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Now we all know that many of those who are hating on Donald Trump are doing so because he is threatening the cozy-crony-politico-predatory-capitalist system that has made so many of them fat and rich. He is intending to break their rice bowls as the Chinese would put it or, in a more American vernacular, the gravy train might be ending. To be sure The Donald is warning that he will do just that, even if he will find in practice, if elected, that turning the ship of state around might well be a task beyond the ability of any aspirant to the presidency.

But while pure self-interest might well be driving many of the chattering nonentities that populate our congress and the senior political appointee ranks in government there is something nevertheless extraordinary in the level of venom and sheer hatred that is being spewed at random about a potential Trump administration. It is not uncommon to read or hear that Trump is seeking to overturn the Constitution of the United States and establish a dictatorship that will promote his allegedly warped views of what must be done to correct America’s domestic and foreign policies, suggesting that our form of government is so fragile that it can be subverted by one man.

The anger directed against Trump is unique, one might note, as it also includes demands to somehow overturn the popular will expressed in primaries and caucuses to obtain a candidate that is more in tune with what the Republican establishment is seeking to promote as the “national consensus.” That Trump is voicing an overwhelming American middle class perspective on the evils of mass illegal immigration matters not a whit to the Mandarins whose only concerns on that issue center on the availability of a supply of cheap labor to clean their McMansions and swimming pools.

The anti-Trump effort is being well funded, has included notable defections to the Democratic Party, has led to lists of Republican politicians who will not accept a Trump nomination or support a President Trump, and has even produced calls for a third party neo-Republican entity to run against him. Some other reactions are stupid, including Canadian neocon Mark Dubowitz of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, calling for even more immigrants to the U.S., while talk radio extremist Glenn Beck has tweeted that if he had a knife and were able to get close to Trump he would have to keep on stabbing him.

To be sure, Trump has provided considerable fuel for the fire through his extraordinary ad libs about banning Muslims from the U.S., killing the families of terrorists and using torture. But mainstream politicians have already recommended and even done that much and more without the level of censure that Trump is receiving. Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush have engaged in widespread killing of civilians, torture and assassinating families of suspected militants, to include American citizens, without any of the invective being leveled at Trump.

Indeed, Trump would appear to have a more sensible foreign policy in mind, consisting of avoiding unnecessary wars and “regime changes,” honoring the multilateral negotiated agreement with Iran, engaging diplomatically even with heads of state that we consider to be adversaries and encouraging Russia to fight ISIS. His three current opponents have recommended “carpet bombing” areas controlled by ISIS, fusing Syrian sand into nuclear radiating glass, provoking wars with both Russia and China, arming Ukraine, punching Vladimir Putin in the nose and sending in thousands of American soldiers to the Middle East. They are not in the least bothered by fattening up the already fat national security state with trillions more dollars while domestic needs go unaddressed. So who is the crazy one?

But there is one significant difference between Trump and the “establishment,” be they Democrats or Republicans that has not been highlighted. I would suggest that quite a lot of the depth and intensity of what we are experiencing is actually about Israel. Trump is the first high level politician aspirant within living memory to challenge the notion that the United States must stand by Israel no matter what Israel does. Even while affirming his affection for Israel, he has said that Washington must be even handed in its efforts to bring about peace between Israelis and Palestinians, implying that Tel Aviv might have to make concessions.

Trump has also added insult to injury by delinking himself from the blandishments of Jewish political mega-donors, who largely call the tune for many in the GOP and among the Democrats, by telling them he doesn’t need their money and can’t be bought. His comments have challenged conventional interest group politicking in American and have predictably produced a firestorm reaction in the usual circles. Robert Kagan announced that he would be supporting Hillary, who famously has declared that she would immediately call Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu upon taking office as a first step in moving the relationship with Tel Aviv to “the next level.” It is to be presumed that Kagan and his fellow neocons will be experiencing a welcoming vibe from at least some of the Democrats as the neoconservatives have always been liberals at heart on nearly all issues except foreign policy, rooted by them in the “unshakable and bipartisan bond” with Israel.

It is my opinion that the “I” word should be banned from American political discourse. Ironically, many American Jews are themselves uneasy about the place occupied by Israel in ongoing political debates, recognizing that it is both unhealthy in a democracy and reflective only of the extreme views of the hardline members of their own diaspora community. It is also unpleasantly all about Jews and money since the Republicans and other mouthpieces now piling on Trump are motivated largely by their own sinecures and the Sheldon Adelson type donations that might be forthcoming to the politically savvy candidates who say the right things about the conflict in the Middle East.

