Hate Speech in a Secular State

[gubbi]

Dude you are jumping the gun.I was commenting on different issue.Read previous posts.

Actually I was agreeing with you.

Inciting violence is not protected by hate speech. more over, Indian freedom of speech is not as absolute as the western ones, for the right reasons.

India's freedon of speech right is not absolute. This is the section Varun Gandhi was booked and was taken into custody. The MLA should be dealth with under this code as well.

Section 505(2) in The Indian Penal Code, 1860
(2) 2[ Statements creating or promoting enmity, hatred or ill- will between classes.-- Whoever makes, publishes or circulates any statement or report containing rumour or alarming news with intent to create or promote, or which is likely to create or promote, on grounds of religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, caste or community or any other ground whatsoever, feelings of enmity, hatred or ill- will between different religious, racial, language or regional groups or castes or communities, shall be punished with imprisonment which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.

Of course, you are both right. I was just referring to some inane posts made by certain members here on the forum. And although the MLA's hate speech can be 'defended' under Freedom of Speech rights, under the IPC, instigating violence or insulting 'religious feelings' of any people is an offence, as you both rightly pointed out.

Sometimes I wonder whether people so strongly influenced by religion, those that go to any extent and condone abuse of people following other faiths, should ever enjoy certain freedoms - including freedom of speech?

 

[Screambowl]

Actually I was agreeing with you.





Of course, you are both right. I was just referring to some inane posts made by certain members here on the forum. And although the MLA's hate speech can be 'defended' under Freedom of Speech rights, under the IPC, instigating violence or insulting 'religious feelings' of any people is an offence, as you both rightly pointed out.

no it cannot be defended at all under any law or act not even freedom of speech because he is compelled also to perform duty of a citizen

Freedom of speech and expression, which enable an individual to participate in public activities. The phrase, "freedom of press" has not been used in Article 19, but freedom of expression includes freedom of press. Reasonable restrictions can be imposed in the interest of public order, security of State, decency or morality.

Section 506 in The Indian Penal Code, 1860
506. Punishment for criminal intimidation.-- Whoever commits the offense of criminal intimidation shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years, or with fine, or with both; If threat be to cause death or grievous hurt, etc. If threat be to cause death or grievous hurt, etc.-- and if the threat be to cause death or grievous hurt, or to cause the destruction of any property by fire, or to cause an offense punishable with death or 3[ imprisonment for life], of with imprisonment for a term which may extend to seven years, or to impute unchastity to a woman, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to seven years, or with fine, or with both.

 

[Puchtoon]

These are few mullah who head muslims these day

abu azmi : wants partition of india if islam is attacked
akbar owaisi :he will kill all Hindus if police is kept out for 15 minutes
assad owaisi : if bangladeshi were sent out , Muslims can become terrorist
azam khan : mother india is a witch

@ pak is tanis

Varun gandhi episode was shown by pak media in full limelight , any channel reported this ?

 

[Icewolf]

These are few mullah who head muslims these day

abu azmi : wants partition of india if islam is attacked
akbar owaisi :he will kill all Hindus if police is kept out for 15 minutes
assad owaisi : if bangladeshi were sent out , Muslims can become terrorist
azam khan : mother india is a witch

@ pak is tanis

Varun gandhi episode was shown by pak media in full limelight , any channel reported this ?

y ur *** burning


indian muslims just want equality

 

[jbond197]

People like this only survive with religious intolerance..

Its their need to grow enmity between Hindus and Muslims, so that he can become a savior of Muslims and unite their vote bank..


These kind of people should not be allowed to contest in any election..

Should be put in a jail which have lot of Hindus

Let him show his strength there..

What strength are you talking about? This idiot ran with his tails between the legs to London as soon as he came to know about this video going viral..

 

[KS]

Bjarangi confessed to murdering Muslims.

What part of "He is rotting away in prison" or " he did not hold any constitutional post" did you not understand..?

 

[jbond197]

He speaks like some leader in gujarat....
So many RSS bajrangi also has done the same thing.
How could you forget Varun Gandhi hate speach?

Such kind of people exists in both sides...

Here comes the defender. Babu bajrangi is rotting in jail. Varun Gandhi was shown jail for hate speach more over it costed him his political career as well.. But yes I agree with you, this guy being a Muslim has all the rights to say $hit about Ram, Lakshmi and other Hindu gods, he has all the rights telling how he the superhero of Hyderabad is going to kill Hindus all over the India.. I am sure people like you will join his ranks and then cry victimization when an appropriate action is taken..

 

[Icewolf]

muslims want proper representation in india. if they dont get it they will protests

 

[jbond197]

And what's you all people's role model ?

Is it Osama?

 

[Icewolf]

Here comes the defender. Babu bajrangi is rotting in jail. Varun Gandhi was shown jail for hate speach more over it costed him his political career as well.. But yes I agree with you, this guy being a Muslim has all the rights to say $hit about Ram, Lakshmi and other Hindu gods, he has all the rights telling how he the superhero of Hyderabad is going to kill Hindus all over the India.. I am sure people like you will join his ranks and then cry victimization when an appropriate action is taken..

hes just petitioning for equal rights. the HINDU extremist govt is spreading propoganda against him

remember the bomb blasts in india 2 years ago in a mosque.
it was blamed on passing muslim students.
a week ago it was found out that a HINDU extremist had done it

 

[KRAIT]

y ur *** burning
indian muslims just want equality

Killing Hindus and turning into terrorists for deporting illegal BD is called voice for equality ?

Owasi is a RAW agent asked to say these words so that Hindus can oppress Muslims in Hyderabad.
Now build a conspiracy theory on this line I provided.

 

[KS]

Here comes the defender. Babu bajrangi is rotting in jail. Varun Gandhi was shown jail for hate speach more over it costed him his political career as well.. But yes I agree with you, this guy being a Muslim has all the rights to say $hit about Ram, Lakshmi and other Hindu gods, he has all the rights telling how he the superhero of Hyderabad is going to kill Hindus all over the India.. I am sure people like you will join his ranks and then cry victimization when an appropriate action is taken..

There will be plenty...remember Owaisi just gives the audience what they want..


@doublemaster - remember what happened in Guj when police were allegedly (according to you guys) were removed for two days..this Owaisi is asking the same for you...actually I dont care..but just dont play victim after that.

 

[KRAIT]

hes just petitioning for equal rights. the HINDU extremist govt is spreading propoganda against him
remember the bomb blasts in india 2 years ago in a mosque.
it was blamed on passing muslim students.
a week ago it was found out that a HINDU extremist had done it

Remember 4 years ago Kasab came and told that they were trained by ISI. This is what India found out. Will you accept this ?

 

[Icewolf]

Killing Hindus and turning into terrorists for deporting illegal BD is called voice for equality ?

Owasi is a RAW agent asked to say these words so that Hindus can oppress Muslims in Hyderabad.
Now build a conspiracy theory on this line I provided.

remember 1947 and 1991... they also had brothers who were killed by hindu extremists.

now we have all forgiven 1947 let by gones be by gones. but Shiv Sena does active discrimination against muslims.. do u expect these ppl to stay silent?

 

[jbond197]

Killing Hindus and turning into terrorists for deporting illegal BD is called voice for equality ?

Owasi is a RAW agent asked to say these words so that Hindus can oppress Muslims in Hyderabad.
Now build a conspiracy theory on this line I provided.

Yes as per Pakistani education. Don't you know they have different standards!!