sumer (Mesopotamia), who also spread monotheism. If such a probability has a measure of belief, the priests, the governing elite and a part of the population may have migrated to Sumer (Mesopotamia) after the news of Prophet Ibrahim’s (Abraham) proclamations would have reached Indus Valley. The remaining population, leaving those who could not and did not follow them to Sumer in search of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham), were left ungoverned and thus initiated the gradual collapse of Indus Valley Civilization which many have attributed to various natural calamities, indications of which have never been confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt.

After the decline and fading out of Indus Valley Civilization, it took many more centuries in formation of an alternative local culture and life style. This apparently took the form of ancient Vedic Hindu culture which emerged during its declining period or after the civilization had faded out. The influence was quite apparent in the then emerging Vedic Hindu culture and was pronounced by the fact that it also propagated monotheism in its earlier instance, which however was later diluted to polytheism.

It took many more centuries to bring the Ganges Valley and its adjoining planes under this new found influence. Monotheism, though in a different format, did stretch its wings again and again during the course of later history, in the form of Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism, though majority continued to revert back or follow Vedic Hindu culture. The arrival of Muslims however, effected a gradual and major change and the people of Indus Valley Civilization again accepted the virtues of monotheism which they had followed thousands of years earlier.

It was this civilizational clash between monotheism and polytheism which brought to fore the Meluhha in the form of Pakistan in 1947 and re-enacted it as an embodiment of a long lost great civilization.



http://www.eurasiareview.com/25122012-pakistan-the-true-heir-of-indus-valley-civilization-analysis/

The vision of Pakistan’s founder Muhammad Ali Jinnah, in the 1940s did not only constitute creation of a Muslim political entity at the expense of India’s Hindu domination. It was also embedded in thousands of years of historical and geographical realities. These aspects clearly emerge from Jinnah’s interviews given to foreign correspondents where he described the geopolitical importance of Pakistan. The two nation reality also did not emerge only because of the differences between Hindu and Muslim peoples. It was an outcome of thousands of years of historical, geographical and genetic distinction between the peoples of Indus Valley Civilization and those occupying the Gangetic plains.

The existence of Indus Valley Civilization emerged though the ruins at Harappa in Punjab, Pakistan which were first described by Charles Masson in 1842, in his “Narrative of Various Journeys in Balochistan, Afghanistan, and the Punjab.” Though the site was visited by General Alexander Cunningham in 1856, who later headed the archeological survey of northern India, it was in 1921-22 that the excavations began which unearthed the great civilization buried under the sand for thousands of years.

The irony of it all was that it was General Alexander Cunningham who allowed East Indian Railways which was constructing railway line between the cities of Lahore and Karachi, to use the ancient bricks recovered from these sites as track ballast for the 150 kilometers of nearby stretch and thus destroyed much of the city of Harappa (3300 BC – 1300 BC). Mohenjodaro (2600 BC – 1900 BC) in Sindh, Pakistan was excavated by 1931. Mehrgarh (7000 BC -. 2500 BC) in Balochistan, Pakistan was discovered in 1974 and the excavations continued from 1974-86 and again from 1997-2000. Rehman Dheri (4000 BC) in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa was excavated from 1976-1980. Based on recent evidence and analyses, archeologists and historians have proclaimed that Indus Valley Civilization is over 9000 years old, making it one of the oldest civilizations of the world.

The South Asian subcontinent is principally divided into two major geographical regions; the Indus Valley and its westerly inclined tributaries, and the Ganges Valley with its easterly inclined tributaries. In his book, “The Indus Saga and the Making of Pakistan,” Aitzaz Ahsan identifies the geographical divide between these two regions as the Gurdaspur-Kathiawar salient, a watershed which is southwesterly inclined down to the Arabian Sea. This watershed also depicted the dividing line between the peoples of Indus Valley Civilization and those of Gangetic plains and also corresponds almost exactly with the current day Pakistan-India border.

Historically, only the Mauryas, Muslims and the British amalgamated these two regions as a unified state. For most of the remaining history, when one empire did not rule both the regions as a unified state, the Indus Valley Civilizational domain was always governed as one separate political entity.

Rather than an unnatural creation as propounded by many, Pakistan much more than the Gangetic plains, is an appropriate and modern embodiment of thousands of years old Indus Valley Civilization. The historical, geographical and its people’s organic linkages with Arab, Persian, Turkic and South Central Asian populace also clearly differentiates it as a distinct and definite independent identity as compared to the rest of India.