Slate’s Isaac Chotiner has noted a particularly odd speech by Senator Marco Rubio in which he spoke of his single electoral triumph in Minnesota before immediately jumping to the issue of Israel, as if on cue or by rote. It is a tendency that is not unique to him. I read through the transcript of the GOP debate that preceded Rubio’s sole victory, which in part reflected a competition to see who could promise to do most for Israel. Senator Ted Cruz stated that he “would stand unapologetically with the nation of Israel…and the alliance with Israel.” Governor John Kasich declared that he’s “been a supporter of Israel – a strong supporter of Israel longer than anyone on this stage.” Senator Marco Rubio indicated that “I will be on Israel’s side every single day because they are the only pro-American, free enterprise democracy in the entire Middle East.” Ben Carson called Israel not only a strategic partner but also an element in America’s “Judeo Christian foundation” that can never be rejected.

Quite a few assertions about Israel made by politicians are, of course, nonsense. It is not in alliance with the United States and is not a democracy for starters, but the real question becomes why is Israel part of the debate at all? It is because of concerns that the deep pocketed donors like Sheldon Adelson will join his good friend Haim Saban in funding Hillary if candidates do not say what he expects to hear. Saban has referred to Trump as a “clown” and attacked him because he would be “dangerous for Israel.”

And then there is the recent attack of the Beltway Midgets, a “a strongly worded letter” orchestrated by Eliot Cohen, a former Condoleezza Rice State Department appointee whose attachment to Israel might well be regarded as demented, that attracted the signatures of more than one hundred self-described GOP foreign policy “leaders,” declaring that “We are unable to support a party ticket with Mr. Trump at its head.” Quite a few of the signatories are well known neocons, including Max Boot, Robert Zoellick, Michael Chertoff, Eric Edelman, Reuel Marc Gerecht, Daniel Pipes, Michael Rubin, Kori Schake, Randy Scheunemann, Gary Schmitt, Ray Takeyh and Philip Zelikow. Boot has vilified Trump as “emerging as the number one threat to American security.” All the signatories were passionate supporters of the Iraq War, which Trump has correctly disparaged as a catastrophic foreign policy failure, and all of them are describable as strong supporters of Israel.

The friends of Benjamin Netanyahu in the United States rightly fear that someday the American people and government will come to their senses and regard Israel as just another friendly foreign state, without any “special relationship” attached. To counter that possibility, the lashing out against any public figure who dares to criticize Israel is both immediate and visceral. Note, for example, the fate of former President Jimmy Carter who was virtually excommunicated by the Democratic Party after he condemned Israeli treatment of the Palestinians.

But what the neocon subset of Israel’s powerful lobby fears most is something quite different – becoming irrelevant. They have weathered being wrong about nearly everything but what they particularly fear is finding themselves without a major political party whose foreign policy they can manipulate because that would cut off their funding from defense contractors and pro-Israel zealots. They will have to give up the emoluments that they have accumulated since hijacking the GOP under Ronald Reagan. They might have to abandon their corner offices and secretaries and could even have to find real jobs. And what would the Sunday morning talk shows be like without the Cheshire cat grin of Bill Kristol?

The end of the hypocrisy driven neocon ascendancy in foreign policy will be welcomed by many. Dan McAdams of the Ron Paul Institute has described the Trump hating neocons as “…soft skinned and well-perfumed keyboard warriors who eagerly send America’s sons and daughters to be slaughtered in wars that achieve nothing but the ascendance of new ‘bad guys’ used to justify ever more wars. And all of it pays very nicely for them.” Exactly.

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Trump: Nobody on this stage is more pro-Israel than I am
The CNN-hosted debate between the four remaining Republican candidates took place at a crucial time, days before primary votes in Florida and Ohio.
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Republican debate in Miami, Florida. (photo credit:REUTERS)

Senator Ted Cruz sparked a heated conversation on the Israel-Palestinian conflict during the CNN Republican debate on Thursday night when he mentioned Vanderbilt graduate student Taylor Force, 29, who was killed by a Palestinian terrorist who went on a stabbing rampage in Jaffa.

The CNN-hosted debate between the four remaining Republican candidates took place at a crucial time, days before primary votes in Florida and Ohio .

Senator Ted Cruz reiterated his support calling Israel "America's strongest ally in the Middle East," while reprimanding the Palestinian unity government with "Hamas terrorists."

Business mogul Donald Trump defended his prior statements in which he claimed it was in America's best interest to stay neutral in the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

"First of all, there is no body on this stage who is more pro-Israel than I am," said Trump receiving jeers in response from the audience. "I happen to have a son-in-law and daughter who are Jewish."

Trump also recalled that he once served as the grand marshal of the Israeli Day Parade, explaining that Israel's security would be his top priority but that he did intend to make an attempt at negotiating a deal between the two sides of the conflict.

Florida Senator Marco Rubio fired back at Trump calling his stance "an anti-Israeli policy," and asserted his own belief that any territory transferred to the Palestinians would turn into an attack on Israel.

"Every time that Israel has turned over territory...it is used as a launching pad to attack Israel," he said.

A peace deal is impossible at this time because Israel has no realistic partner to work with explained Rubio.

The Palestinian Authority "is not interested in a serious deal," he added.

Ohio Governor John Kasich agreed with the statement that the Palestinian leadership is inciting terrorist against Israel and expressed his view that there is no real, achievable peace solution for the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

"I don't think there's any long-term permanent peace solution and I think pursuing that is the wrong thing to do," said Kasich.

"The best we can hope to achieve is stability in the Middle East," he said.

The best way we can do that is by supporting Israel and providing them with the arms they need to protect the country, explained Kasich.

Both the Florida and Ohio Republican primaries award delegates on a winner-take-all basis, meaning that the winner of the popular vote is awarded the state's entire slate of delegates.

So far, 25 states and Puerto Rico have held nominating contests, and Trump has amassed a solid lead in the delegate race. According to the Associated Press, Trump has 458 delegates, followed by Cruz at 359, Rubio at 151, and Kasich at 54.

Clinching the Republican nomination requires 1,237 delegates.

Trump on Thursday appeared to try to appear more presidential, something he has pledged often in the past to do so but never has. On Thursday he modulated both the tone of his voice and the tenor of his remarks, which in prior debates have drawn sharp criticism for being vulgar.

The two-hour debate included a sober discussion of pressing challenges from illegal immigration to reform of Social Security to free trade deals, a marked departure from the finger-pointing schoolyard taunts that the candidates have engaged in past debates.

Trump: Nobody on this stage is more pro-Israel than I am - US Elections - Jerusalem Post

 
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Trump: Nobody on this stage is more pro-Israel than I am
The CNN-hosted debate between the four remaining Republican candidates took place at a crucial time, days before primary votes in Florida and Ohio.
ShowImage.ashx

Republican debate in Miami, Florida. (photo credit:REUTERS)

Senator Ted Cruz sparked a heated conversation on the Israel-Palestinian conflict during the CNN Republican debate on Thursday night when he mentioned Vanderbilt graduate student Taylor Force, 29, who was killed by a Palestinian terrorist who went on a stabbing rampage in Jaffa.

The CNN-hosted debate between the four remaining Republican candidates took place at a crucial time, days before primary votes in Florida and Ohio .

Senator Ted Cruz reiterated his support calling Israel "America's strongest ally in the Middle East," while reprimanding the Palestinian unity government with "Hamas terrorists."

Business mogul Donald Trump defended his prior statements in which he claimed it was in America's best interest to stay neutral in the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

"First of all, there is no body on this stage who is more pro-Israel than I am," said Trump receiving jeers in response from the audience. "I happen to have a son-in-law and daughter who are Jewish."

Trump also recalled that he once served as the grand marshal of the Israeli Day Parade, explaining that Israel's security would be his top priority but that he did intend to make an attempt at negotiating a deal between the two sides of the conflict.

Florida Senator Marco Rubio fired back at Trump calling his stance "an anti-Israeli policy," and asserted his own belief that any territory transferred to the Palestinians would turn into an attack on Israel.

"Every time that Israel has turned over territory...it is used as a launching pad to attack Israel," he said.

A peace deal is impossible at this time because Israel has no realistic partner to work with explained Rubio.

The Palestinian Authority "is not interested in a serious deal," he added.

Ohio Governor John Kasich agreed with the statement that the Palestinian leadership is inciting terrorist against Israel and expressed his view that there is no real, achievable peace solution for the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

"I don't think there's any long-term permanent peace solution and I think pursuing that is the wrong thing to do," said Kasich.