The discovery of Indus Valley Civilization in the run up to 1947 independence of Pakistan and India provided Indian nationalist Hindus an opportunity, to embed their Vedic Hindu cultural identity in a civilization, which was one of the oldest civilizations on earth and also predated emergence of Islam. However, the later identification of emergence of Vedic Hindu cultural traditions between 1500 – 600 BC, discounted such linkages. Also, the fact that Indus Valley Civilization’s cultural moorings were discovered mainly in the Indus River Valley, and partly in Ghaggar-Hakra basin and in the Doab, these cultural moorings did not find an extension into the central and lower Ganges Valley in the eastern and central Indian plains. The presence of fortified cities, town planning and drainage system, depiction of specialized epic art form and the architecture of burnt bricks, sea trade, use of seals, weights, measures and script and the custom of burying the dead in cemeteries, presented clear differentiation because of the absence of such depiction in Vedic Hindu literature and culture.

Many adherents of Indian Hindu nationalist ideology believed that India was and is a primarily Hindu nation and has Hindu religious culture in continuity from Vedic Aryans. The mosaic of cultures of the past evolving into composite Indian Hindu culture through the process of history was not based on archeological evidence but what they essentially believed in. In many cases distorting and manipulating or even forging the mute archaeological evidence through depiction of fire places as fire altars, waste pits as sacrificial pits in Harappan era sites and the imaginary reading of Sanskrit legends, was quoted in order to suit their pseudo-ideological and opportunistic interests.

Between 1900-1300 BC the civilization declined and there were no more references to Meluhha (Mesopotamian name for Indus Valley Civilization landmass) in Mesopotamian finds. However, the people who made up this great civilization continued living in places like Mehrgarh, Harappa, Mohenjodaro and other settlements long after that.

The legacy of Indus Valley Civilization lives on in present day Pakistan. Amongst some of the aspects that can still be traced to this legacy are the trade and commerce routes developed by the mentors of this great civilization. Ships from Meluhha regularly sailed from locations near modern day city of Karachi for the ports of Babylon. And they evidently made stops all along the way, as indicated through discovery of seals found in Oman, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain as well.

The city of Peshawar lies on what is thought to have been one of their main overland trade routes. That route is now a major highway that constitutes the eastern approach to the Khyber Pass and links the northwestern Indus River Plain to the highlands of Afghanistan and Central Asia. An old branch of the route runs from Peshawar, south into rugged tribal territory, through the Pakistani cities of Kohat and Bannu and the foothills of the Suleiman Mountains down across the Gomal Plain to the early historical site of Rehman Dheri.

After the decline of this civilization, the religion and language of which has still not been deciphered, at different times these people followed Vedic Hindu culture and traditions, also adopted Buddhism and in the end embraced Islam and are now overwhelmingly Muslim.

The core spread of Indus Valley Civilization primarily lay in Pakistan. The three major cities and many other sites which represent the core of Indus Valley Civilization are all located in Pakistan. However, the Indians still refer to India as the “Home of Indus Valley Civilization,” which is surprising and indeed a misnomer. India needs to realign its history and should seek its identity in its own legacy instead of claiming something to which they do not belong to.

It is the people of Pakistan who represent one of the oldest civilizations on earth. Indus Valley Civilization’s legacy is linked to Pakistan and this fact cannot be denied. The people of Pakistan thus rightly claim to be the true heirs of Indus Valley Civilization.
@shan @Nassr TUM LOG BHI ISS THREAD KO KHUBSURAT KARDO THORA

 

[pk_baloch]

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[pk_baloch]

Bharati Punjabi himself is foreign to that land he himself is the product of conquests from the Huns and kushans and so on and god knows who before that, so based on that he shares more similarities with the turco Iranic speakers then lets says someone from bihar or Tamil nadu or bengal etc etc.

SUB KUCH PAKISTAN KA HE KUCH BHI INKA NAEE HE

they stole the history of us means IVCs people



wese acha hua muhammad bin qasim aya aur dahir ko jo mara wese dono apne he hue but wo dahir wadera tha and qasim ne aukaat dikhaee us ko ...

 

[anonymus]

ADAM AND HAWA

 

[funtoosh]

@ Title.. Its about time

DEAR WE ALL ARE THE CHILDREN OF ADAM AND HAWA SO WHEN THEY WERE MUSLIMS HOW CAN WE BE HINDUS AT FIRST STAGE ........KUCH ANCESTORS NOAH K BAD BHATAK GAEE USKE BACHE MUSLIM HOGAEE HEIN PHIR SE ......

aur HINDU TO BOHAT BAD WALA WORD JO MUSLIM NE yahan rehne walon ko diya ...SUB KUCH MUSLIM NE TO DIYA HE INDIA KO HAHHAHAH
AUR INDUS VALLEY AUR GANGES VALLEY K LOG HAMESHA SE ALAG HEIN ..MEANS SINDH AND HIND .......SIRF MAURYAN ,MUSLIM,AND BRITISH K WAQAT K DONO UNITE HUEN HEIN ........ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT OUR ANCESTORS WERE NOT IDOL WORSHIPPER AT THE FIRST STAGE

so adam and hawa.. so ultimately you say that your father and mother are brother sisters? what does that make your father?