"The best we can hope to achieve is stability in the Middle East," he said.

The best way we can do that is by supporting Israel and providing them with the arms they need to protect the country, explained Kasich.

Both the Florida and Ohio Republican primaries award delegates on a winner-take-all basis, meaning that the winner of the popular vote is awarded the state's entire slate of delegates.

So far, 25 states and Puerto Rico have held nominating contests, and Trump has amassed a solid lead in the delegate race. According to the Associated Press, Trump has 458 delegates, followed by Cruz at 359, Rubio at 151, and Kasich at 54.

Clinching the Republican nomination requires 1,237 delegates.

Trump on Thursday appeared to try to appear more presidential, something he has pledged often in the past to do so but never has. On Thursday he modulated both the tone of his voice and the tenor of his remarks, which in prior debates have drawn sharp criticism for being vulgar.

The two-hour debate included a sober discussion of pressing challenges from illegal immigration to reform of Social Security to free trade deals, a marked departure from the finger-pointing schoolyard taunts that the candidates have engaged in past debates.

Trump: Nobody on this stage is more pro-Israel than I am - US Elections - Jerusalem Post

Is that after he came under fire for stating he would stay neutral in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, support anti-Israel dictator Bashar Al-Assad against the rebels, or at least remain indifferent to him and his anti-Israeli allies (including Iran), support Russia's wars against pro-Israeli ISIS
 
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I have not understood the Israel angle in US politics , I understand some big $$ folks control federal reserve and even dictate the US president on how he should run the country.

However even so , the control over the candidate for Jew lobby is quite shocking

They (Candidates) were literally trying to jump over each other in order to impress their love for Israel more passion then even the passion they showed during national anthem of United states

Jews may be 1% of United states only

Is Israel love prerequisite for US president and not serving US citizens

There must be some documented evidence on since when the control exertion started in history

Is the unconditional support related to the evangelical Christians thinking that Jesus will not come back unless Jew own all of Palestine

Why does the US candidate Donald Trump needs to endorse Natenyahu ? When that is not even his country
 
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Is that after he came under fire for stating he would stay neutral in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, support anti-Israel dictator Bashar Al-Assad against the rebels, or at least remain indifferent to him and his anti-Israeli allies (including Iran), support Russia's wars against pro-Israeli ISIS
The video in which he supports bibi is from 2013, I don't think he was under pressure then
 
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I have not understood the Israel angle in US politics , I understand some big $$ folks control federal reserve and even dictate the US president on how he should run the country.

However even so , the control over the candidate for Jew lobby is quite shocking

They were literally trying to jump over each other in order to impress their love for Israel more passion then even the passion they showed during national anthem of United states

Jews may be 1% of United states only

Is Israel love prerequisite for US president and not serving US citizens

There must be some documented evidence on since when the control exertion started in history
Jews lobby is the richest in america. You have to understand lobbies play huge part in american politics.
 
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Is it the federal reserve folks , who control (money) that are Jewish who loan money to US government the main reason , surely a lobby cannot have so much power a independent head of state

The US leader now has to "declare" unconditional love for israel before he can be allowed to stand in election

Is there documented evidence since when this TREND started

I watched on movie/documentary that Federal reserve entity is outside of influence of US government , they loan cash to US government to run it's affairs - Is it that entity which scares the leaders of the party that they must declare their intent

I think at one point Bush was about to work on peace in Israel when the housing crisis started in USA where banks started to go bankrupt
 
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Is that after he came under fire for stating he would stay neutral in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, support anti-Israel dictator Bashar Al-Assad against the rebels, or at least remain indifferent to him and his anti-Israeli allies (including Iran), support Russia's wars against pro-Israeli ISIS
LOL one Arab I know always says that Trump is a Jewish conspiracy. I am trying to prove he is not. I will show him this link. Thanks :D
 
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I'm all in for Trump.......................he is business man and a very bad one:lol:....just imagine a US president ...who is considered a bad comedian,:sarcastic:negotiating with Putin.:chilli: Let's make America White Again!:dance3::dance3::dance3:




Now we all know that many of those who are hating on Donald Trump are doing so because he is threatening the cozy-crony-politico-predatory-capitalist system that has made so many of them fat and rich. He is intending to break their rice bowls as the Chinese would put it or, in a more American vernacular, the gravy train might be ending. To be sure The Donald is warning that he will do just that, even if he will find in practice, if elected, that turning the ship of state around might well be a task beyond the ability of any aspirant to the presidency.

But while pure self-interest might well be driving many of the chattering nonentities that populate our congress and the senior political appointee ranks in government there is something nevertheless extraordinary in the level of venom and sheer hatred that is being spewed at random about a potential Trump administration. It is not uncommon to read or hear that Trump is seeking to overturn the Constitution of the United States and establish a dictatorship that will promote his allegedly warped views of what must be done to correct America’s domestic and foreign policies, suggesting that our form of government is so fragile that it can be subverted by one man.

The anger directed against Trump is unique, one might note, as it also includes demands to somehow overturn the popular will expressed in primaries and caucuses to obtain a candidate that is more in tune with what the Republican establishment is seeking to promote as the “national consensus.” That Trump is voicing an overwhelming American middle class perspective on the evils of mass illegal immigration matters not a whit to the Mandarins whose only concerns on that issue center on the availability of a supply of cheap labor to clean their McMansions and swimming pools.

The anti-Trump effort is being well funded, has included notable defections to the Democratic Party, has led to lists of Republican politicians who will not accept a Trump nomination or support a President Trump, and has even produced calls for a third party neo-Republican entity to run against him. Some other reactions are stupid, including Canadian neocon Mark Dubowitz of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, calling for even more immigrants to the U.S., while talk radio extremist Glenn Beck has tweeted that if he had a knife and were able to get close to Trump he would have to keep on stabbing him.

To be sure, Trump has provided considerable fuel for the fire through his extraordinary ad libs about banning Muslims from the U.S., killing the families of terrorists and using torture. But mainstream politicians have already recommended and even done that much and more without the level of censure that Trump is receiving. Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush have engaged in widespread killing of civilians, torture and assassinating families of suspected militants, to include American citizens, without any of the invective being leveled at Trump.

Indeed, Trump would appear to have a more sensible foreign policy in mind, consisting of avoiding unnecessary wars and “regime changes,” honoring the multilateral negotiated agreement with Iran, engaging diplomatically even with heads of state that we consider to be adversaries and encouraging Russia to fight ISIS. His three current opponents have recommended “carpet bombing” areas controlled by ISIS, fusing Syrian sand into nuclear radiating glass, provoking wars with both Russia and China, arming Ukraine, punching Vladimir Putin in the nose and sending in thousands of American soldiers to the Middle East. They are not in the least bothered by fattening up the already fat national security state with trillions more dollars while domestic needs go unaddressed. So who is the crazy one?

But there is one significant difference between Trump and the “establishment,” be they Democrats or Republicans that has not been highlighted. I would suggest that quite a lot of the depth and intensity of what we are experiencing is actually about Israel. Trump is the first high level politician aspirant within living memory to challenge the notion that the United States must stand by Israel no matter what Israel does. Even while affirming his affection for Israel, he has said that Washington must be even handed in its efforts to bring about peace between Israelis and Palestinians, implying that Tel Aviv might have to make concessions.

Trump has also added insult to injury by delinking himself from the blandishments of Jewish political mega-donors, who largely call the tune for many in the GOP and among the Democrats, by telling them he doesn’t need their money and can’t be bought. His comments have challenged conventional interest group politicking in American and have predictably produced a firestorm reaction in the usual circles. Robert Kagan announced that he would be supporting Hillary, who famously has declared that she would immediately call Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu upon taking office as a first step in moving the relationship with Tel Aviv to “the next level.” It is to be presumed that Kagan and his fellow neocons will be experiencing a welcoming vibe from at least some of the Democrats as the neoconservatives have always been liberals at heart on nearly all issues except foreign policy, rooted by them in the “unshakable and bipartisan bond” with Israel.

It is my opinion that the “I” word should be banned from American political discourse. Ironically, many American Jews are themselves uneasy about the place occupied by Israel in ongoing political debates, recognizing that it is both unhealthy in a democracy and reflective only of the extreme views of the hardline members of their own diaspora community. It is also unpleasantly all about Jews and money since the Republicans and other mouthpieces now piling on Trump are motivated largely by their own sinecures and the Sheldon Adelson type donations that might be forthcoming to the politically savvy candidates who say the right things about the conflict in the Middle East.

Slate’s Isaac Chotiner has noted a particularly odd speech by Senator Marco Rubio in which he spoke of his single electoral triumph in Minnesota before immediately jumping to the issue of Israel, as if on cue or by rote. It is a tendency that is not unique to him. I read through the transcript of the GOP debate that preceded Rubio’s sole victory, which in part reflected a competition to see who could promise to do most for Israel. Senator Ted Cruz stated that he “would stand unapologetically with the nation of Israel…and the alliance with Israel.” Governor John Kasich declared that he’s “been a supporter of Israel – a strong supporter of Israel longer than anyone on this stage.” Senator Marco Rubio indicated that “I will be on Israel’s side every single day because they are the only pro-American, free enterprise democracy in the entire Middle East.” Ben Carson called Israel not only a strategic partner but also an element in America’s “Judeo Christian foundation” that can never be rejected.

Quite a few assertions about Israel made by politicians are, of course, nonsense. It is not in alliance with the United States and is not a democracy for starters, but the real question becomes why is Israel part of the debate at all? It is because of concerns that the deep pocketed donors like Sheldon Adelson will join his good friend Haim Saban in funding Hillary if candidates do not say what he expects to hear. Saban has referred to Trump as a “clown” and attacked him because he would be “dangerous for Israel.”

And then there is the recent attack of the Beltway Midgets, a “a strongly worded letter” orchestrated by Eliot Cohen, a former Condoleezza Rice State Department appointee whose attachment to Israel might well be regarded as demented, that attracted the signatures of more than one hundred self-described GOP foreign policy “leaders,” declaring that “We are unable to support a party ticket with Mr. Trump at its head.” Quite a few of the signatories are well known neocons, including Max Boot, Robert Zoellick, Michael Chertoff, Eric Edelman, Reuel Marc Gerecht, Daniel Pipes, Michael Rubin, Kori Schake, Randy Scheunemann, Gary Schmitt, Ray Takeyh and Philip Zelikow. Boot has vilified Trump as “emerging as the number one threat to American security.” All the signatories were passionate supporters of the Iraq War, which Trump has correctly disparaged as a catastrophic foreign policy failure, and all of them are describable as strong supporters of Israel.

The friends of Benjamin Netanyahu in the United States rightly fear that someday the American people and government will come to their senses and regard Israel as just another friendly foreign state, without any “special relationship” attached. To counter that possibility, the lashing out against any public figure who dares to criticize Israel is both immediate and visceral. Note, for example, the fate of former President Jimmy Carter who was virtually excommunicated by the Democratic Party after he condemned Israeli treatment of the Palestinians.

But what the neocon subset of Israel’s powerful lobby fears most is something quite different – becoming irrelevant. They have weathered being wrong about nearly everything but what they particularly fear is finding themselves without a major political party whose foreign policy they can manipulate because that would cut off their funding from defense contractors and pro-Israel zealots. They will have to give up the emoluments that they have accumulated since hijacking the GOP under Ronald Reagan. They might have to abandon their corner offices and secretaries and could even have to find real jobs. And what would the Sunday morning talk shows be like without the Cheshire cat grin of Bill Kristol?

The end of the hypocrisy driven neocon ascendancy in foreign policy will be welcomed by many. Dan McAdams of the Ron Paul Institute has described the Trump hating neocons as “…soft skinned and well-perfumed keyboard warriors who eagerly send America’s sons and daughters to be slaughtered in wars that achieve nothing but the ascendance of new ‘bad guys’ used to justify ever more wars. And all of it pays very nicely for them.” Exactly.

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No US president can take neutral stance when it comes to Israeli affair...not in next 30 years, Congress & Senate makes it impossible, if you are not pro-occupation...you can't survive US politics let alone become a top politician..remember US presidents come and go..but these senators and congressmen stays in a circle and ensures the constant Pro-occupation stance.

I'm all in for Trump.......................he is business man and a very bad one:lol:....just imagine a US president ...who is considered a bad comedian,:sarcastic:negotiating with Putin.:chilli: Let's make America White Again!:dance3::dance3::dance3:



No US president can take neutral stance when it comes to Israeli affair...not in next 30 years, Congress & Senate makes it impossible, if you are not pro-occupation...you can't survive US politics let alone become a top politician..remember US presidents come and go..but these senators and congressmen stays in a circle and insures the constant Pro-occupation stance.

And Obama was the best chance Palestine had after JFK...you can guess how anxiously Jews worldwide are waiting for Obama to Leave Oval Office...no matter who (from remaining candidates) comes next...it's going to turn ugly for Palestinians!:smokin:
 
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@Desert Fox

Trump seems indifferent about Israel, even so, the Pentagon/Congress will still support it as long as long as congressmen get lobby money for those purposes. And US is about to sign a new 10 year aid package for Israel. The interesting thing about Trump is he is in some ways a white nationalist, and the loyal base he has seeks a White Christian resurgence in America, that will put power in hands of them by taking it away from the Jews. Which is what's scaring some people, they are worried the influential Jewish establishment will face pressure or be broken by popular pro-white sentiment. Hence it's even less about Israel, but more about possible friction between whites and jews.
 
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@Desert Fox

Trump seems indifferent about Israel, even so, the Pentagon/Congress will still support it as long as long as congressmen get lobby money for those purposes. And US is about to sign a new 10 year aid package for Israel. The interesting thing about Trump is he is in some ways a white nationalist, and the loyal base he has seeks a White Christian resurgence in America, that will put power in hands of them by taking it away from the Jews. Which is what's scaring some people, they are worried the influential Jewish establishment will face pressure or be broken by popular pro-white sentiment. Hence it's even less about Israel, but more about possible friction between whites and jews.
You're right as i too came to the same conclusion and i believe that Trump is the Zionist lobby's way of conceding to the rising White Nationalist sentiment among White Americans (which became too difficult to ignore) and patriotic sentiments among non-White Americans. Rather than losing it all completely the pro-Israeli lobby has given in to a middle path by allowing a semi-White nationalist leaning Politician like Trump get this far in the Presidential race, possibly get into the White house too.

Trump seems indifferent about Israel, even so, the Pentagon/Congress will still support it as long as long as congressmen get lobby money for those purposes. And US is about to sign a new 10 year aid package for Israel.

True, which is why i am skeptical about Trump's promises of neutrality in Israeli-Palestinian conflict. So far he is making promises, some of which i feel like he will not able able to keep.
 
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You're right as i too came to the same conclusion and i believe that Trump is the Zionist lobby's way of conceding to the rising White Nationalist sentiment among White Americans (which became too difficult to ignore) and patriotic sentiments among non-White Americans. Rather than losing it all completely the pro-Israeli lobby has given in to a middle path by allowing a semi-White nationalist leaning Politician like Trump get this far in the Presidential race, possibly get into the White house too.



True, which is why i am skeptical about Trump's promises of neutrality in Israeli-Palestinian conflict. So far he is making promises, some of which i feel like he will not able able to keep.

The Israeli angle is not in his hands. I believe Trump was unintended consequence which they are now trying to infiltrate and go slightly their way to avoid consequences from themselves. It all depends on what the populace seeks, if the populace realizes the lobby's attempt to regulate his momentum and have him at least be pro-Israel, they will either have no problem with it or rebel for an larger overall agenda of overthrowing the establishment. If Trump is smart, he'd know that they are allowing them a voice, but behind the scenes, the anti-white/pro-Israel agendas shall continue even if they put the brakes on it for a little bit. The white nationalists understand all of this, they need to influence the direction of events before the pro-Israel lobby does.
 
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it not that jews are just rich that counts. They select thier candidates especially one with dark history. They make execellent loyal subjects especiall if they like kids or affair then you just show video and say you know the score isreal first. set, trap, blackmail. thier are many levels but i give a few

banks, rothschild is daddy rest are offspring.
industrilaist, - whatever a american invented is now owned by these think imf loan but comes as infrastructure like power station.
bussinessman/corporation, coca cola, walmart, nike etc
media conglaramates, - -fox news bbc/ msnbc
book publishers and press - anti arab rethric they own people like salman rushide or geet werlders

universitiies they fund.
They own hudson institute just like one in uk tavistock institue and will teach the subjects, what to think you know gay rights and accuse contries of atrcities even though behind scenes america supported it.

hollywood - propagdanda and have known to work with military to give fake perception or predictive programing.

round table discussion this where big boys with secret connections and to poltucians come to play.

if you make movie exposing them you a are a traget like mustapha akkad.

truth is arabs can get out of this mess and change world opnion by investing some money in universitis, build your own movie industry and books, news station and net, radio, news paper get the printing press going. then go international by joining up with other antizion countries. do it from religious angle you got them especially if you mention jesus throw out money lenders. exposing usuury of zionist jews and bolsaveik exposure.

jews work on ethnic clan they only hire thier own. they jst change thier names to blend in.

sory bout bad spell not working.
 
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